Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

[papillon]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

An offensive line and defensive line have to work together, move together, read the defense together, hold contain together, maintain discipline and that's what a coach can do to make average players look better than they are, see Sean Kugler this year.

Look how many times you used to the word together here.

Well, Maurkice and Mike have lived together, played Pop Warner together, played in high school together, and played in college together.

So not only would you be getting the guy who is the consensus top interior lineman (and I'd argue the most "sure-thing" of any OL in this draft, including top tackles such as Carimi, Costanzo, Sherrod, Smith, and Solder), but you'd have that instant chemistry of knowing how to work together from day one. That's huge. Mike Pouncey would be worth more to us than any other team because of that.

I still wouldn't move up in the draft for an offensive guard, together with his brother or not. Five men are needed to make a cohesive unit, the better the athletes the better the line, but Kugler proved this year that you can remove your two tackles, replace a center and play musical chairs at guard and be successful. I would rather they diudn't have to do that, but they did and it worked. At 1.31 I'd love for the Steelers to take Pouncey II, it's value and will help fill a need. Giving up a 3rd round pick to put the two brothers "together" I wouldn't do, I believe that Heyward, Pouncey, Harris, or Moore will be available at 1.31 and the Steelers keep their 3rd round pick.

I just don't see that moving up gains the Steelers so much that they have to give up a pick to get it. They are going to get help (potentially) at a position of need with an outstanding football player, we just don't know who.

The Steelers had arguably the best guard in the game and let him walk and have been to the Super Bowl twice. The Steelers do something right with their offensive linemen that other teams don't or can't do; I'm not sure what it is, but they do it. They do not need to give up a pick to get a guard/center/tackle, of course, Pouncey does bring that flexibility that Tomlin loves to the table.

Pappy

[Oviedo]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

An offensive line and defensive line have to work together, move together, read the defense together, hold contain together, maintain discipline and that's what a coach can do to make average players look better than they are, see Sean Kugler this year.

Look how many times you used to the word together here.

Well, Maurkice and Mike have lived together, played Pop Warner together, played in high school together, and played in college together.

So not only would you be getting the guy who is the consensus top interior lineman (and I'd argue the most "sure-thing" of any OL in this draft, including top tackles such as Carimi, Costanzo, Sherrod, Smith, and Solder), but you'd have that instant chemistry of knowing how to work together from day one. That's huge. Mike Pouncey would be worth more to us than any other team because of that.

I still wouldn't move up in the draft for an offensive guard, together with his brother or not. Five men are needed to make a cohesive unit, the better the athletes the better the line, but Kugler proved this year that you can remove your two tackles, replace a center and play musical chairs at guard and be successful. I would rather they diudn't have to do that, but they did and it worked. At 1.31 I'd love for the Steelers to take Pouncey II, it's value and will help fill a need. Giving up a 3rd round pick to put the two brothers "together" I wouldn't do, I believe that Heyward, Pouncey, Harris, or Moore will be available at 1.31 and the Steelers keep their 3rd round pick.

I just don't see that moving up gains the Steelers so much that they have to give up a pick to get it. They are going to get help (potentially) at a position of need with an outstanding football player, we just don't know who.

The Steelers had arguably the best guard in the game and let him walk and have been to the Super Bowl twice. The Steelers do something right with their offensive linemen that other teams don't or can't do; I'm not sure what it is, but they do it. They do not need to give up a pick to get a guard/center/tackle, of course, Pouncey does bring that flexibility that Tomlin loves to the table.

Pappy

Still agreeing with you!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess it is just a "great minds" thing

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

Kemo can pull and go to second level but how many blocks he makes while doing that??? Once every game??? More often than not he is blocking no one. Kemo was abused one-on-one. Kemo is pathetic in pass-protection. I am looking for OG/OT who are not road graders but athletic, great pass blockers and have some brains. Maurkice Pouncey is exactly that kind of a C.

J Scott and Kemo were the worst starting O-lineman on Steelers O-line.Well atleast J Scott improved as games went by.

Alan Faneca is a LG. Again if Mike Pouncey can replace a LG i am all for giving up a 3rd rd pick but if Mike Pouncey is a pure RG you don't waste a 3rd pick on him. I am pretty sure Steelers FO will never do that.

How many 3rd Rd draft picks were spent on a pure OG by Steelers. Apart from Kraig Ubrik i would say none.

