Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

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The Pounceys are playmakers. The difference Maurkice made at the pivot this year is unmistakable. A rookie Pro Bowl o-lineman? Enough said. Getting his brother would not only mean instant chemistry from day one, but it would also give us the ability to convert our run game from a predominantly right-handed attack to a balanced attack that keeps the opposing defense off-guard. Although Kemoeatu appears to have rocks between his ears at times, he is effective pulling from left to right and blowing up a LB in the hole, giving Mendenhall room to run. The problem is, with our never-ending string of mediocre RG's in the past several seasons (Foster, Essex, Stapleton, etc.), we did not have a guy who could do the opposite (pull effectively from right to left). Getting Mike Pouncey would give us that ability. It would take a predictable run game, and make it unpredictable once again. Getting him would allow us to make more plays. That's a playmaker.

I think Pouncey will be gone and I wouldn't burn the picks to trade up.

As my Mock indicates I like Marcus Cannon from TCU. Huge player (6'5" 340lbs) who played OT in college and could start as OG in NFL and has OT potential. He is one of those guys who may not get a Round 1 grade but won't be available when we pick in Round 2.

So overdraft a 2nd round OT on need who may have to move to G? Has no pulling ability, struggles in space & 2nd level, and isn't physically dominant for his size. Hmm...You won't trade up and use a 3rd to get an elite player and highest rated at his position but you will use your 1st on a 2nd rounder who may not have a position in the NFL. That's priceless! Is this Tom Danahoe? Lol

[Oviedo]

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The Pounceys are playmakers. The difference Maurkice made at the pivot this year is unmistakable. A rookie Pro Bowl o-lineman? Enough said. Getting his brother would not only mean instant chemistry from day one, but it would also give us the ability to convert our run game from a predominantly right-handed attack to a balanced attack that keeps the opposing defense off-guard. Although Kemoeatu appears to have rocks between his ears at times, he is effective pulling from left to right and blowing up a LB in the hole, giving Mendenhall room to run. The problem is, with our never-ending string of mediocre RG's in the past several seasons (Foster, Essex, Stapleton, etc.), we did not have a guy who could do the opposite (pull effectively from right to left). Getting Mike Pouncey would give us that ability. It would take a predictable run game, and make it unpredictable once again. Getting him would allow us to make more plays. That's a playmaker.

I think Pouncey will be gone and I wouldn't burn the picks to trade up.

As my Mock indicates I like Marcus Cannon from TCU. Huge player (6'5" 340lbs) who played OT in college and could start as OG in NFL and has OT potential. He is one of those guys who may not get a Round 1 grade but won't be available when we pick in Round 2.

So overdraft a 2nd round OT on need who may have to move to G? Has no pulling ability, struggles in space & 2nd level, and isn't physically dominant for his size. Hmm...You won't trade up and use a 3rd to can an elite player and highest rated at his position but you will use your 1st on a 2nd rounder who may not have a position in the NFL. That's priceless! Is this Tom Danahoe?

Cannon is supposedly one of the best athletes on the TCU team. Let's see what he does at the Combine before we characterize him as a immobile block of concrete.

Its not what you get trading up its what you don't get for the pick you lose, especially a value pick like a third rounder. That could be the player that helps on the DL or a depserately needed DB.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Cannon is supposedly one of the best athletes on the TCU team. Let's see what he does at the Combine before we characterize him as a immobile block of concrete.

Its not what you get trading up its what you don't get for the pick you lose, especially a value pick like a third rounder. That could be the player that helps on the DL or a depserately needed DB.

First, I would be ok with him in the 2nd if we go CB round 1. But your logic of not using a 3rd to get an elite player in Pouncey but staying put to overdraft a 2nd round talent just because we need a G and he may not be there in the 2nd? I'm losing faith in ya O!

