"He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

[MeetJoeGreene]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

JHC, is it possible for Steeler fans to love Ben and the way he plays, support him and still be disappointed in what he did off the field? I really don't care about the inconsistency with fines/suspensions of other players. It is what it is. I love our QB and will continue to do so, but I'll be damned if I didn't want to give him a Leroy Jethro Gibbs slap in the back of the head after this second allegation, because while I don't think he raped her, I do believe he has to be smarter. Why does it have to be either/or?

Even if you do feel that way about Ben's past, at what point do you leave it in the past? The media seems bent on forgiving Vick and making a big deal about how he has "rehabilitated" his image, yet are saying that Ben's off the field issues are going to be a hot topic. For how long?

The Ben haters (media AND certain posters) will still be bringing this up 3 years from now after he is married, settled down with a kid, and have that other crackpot case thrown out.

[proudpittsburgher]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

JHC, is it possible for Steeler fans to love Ben and the way he plays, support him and still be disappointed in what he did off the field? I really don't care about the inconsistency with fines/suspensions of other players. It is what it is. I love our QB and will continue to do so, but I'll be damned if I didn't want to give him a Leroy Jethro Gibbs slap in the back of the head after this second allegation, because while I don't think he raped her, I do believe he has to be smarter. Why does it have to be either/or?

Even if you do feel that way about Ben's past, at what point do you leave it in the past? The media seems bent on forgiving Vick and making a big deal about how he has "rehabilitated" his image, yet are saying that Ben's off the field issues are going to be a hot topic. For how long?

The Ben haters (media AND certain posters) will still be bringing this up 3 years from now after he is married, settled down with a kid, and have that other crackpot case thrown out.

I HAVE left it in the past, but I am not going to criticise others who choose not to do so. Personally, while I don't completely seperate Ben on and off the field, there is enough of a difference between the two that I can move on with him.

I frequent a lot of national sports journalism boards, and honestly, the only thing that really gets under my skin is when they refer to him as a "rapist". To me, there are a handful of words that you better be careful of using and that is among the top, maybe even higher than murderer, which can be used in reference to Ray Lewis, and often is. I get a kick out of guys who go batsh&* crazy when people call out Jay Cutler for quitting and being indifferent on his team, but they have no problem calling Ben a rapist. If you use that word, you beter be darn sur eyou are right, because, as George Carlin once said" that is among the heavy-duty words.

Time is never going to wash this opinion of Ben away with many people. Me, I moved on the start of the regular season, while we were discussing whether Batch or Dixon was going to start while Ben was serving his time, fair or unfair, because bithing about it wasn;t going to change anything, so why bother.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Even if you do feel that way about Ben's past, at what point do you leave it in the past?

I agree 100%. IMO Ben did not commit rape, but did act childish and was stupid enough to put himself in compromising situations - even after he was once (IMO) falsely accused.

He was forced to sit out four games and then had a tremendous season and seems to have his head on straight now with regards to the party side of things.

Suspension is now behind us, hopefully all accusations are behind us, now we just look forward. We play in the SB in less than two weeks, Ben is only 28, we have a D with a few older players but still a good nucleus in place, a solid group of speedy young receivers, a RB who is still young enough to have his best days ahead, and a FO that can still draft studs early. We might just be in the middle of what could be a historic era in Steelers football.

Of course, if even one accusation is proven to be fact then he will be immediately removed from this team and the Roethlisberger era ends right there. I don't think that anyone here would dispute that but no need to talk about that possibility unless it actually happens.

[feltdizz]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

How can you be right about Goodell when you were wrong about us getting screwed and losing the Ravens playoff game?

Excuse me? I'm sorry, I must have missed where Terrell Suggs' two handed head slap on Ben was called when it cost us 7 points. Can you point that out for me?

We also had to use a challenge AFTER THE OPENING KICKOFF! What kind of incompetent pole smoking morons does Goodell employ when they can't even get an opening kickoff correct?

[quote:2yrm2yfo]What about the Jets refs who were going to screw us?

You mean when we were up 7-0, had a clear 4th and 1 spot, but Ed Hochuli for some reason calls for a measurement himself when we are trying to make a play during hurry up and stops us?

You keep saying how wrong I am, and yet, the facts on the field keep proving me right.

The Steelers overcame their blatant attempts, again, to f*ck up our season.[/quote:2yrm2yfo]
they called defensive holding against the ravens on the GL... the punt return TD that was called back?

they could have overturned Ike's sack fumble in the Jets game..

take off the conspiracy tin foil hat.

Everyone says WE get all the calls and have the refs in our pocket. You sound just like them.

[Crash]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Everyone says WE get all the calls and have the refs in our pocket

But we don't. History proves we don't. They talk about XL, but they don't talk about the calls they tried to screw us with (and did in Indy) that whole playoff run.