You must not watch many Steelers games. Kemo is very effective pulling for a trap or leading through the hole. He can hit a target in space. He has shown he is the best on the team. I really don't know what you are watching. I can remember over a dozen in teh SB alone. Typical comment of someone watching the ball during a game. Kemo had some bad games...Buffalo the biggest. He also stood out on some plays getting bull rushed. But he was a far cry from the worst OL. Pouncey was the best and honestly I would put Adams 2nd. Kemo was 3rd and a big part of the run games success. There really isn't any argument there.

And what does telling me something I already know in Faneca is a LG have to do with the conversation? We have a capable pulling LG. No RG...proven. Pouncey is anything but just a RG. You must not have watched him play with Maurkice playing next to him in 2009. He can play all interior positions. I would bet he could play RT and after we see the combine kick slide drills...He might be capable of playing LT. He is a baller and a difference maker on the OL.

Urbik was the only pure RG since 2000. Never worked out and might not ever. Essex was a 3rd round OT who was projected inside and he is a back-up. I gave a list of the 10 out of 14 3rd rounders since 2000 who were disappointments. I have no doubt the FO would have no problem using a 3rd to move up and get the highest rated interior lineman who will start day one and for the next 10 years. Again, the success of the Steelers over the years has been knowing when there roster has the talent and approach a draft with the intention of coming out of it with quality and not quantity. This team just went to the SB and just being content to sit where they are so the could come out of this draft with 7 picks is not their concern. Don't be surprised when it happens (If they can find someone to trade with). But don't worry either, by the 2nd or 3rd game you will be saying, "Good move."

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

I still wouldn't move up in the draft for an offensive guard, together with his brother or not. Five men are needed to make a cohesive unit, the better the athletes the better the line, but Kugler proved this year that you can remove your two tackles, replace a center and play musical chairs at guard and be successful. I would rather they diudn't have to do that, but they did and it worked. At 1.31 I'd love for the Steelers to take Pouncey II, it's value and will help fill a need. Giving up a 3rd round pick to put the two brothers "together" I wouldn't do, I believe that Heyward, Pouncey, Harris, or Moore will be available at 1.31 and the Steelers keep their 3rd round pick.

I just don't see that moving up gains the Steelers so much that they have to give up a pick to get it. They are going to get help (potentially) at a position of need with an outstanding football player, we just don't know who.

The Steelers had arguably the best guard in the game and let him walk and have been to the Super Bowl twice. The Steelers do something right with their offensive linemen that other teams don't or can't do; I'm not sure what it is, but they do it. They do not need to give up a pick to get a guard/center/tackle, of course, Pouncey does bring that flexibility that Tomlin loves to the table.

Pappy

I think you cloud things with the "reunite the twins" thought process. Would you move up for Iuapti if he was in this years draft?

And you said it Pap. "Five men are needed to make a cohesive unit, the better the athletes the better the line" That is reason enough right there. Steelers have 4 and he is arguably the most physically talented OL in this draft. Does that mean you are on board now too?

I saw nobody in here saying the OL was playing lights out with people going down. All I saw were people, including yourself, saying how bad Scott was, Essex, Kemo, Adams, Foster, but now everyone is Koogs is a miracle worker...We made it to the SB. We can make do...Don't give up a pick to take of the bandaid for the next 10 years and solve the problem.

Just answer me this. Did Pouncey have any impact on the play of the OL and the offense regardless of the fill ins around him? How much of an impact must he have been if the Steelers lost both starting OT and still got production? Steelers returned 19 of 22 starters for 2010 and made it to the SB while they missed the playoffs in 2009. Out with Hartwig, Holmes, & Gay. What position did that impact come if you take into account also losing both starting OT? Is that all Koogs? Hell..He deserves alot of credit for what he did. But did he turn Foster & Scott into starters? I think you under estimate the value of adding an elite OL at a position of need and the overall impact he brings to the offense because he isn't putting up yards or points. The proof was on the field until the 1st quarter of the Jets game. The way this team and roster sits right now and the way this draft looks to unfold....I don't see any other player the merits going up to get to help this team now and longterm. Opportunities like this don't come around when you are winners and pick outside the Top 20 year in and year out.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

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I'M SURE THE RAIDERS AREN'T REGRETTING TAKING THE 5TH CORNER OFF THE BOARD AT #31 IN 2003