I gave you a list of those "value picks" you covet. It is over a 2 to 1 margin of busts or underachievers in the 3rd for the Steelers since 2000. You don't need a combine to see he struggles with change of direction. Watch some TCU highlights. He struggles with speed on the outside. Struggles to hit his target and stay with him on 2nd level. No real tape on this guy in game to evaluate him pulling and trapping form the G position. We have some Gs like that now in Foster, Essex, and C Scott. Now, maybe coaching and better conditioning can change that but not a 1st rounder. There is a whole hell of alot more to be a productive OL in the NFL. Tony Hills was regarded as one of the best athletes because he came to Texas as one of the Top TEs in the country. He has been active for 4 games in his three year career and more than likely, won't be retained. I'm not totally down on Cannon...But definately not in the 1st from what I have seen.

[Oviedo]

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Sports Illustrated has Pouncey II rated as 48th best prospect. The key is that many do not view him as good as his brother which is why Pouncey I came out last year and Pouncey II didn't. Even thought they are twins they are individuals and the performance of one is not a guarantee on the performance of the other.

4 Michael Pouncey/G/Florida: Though not as gifted as his brother Maukrice, first-round pick of the Steelers last April, Michael is still legitimate starting material in the NFL.



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Sports Illustrated has Pouncey II rated as 48th best prospect. The key is that many do not view him as good as his brother which is why Pouncey I came out last year and Pouncey II didn't. Even thought they are twins they are individuals and the performance of one is not a guarantee on the performance of the other.

4 Michael Pouncey/G/Florida: Though not as gifted as his brother Maukrice, first-round pick of the Steelers last April, Michael is still legitimate starting material in the NFL.



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Nobody said he was as good as his brother. Mayock has him as the Top Interior OL. Mayock also said before this is all said and done...He could be in his Top 25. If he played in the Senior Bowl...He would have been. Even with Watkins performance at Senior Bowl...Still had Pouncey higher. SI has Watkins higher and there is no way he will go ahead of Pouncey just because of his age. Did you also notice that you 1st round pick Cannon wasn't on that list? Why didn't you mention that?

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I don't like Bucky Brooks but he has Pouncey at #18 already.




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CBS has Pouncey at #32

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And here's Mayock by position:


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And if you analize this list...Mayock already has him in the Top 25.

[Oviedo]

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And here's Mayock by position:


[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dd8ff0/article/underclassmen-prevalent-among-top-five-per-position"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... r-position[/url]


And if you analize this list...Mayock already has him in the Top 25.

If he really is top 25 and the league views him that way all the discussion is moot because he will be gone and we won't draft him.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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And here's Mayock by position:


[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dd8ff0/article/underclassmen-prevalent-among-top-five-per-position"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... r-position[/url]


And if you analize this list...Mayock already has him in the Top 25.

If he really is top 25 and the league views him that way all the discussion is moot because he will be gone and we won't draft him.

But our 1st & 3rd can get you to #25 and add a 5th...maybe #24. So that was the discussion. So he is in reach if we want him. You don't think he is worth a 3rd to get him...I do. Seems alot of us share both of our opinions. We have only two months to get the answer...Yuck!

[Oviedo]

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And if you analize this list...Mayock already has him in the Top 25.

If he really is top 25 and the league views him that way all the discussion is moot because he will be gone and we won't draft him.

But our 1st & 3rd can get you to #25 and add a 5th...maybe #24. So that was the discussion. So he is in reach if we want him. You don't think he is worth a 3rd to get him...I do. Seems alot of us share both of our opinions. We have only two months to get the answer...Yuck![/quote:1d5ntizh]

I would not make that trade but they don't ask me. I think 3rd Round picks have value, see Wallace and Sanders.

Let me put it this way. Last year we used a Round 1 pick on Pouncey I and he proved to be a Pro Bowl player. Now some are suggesting we use a Round 1 AND Round 3 on Pouncey II who by all accounts is not as good or dominant a player as his brother.

Does that make sense in anyone's world? You use one pick for a Pro Bowl player and two picks for someone who is evaluated as having less ability. Duh

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And if you analize this list...Mayock already has him in the Top 25.