Hey look...A voice of reason in CAPS. You do know Nnamdi Asomugha started one game his rookie year and 7 his 2nd year. It wasn't until year 3 he became a fulltime starter. That's 8 out of 32 possible games over his first two season. Yeah...We have that time...We can wait. These vets could stop aging and slowing down until our #31 CB comes around and contributes. Since 2000, CBs picked outside of the Top 25 have started 93 out of a possible 256 games their rookie years. Hmmm...Interesting. I pulled that number from the outside the Top 25 not #31. There are exceptions to the rule...Even as recent as last year. McCourty was chosen @ #27 and started 16 games. Still would need to give up a 3rd to get up there. Wilson & Robinson were picked @ #29 & #32. They started 10 out of a possible 32 games. You can say injuries but the door swings both ways on that. Robinson was injured last year but saw the starting line up because of injury to starters and got injured himself. Bottom line...Pouncey will start opening day. Our CB #31 has a very slim chance of starting opening day..If at all his rookie year. So coming off a SB loss where the team clearly needs a starting RG and a CB...You wouldn't trade up and get at least one piece of that puzzle? I can see why non of us are GM's. :P[/quote:1hzj2exb]


the caps weren't for effect. i noticed it was caps as i was about to submit and was too lazy to change it

any whoo. if you dont draft them now, do you want the same problems in the secondary 2-3 years from now?,

look at past pro bowl and all pro rosters. there are many more Guards making it to that level despite being drated later on then there are cornerbacks.

[Flasteel]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

I still wouldn't move up in the draft for an offensive guard, together with his brother or not. Five men are needed to make a cohesive unit, the better the athletes the better the line, but Kugler proved this year that you can remove your two tackles, replace a center and play musical chairs at guard and be successful. I would rather they diudn't have to do that, but they did and it worked. At 1.31 I'd love for the Steelers to take Pouncey II, it's value and will help fill a need. Giving up a 3rd round pick to put the two brothers "together" I wouldn't do, I believe that Heyward, Pouncey, Harris, or Moore will be available at 1.31 and the Steelers keep their 3rd round pick.

I just don't see that moving up gains the Steelers so much that they have to give up a pick to get it. They are going to get help (potentially) at a position of need with an outstanding football player, we just don't know who.

The Steelers had arguably the best guard in the game and let him walk and have been to the Super Bowl twice. The Steelers do something right with their offensive linemen that other teams don't or can't do; I'm not sure what it is, but they do it. They do not need to give up a pick to get a guard/center/tackle, of course, Pouncey does bring that flexibility that Tomlin loves to the table.

Pappy

I think you cloud things with the "reunite the twins" thought process. Would you move up for Iuapti if he was in this years draft?

And you said it Pap. "Five men are needed to make a cohesive unit, the better the athletes the better the line" That is reason enough right there. Steelers have 4 and he is arguably the most physically talented OL in this draft. Does that mean you are on board now too?

I saw nobody in here saying the OL was playing lights out with people going down. All I saw were people, including yourself, saying how bad Scott was, Essex, Kemo, Adams, Foster, but now everyone is Koogs is a miracle worker...We made it to the SB. We can make do...Don't give up a pick to take of the bandaid for the next 10 years and solve the problem.

Just answer me this. Did Pouncey have any impact on the play of the OL and the offense regardless of the fill ins around him? How much of an impact must he have been if the Steelers lost both starting OT and still got production? Steelers returned 19 of 22 starters for 2010 and made it to the SB while they missed the playoffs in 2009. Out with Hartwig, Holmes, & Gay. What position did that impact come if you take into account also losing both starting OT? Is that all Koogs? Hell..He deserves alot of credit for what he did. But did he turn Foster & Scott into starters? I think you under estimate the value of adding an elite OL at a position of need and the overall impact he brings to the offense because he isn't putting up yards or points. The proof was on the field until the 1st quarter of the Jets game. The way this team and roster sits right now and the way this draft looks to unfold....I don't see any other player the merits going up to get to help this team now and longterm. Opportunities like this don't come around when you are winners and pick outside the Top 20 year in and year out.

Simply beautiful JPN!

The variables I see are:
1. How high do the Steelers have Pouncey rated?
2. What are we willing to give up?
3. Who is still on the board?
4. Which team would be willing to trade down?

I still say a trade up to 29 with SD makes the most sense - if we were to do it.
We jump the Chicago Bears, who could very well take Pouncey if he was there.
It only costs us a 4th round pick.
The 29th pick is San Diego's second 1st-rounder...they might be more willing to deal and O-line is not a priority for them.

To not weigh these considerations is absurd. I can guarantee you that the Steelers have already identified players they would consider trading up for, how much they are willing to give up, and potential trade partners. If this process doesn't take place until after the combine, it will still be done. The only real question is "How much do we value Pouncey?"

I think JPN deftly showed us how an OG...this OG, is worthy of such consideration.

[Shawn]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

I'm a big fan of selecting Pouncey in the first. I would even be willing to move up a few spots to grab him. But, there is a very real possibility he won't make it past 20 let alone 29. I wouldn't move 10 spots for him that much I will say.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

I still say a trade up to 29 with SD makes the most sense - if we were to do it.
We jump the Chicago Bears, who could very well take Pouncey if he was there.
It only costs us a 4th round pick.
The 29th pick is San Diego's second 1st-rounder...they might be more willing to deal and O-line is not a priority for them.

The 29th pick is the Bears pick.

The Chargers only have one first round pick...#18.

In order to jump ahead of the Bears, you'd have to go to #28 (New England...it is their second first rounder...the Cheetahs also have two 2nd rounders, two 3rd rounders...those bastages...they also had two 4th rounders as well before trading one of them to re-acquire Deion Branch).

[Flasteel]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

I still say a trade up to 29 with SD makes the most sense - if we were to do it.
We jump the Chicago Bears, who could very well take Pouncey if he was there.
It only costs us a 4th round pick.
The 29th pick is San Diego's second 1st-rounder...they might be more willing to deal and O-line is not a priority for them.

The 29th pick is the Bears pick.

The Chargers only have one first round pick...#18.

In order to jump ahead of the Bears, you'd have to go to #28 (New England...it is their second first rounder...the Cheetahs also have two 2nd rounders, two 3rd rounders...those bastages...they also had two 4th rounders as well before trading one of them to re-acquire Deion Branch).

Dammit!!!! It happened again! I was looking at the 2nd round instead of the 1st and used it as the basis of my trade scenario. This is the second time this week (hell...maybe the third) that I have not read or processed something correctly and looked like an idiot.

...and Ruthless has busted me TWICE!!!

Trading up to 28 with the Pats definitely seems less likely than if it was SD at 29...they have almost zero reason to accommodate us (although they do seem to be addicted to draft picks). The Pats O-line is also in flux and may want to snag Pouncey, if he's there.

Thanks to the clarity provided by Ruthless, it looks like we would have to be willing to part with a 3rd round pick to get Pouncey (or multiple picks). I don't like that. We could trade up as high as the 25th pick in that scenario, but a third-round pick is a high price to pay.

The Steelers would really have to love Pouncey to pull that off.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

I still say a trade up to 29 with SD makes the most sense - if we were to do it.
We jump the Chicago Bears, who could very well take Pouncey if he was there.
It only costs us a 4th round pick.
The 29th pick is San Diego's second 1st-rounder...they might be more willing to deal and O-line is not a priority for them.

The 29th pick is the Bears pick.

The Chargers only have one first round pick...#18.

In order to jump ahead of the Bears, you'd have to go to #28 (New England...it is their second first rounder...the Cheetahs also have two 2nd rounders, two 3rd rounders...those bastages...they also had two 4th rounders as well before trading one of them to re-acquire Deion Branch).

Dammit!!!! It happened again! I was looking at the 2nd round instead of the first and used it as the basis of my trade scenario. This is the second time this week (hell..maybe the third) that I have not read or processed something correctly and looked like an idiot.

...and Ruthless has busted me TWICE!!!

Trading up to 28 with the Pats definitely seems less likely than if it was SD at 29...they have almost zero reason to accomodate us (although they do seem to be addicted to draft picks). The Pats O-line is also in flux and may want to snag Pouncey, if he's there.

Thanks to the clarity provided by Ruthless, it looks like we would have to be willing to part with a 3rd round pick to get Pouncey (or multiple picks). I don't like that. We could trade up as high as the 25th pick in that scenario, but a third-round pick is a high price to pay.

The Steelers would really have to love Pouncey to pull that off.