If he really is top 25 and the league views him that way all the discussion is moot because he will be gone and we won't draft him.

But our 1st & 3rd can get you to #25 and add a 5th...maybe #24. So that was the discussion. So he is in reach if we want him. You don't think he is worth a 3rd to get him...I do. Seems alot of us share both of our opinions. We have only two months to get the answer...Yuck!

I would not make that trade but they don't ask me. I think 3rd Round picks have value, see Wallace and Sanders.

Let me put it this way. Last year we used a Round 1 pick on Pouncey I and he proved to be a Pro Bowl player. Now some are suggesting we use a Round 1 AND Round 3 on Pouncey II who by all accounts is not as good or dominant a player as his brother.

Does that make sense in anyone's world? You use one pick for a Pro Bowl player and two picks for someone who is evaluated as having less ability. Duh [/quote:ekol0s72]


Yeah, but for every Wallace & Sanders I could give 2.5 3rd rounders that were busts or disappointments. So odds are since 2000 no very good. 4 end up being starters while 10 end up unemployed or bench warmers.

Kraig Urbik
Kennan Lewis
Bruce Davis
Matt Spaeth
Anthony Smith
Willie Reid
Trai Essex
Kendrick Clany
Hank Poteat
Amos Zeroue

Wouldn't trade these guys in:
Chris Hope
Max Starks
Mike Wallace
Manny Sanders

I know you aren't that dumb O to use that logic. You are a bright guy. Last year we picked 18th and this year 31st. The drop off in talent in the 1st is high...That's obvious. To say we sat at #18 and got a rookie Pro Bowl center and compare that to Using our 1st & 3rd to move up from #31 to #25 to get a player who is not as good as the player we got at #18 has no merrit.

Listen, we have different opinions...So be it. Steelers need a starting RG and the best RG in the draft might require a 1st & 3rd to get him. He will be on the field as the starter day 1. We need another starting CB. We could possibly get the 3rd, 4th, or 5th best CB in the draft if we sit and wait to pick at #31. However, chances are he won't be starting until mid-season if at all. More than likely, he will be the nickel back in 2011. Stranger things have happened...He could start. Hope he isn't a bust! But this is a 1st rounder and there could be a sure thing at a position of need right in front of you if you pick up the phone. One thing that could happen is the top 5 CBs are gone, all the OT are gone, Taylor is gone, Pouncey is gone, and we can't trade back. BPA I'm sure another WR or RB will come in handy in 2011. That's my feeling.

[birtikidis]

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as a center Mike Pouncey wouldn't be worth a 1st round pick. As a guard he is. Trading up for him would not be a mistake.
drafting a tackle to play guard would be. even if in the 2nd.

[grotonsteel]

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Listen, we have different opinions...So be it. Steelers need a starting RG and the best RG in the draft might require a 1st & 3rd to get him. He will be on the field as the starter day 1. We need another starting CB. We could possibly get the 3rd, 4th, or 5th best CB in the draft if we sit and wait to pick at #31. However, chances are he won't be starting until mid-season if at all. More than likely, he will be the nickel back in 2011. Stranger things have happened...He could start. Hope he isn't a bust! But this is a 1st rounder and there could be a sure thing at a position of need right in front of you if you pick up the phone. One thing that could happen is the top 5 CBs are gone, all the OT are gone, Taylor is gone, Pouncey is gone, and we can't trade back. BPA I'm sure another WR or RB will come in handy in 2011. That's my feeling.

Do Steelers really need a starting RG so bad?? I don't think Ramon Foster was the worst starting O-lineman for Steelers. Team has more pressing needs than a RG.

Now if Pouncey can replace Kemo day 1 i am all for trading up. But you don't trade up for a pure RG no matter what especially for a position which could be easily filled by 3-4th Rd draft pick.You don't trade picks when picks are premium. Steelers have too many needs. If Pouncey is the BPA at 31 draft him but don't trade up for a RG. I have not seen any team trade up to draft a pure RG.