I'm not picking on you. Promise.

Trading up with Atlanta might be a possibility. Our 1st and 3rd for their 1st and 4th might do it. They'd move back 4 spots in the first (#27 to #31) and get to move up 28 spots from the 4th into the 3rd (#123 to #95) in return.

1.31 (600) + 3.95 (120) = 720
1.27 (680) + 4.123 (49) = 729

Pretty close. Doable, I'd say, if they are willing.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Simply beautiful JPN!

The variables I see are:
1. How high do the Steelers have Pouncey rated?
2. What are we willing to give up?
3. Who is still on the board?
4. Which team would be willing to trade down?

I still say a trade up to 29 with SD makes the most sense - if we were to do it.
We jump the Chicago Bears, who could very well take Pouncey if he was there.
It only costs us a 4th round pick.
The 29th pick is San Diego's second 1st-rounder...they might be more willing to deal and O-line is not a priority for them.

To not weigh these considerations is absurd. I can guarantee you that the Steelers have already identified players they would consider trading up for, how much they are willing to give up, and potential trade partners. If this process doesn't take place until after the combine, it will still be done. The only real question is "How much do we value Pouncey?"

I think JPN deftly showed us how an OG...this OG, is worthy of such consideration.

Exactly right....That is also a big factor too Flasteel. Easy to say go up and get him but the Steelers need a "dance partner". Then the factor of how much they want. Value chart is a basis. Not uncommon for a team to ask for more...Also have seen where a team does it for less. I love Pouncey and think he is the player that could have the most impact on this team from a draft standpoint that "might" be within reach. I would go as high as our 1st, 3rd, & 5th. That might get you to 24. Unfortunately, if he has a solid workout at the combine...You might have to go to #21 to get him. Hard to believe that the Colts & Eagles will not be looking at OL. Just hope Carimi & Sherrod are still on the board and they look OT first.

And just remember, picks could be recovered if that needs to be done for those who think we need alot more picks. Simple dropping out of the second maybe to the 5-7 spot of the 3rd could land you another 4th. Maybe Ras-I Dowling isn't 100% and has a bad workout. You don't like anyone at #2 so you trade back. Maybe get Ras-I Dowling or Curtis Brown at the top of the 3rd if the like them. So I'm not worried about giving up a pick. If you sit down and pencil a 2011 roster, there won't be many spots. I would be more focused about plugging in a couple solid players than worry about flooding the roster...I get the feeling the FO will be thinking the same.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

I'm a big fan of selecting Pouncey in the first. I would even be willing to move up a few spots to grab him. But, there is a very real possibility he won't make it past 20 let alone 29. I wouldn't move 10 spots for him that much I will say.

You could be 100% right with that statement after the combine. He shows a nice kick slide and good cone times at the combine...People will start throwing out the "he could play tackle" stuff like they did with Iupati.

I'm not giving up the whole draft to get him either. To get up ahead of the Colts at #21 is a steep price. The good thing is..It is the Chiefs and they could use a flooded roster. They might take a bargain but highly unlikely. You would have to give up your 1st & 2nd to get their 1st & 4th. I would need the whole clock to think about Pouncey, a 3rd, (2) 4's, a 5th, 6th, & 7th. I think I would have trouble calling KC back on that one.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

the caps weren't for effect. i noticed it was caps as i was about to submit and was too lazy to change it

any whoo. if you dont draft them now, do you want the same problems in the secondary 2-3 years from now?,

look at past pro bowl and all pro rosters. there are many more Guards making it to that level despite being drated later on then there are cornerbacks.

My bad NJ...Thought you were looking for attention. I read them all...Got no beef with anyone on this planet.

Moving up for Pouncey is far from ignoring the CB problem. I think they are equal concerns. It has to be addressed. I just don't feel a #3-#5 CB at #31 (may not even have one there) will solve that problem in 2011. It will be difficult for him to move into that starting lineup. Maybe he never does. I posted in here how many starts CBs picked outside the top 25 had their rookie year. Nnamdi Asomugha started 1 his rookie year and 7 his second year. They had Buchanon and Woodson then but Buchanon beat out Asomugha his rookie year and the next year. Asomugha got the starting job the next year when Buchanon left via FA.