Steelers need an upgrade over BMac, William Gay, Anthony Madison and keenan Lewis if they want to win SB again. Either they do it through FA or draft a Rd 1-2-3 pick. There is no one in the team who can take place for these mediocre DBs.

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Do Steelers really need a starting RG so bad?? I don't think Ramon Foster was the worst starting O-lineman for Steelers. Team has more pressing needs than a RG.

Now if Pouncey can replace Kemo day 1 i am all for trading up. But you don't trade up for a pure RG no matter what especially for a position which could be easily filled by 3-4th Rd draft pick.You don't trade picks when picks are premium. Steelers have too many needs. If Pouncey is the BPA at 31 draft him but don't trade up for a RG. I have not seen any team trade up to draft a pure RG.

Steelers need an upgrade over BMac, William Gay, Anthony Madison and keenan Lewis if they want to win SB again. Either they do it through FA or draft a Rd 1-2-3 pick. There is no one in the team who can take place for these mediocre DBs.

RG is as big a need as CB. Foster was simply serviceable. If you can watch a football game and understand what is going on when the offense is on the field...You know the Steelers are hurting not having a RG who is capable of pulling, capable of getting to the 2nd level against a 3-4, and capable of getting to a defender in space. The Steelers are a right handed offense and some of you show you are incapable of understanding what that does to a DC game plan week in and week out. That RG is not on this team.

What are these prssing needs? RG & CB are the pressing needs for 2011. Real simple.

Kemo is one of the reasons this team has the success in the run game. Mental lapse & bone head plays aside...He is a complete G. Hate him all you want..The guy can pull and get to thesecond level. Kemo isn't going anywhere.

"Picks are premium" Were you screaming that when the traded up for Troy & Santonio? Read back through the posts. Steelers are n the same situation they were when they moved up for them. The premium on this "RG" is as big as an OT. We are not trading up for a punter. Talking about trading up at the highest rated guy at his position. A complete OL....An athlete...A football player...A difference maker on the OL just like his brother.

We have seen how well your "easily filled 3rd & 4th round picks" have gone. Look at the wonderful list of 3rd rounders I posted since 2000. For every starter you get 3 busts. Yep...Save our 3rd and take the #3-#5 rated CB who could be a bust, or a nickel back, but won't start and help for 2011...And then save that 3rd to take a G who might start in 2 years or play out his rookie contract from the bench. Good plan.

I agree with the upgrade at CB. I want to bring in that 2nd tier FA and draft a CB in Rd2. Lewis, Butler, & Warren are still in process. We don't know what we have. We know what we have in McFadden, Gay, & Madison so we could move in.

Be honest. Last year was a unique draft. Give credit that almost all of them made the team. But this team just lost the SB and the roster is talented & limited. There will no be a big turnover...It isn't done that way. The ratio of drafted players that start or remain on the team is small. Every year fans want 10 picks to put on the roster with guys in the 6th & 7th starting year one. Reality check. Get a couple starters out of your draft class...Success. Get some rotation guys that could be serviceable over the years.

2010- 8/10 on roster. (Looks there could be 3-4 starters)
2009- 5/9 on roster (2-3 Starters)
2008- 5/7 on roster (1 Starter)
2007- 5/8 on roster (2 Starters-1 ST)
2006- 1/9 on roster (1 Starter) *Holmes would be +1
2005- 4/8 on roster (3 Starters)
2004- 2/8 on roster (2 Starters)

Drafts yield 2-3 starters. Steelers have been dead on since 2000 with their 1st round picks. All have started. 4 of 14 3rd rounders since 2000 turned out or look to be starters. Those kind of numbers...I'm giving up a 3rd to get the closest thing to Faneca this team has had at the G position. Just kicking in a 3rd to move up will seem criminal when you realize in 2011 that for some reason....The entire offense & OL just got better with the addition of a complete RG. I hope the proof to my logic will simply be on the TV in front of all of you when they show BB walking to the LOS from behind and you see Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Pouncey, Adams written across their backs.