I'm targeting a CB @ 2. But I think the best think to do is also hit FA when the new CBA is in place and get a 2nd tier CB with starting experience. A guy like Brandon Carr, Richard Marshall, Eric Wright, or Stanford Routt. Let Gay test the FA waters. If Lewis, Butler, or even Warren (possibly FS) show you something in camp & preseason...Then maybe even McFadden becomes expendable. But you never could have enough good CBs. Would anyone have a problem with Taylor, Brandon Carr, McFadden, Lewis, Butler, & say Rashad Carmichael/Ras-I Dowling/Curtis Brown as opening CBs? I wouldn't complain.

[Flasteel]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

Simply beautiful JPN!

The variables I see are:
1. How high do the Steelers have Pouncey rated?
2. What are we willing to give up?
3. Who is still on the board?
4. Which team would be willing to trade down?

I still say a trade up to 29 with SD makes the most sense - if we were to do it.
We jump the Chicago Bears, who could very well take Pouncey if he was there.
It only costs us a 4th round pick.
The 29th pick is San Diego's second 1st-rounder...they might be more willing to deal and O-line is not a priority for them.

To not weigh these considerations is absurd. I can guarantee you that the Steelers have already identified players they would consider trading up for, how much they are willing to give up, and potential trade partners. If this process doesn't take place until after the combine, it will still be done. The only real question is "How much do we value Pouncey?"

I think JPN deftly showed us how an OG...this OG, is worthy of such consideration.

Exactly right....That is also a big factor too Flasteel. Easy to say go up and get him but the Steelers need a "dance partner". Then the factor of how much they want. Value chart is a basis. Not uncommon for a team to ask for more...Also have seen where a team does it for less. I love Pouncey and think he is the player that could have the most impact on this team from a draft standpoint that "might" be within reach. I would go as high as our 1st, 3rd, & 5th. That might get you to 24. Unfortunately, if he has a solid workout at the combine...You might have to go to #21 to get him. Hard to believe that the Colts & Eagles will not be looking at OL. Just hope Carimi & Sherrod are still on the board and they look OT first.

And just remember, picks could be recovered if that needs to be done for those who think we need alot more picks. Simple dropping out of the second maybe to the 5-7 spot of the 3rd could land you another 4th. Maybe Ras-I Dowling isn't 100% and has a bad workout. You don't like anyone at #2 so you trade back. Maybe get Ras-I Dowling or Curtis Brown at the top of the 3rd if the like them. So I'm not worried about giving up a pick. If you sit down and pencil a 2011 roster, there won't be many spots. I would be more focused about plugging in a couple solid players than worry about flooding the roster...I get the feeling the FO will be thinking the same.

I think we're on the same page with Pouncey, but there's no way I trade out of the second round to get him. To me, that would exceed the price I'm willing to pay. I personally believe that we need to get a CB as much as we need to upgrade the line. But I don't think there is a corner who will be available that would have the kind of impact that Pouncey promises.

If we get Pouncey or some other lineman in the first, then we need to get the highest rated remaining corner on our board. If Pouncey doesn't fall to us and we go CB instead of another lineman in the 1st, then we need to get the best big guy available in the 2nd.

Like I stated earlier...I completely trust Colbert & Co. with 1st round pick. I also completely believe it will be in one of those 2 areas (maybe safety as well). If we do burn any ammo to move up in the first, that means we're getting a guy we really want. If we stand pat in the first, then we need to do what it takes to get the best remaining target. In that scenario, I personally wouldn't care what it took to move up in the 2nd round. We would ensure that we maximized the talent in both the secondary and the offensive line.

Moving out of the 2nd round (even the end of the second round) decreases the chance we get a guy we really like.

[Captain Lemming]

Re: Will The Pittsburgh Steelers Trade Up For Mike Pouncey?

I think you cloud things with the "reunite the twins" thought process.

"The Whole Is Greater Than The Sum Of Its Parts" my man.

It is a huge advantage in several ways.

Oline is about "Chemistry" and this level of chemistry is off the charts.

Another consideration is that these guys will have unique marketing angles which in addition to their closeness will make them easier to keep come time for free agency. They make more dough in endorsements, their stardom as olinemen will be unique because of being twins.

Mike does have MUCH greater value to us than any other team because The Whole Is Greater Than The Sum Of Its Parts.

Would you move up for Iuapti if he was in this years draft?

Despite all of the above I say YES most definately, I would do that in a second. The guy is a BEAST.