"He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

[Dee Dub]

.........Crap!! I am sick of hearing how Ben has won two Super Bowls because he has played on a team that has had great defenses. Are you kidding me? If it was that easy then Jay Cutler would have one. Or Mark Sanchez would have one. Or Joe Flacco would have one. Or Phillip Rivers who played with the number one ranked defense this year would have one. Or Donovan McNabb when he played in Philadelphia. Or Fran Tarkenton when he played with the Purple People Eaters. Or Jim Kelly when he played with Buffalo.

It's not that easy. You still need a big time quarterback who makes big time plays when the stage is it's brightest.

Do people forget when the Steelers for many years had the number one ranked defense and often the number one rushing team at the same time and had Kordell Stewart, Neil O'Donnell, and Tommy Maddox as their quarterback?

It just isnt that easy. And thank God the Steelers have Ben Roethlisberger.

He is the sole reason why the Steelers are the elite franchise in the NFL. Had he not come to Pittsburgh they would be stuck on 4 Super Bowl trophies. Now they are on the verge of their 7th.

[Djfan]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Let them talk. Ben will collect rings, and they will be experts. It works for me.

[JAR]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Ben was actually get a lot of love today on ESPN from various guys. A lot are waking up to the fact that stats don't matter, winning games does and Ben makes plays to win games.

[steelz09]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

I'm especially sick of Steve Young. I hated him as a player and I hate him more as an "nfl analyst". He gives Ben absolutely no credit at all.

Steve Young will give every excuse in the book as to why Ben wins including the defense.

I would love to have a 2 minutes interview with the guy. I could use the same logic as to why Steve Young won. Let's see...

1) Steve Young had what most people agree to be the best wide receiver of all time in Jerry Rice

2) Young had Taylor. Taylor would have been a #1 receiver on most teams.

3) Young also had a good defense. Not as good as the Steelers but still good.

[Dee Dub]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

I'm especially sick of Steve Young. I hated him as a player and I hate him more as an "nfl analyst". He gives Ben absolutely no credit at all.

Steve Young will give every excuse in the book as to why Ben wins including the defense.

I would love to have a 2 minutes interview with the guy. I could use the same logic as to why Steve Young won. Let's see...

1) Steve Young had what most people agree to be the best wide receiver of all time in Jerry Rice

2) Young had Taylor. Taylor would have been a #1 receiver on most teams.

3) Young also had a good defense. Not as good as the Steelers but still good.

And Marshall Faulk says Ben only has 1 1/2 Super Bowl rings.

[Crash]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Steve Young is bitter because when he played like Ben his own fans used to yell at him to stay in the pocket and "be like Joe".

So now he wants Ben to get the same abuse.

[Irongut]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Ben certainly deserves credity but he isn't winning any titles without this defense.

[Dee Dub]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Ben certainly deserves credity but he isn't winning any titles without this defense.

How many times did the Steelers have the number one overall defense between 1994 and 2004? ANd how many championships did they win?

You have it backwards. This defense isnt winning any championships without Ben.

Square peg into the round hole. Put Kordell Stewart as the quarterback on this team with this defense....and quite frankly...they do not go to the Super Bowl.

[proudpittsburgher]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Ben certainly deserves credity but he isn't winning any titles without this defense.

i say this in all seriousness and am not trying to start a war with this. . . do you just say this sh&* to try and start an argument with crash?

[JAR]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Ben certainly deserves credity but he isn't winning any titles without this defense.

i say this in all seriousness and am not trying to start a war with this. . . do you just say this sh&* to try and start an argument with crash?

I believe irongut is nothing but a troll

[Irongut]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Ben certainly deserves credity but he isn't winning any titles without this defense.

i say this in all seriousness and am not trying to start a war with this. . . do you just say this sh&* to try and start an argument with crash?

I believe irongut is nothing but a troll

Congrats for confirming you're an idiot.

To PPB, I say it because it is true. This team is and likely always will be a defensive team. Every SB since 2004 we have had a top 5 defense. We haven't had any top 5 offenses in that span. Sure Ben makes plays but the team doesn't win crap without the defense.

[proudpittsburgher]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Ben certainly deserves credity but he isn't winning any titles without this defense.

i say this in all seriousness and am not trying to start a war with this. . . do you just say this sh&* to try and start an argument with crash?

I believe irongut is nothing but a troll

Congrats for confirming you're an idiot.

To PPB, I say it because it is true. This team is and likely always will be a defensive team. Every SB since 2004 we have had a top 5 defense. We haven't had any top 5 offenses in that span. Sure Ben makes plays but the team doesn't win crap without the defense.

How can you say somethign that can't be proven, since its your speculation, is true? And if you don't think that the two go hand in hand (Ben and the defense), then you haven't been watching the games. Ben has pulled plenty of games out that the defense let go, and the defense has held on to leads that the offense tried givign away. Or a Ben led offense giving us a lead puts the defense in a position to put more pressure against a must-pass offense. I could just as easily say that The defense wouldn't win a super bowl without a Ben-led offense, cause, well, it's true, or so says I. They go hand in hand.

[Chachi]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Respect don't win you rings.

Rings win you respect.

The media can keep their respect.

I want rings.

[JAR]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

Ben certainly deserves credity but he isn't winning any titles without this defense.

i say this in all seriousness and am not trying to start a war with this. . . do you just say this sh&* to try and start an argument with crash?

I believe irongut is nothing but a troll

Congrats for confirming you're an idiot.

To PPB, I say it because it is true. This team is and likely always will be a defensive team. Every SB since 2004 we have had a top 5 defense. We haven't had any top 5 offenses in that span. Sure Ben makes plays but the team doesn't win crap without the defense.

How can you say somethign that can't be proven, since its your speculation, is true? And if you don't think that the two go hand in hand (Ben and the defense), then you haven't been watching the games. Ben has pulled plenty of games out that the defense let go, and the defense has held on to leads that the offense tried givign away. Or a Ben led offense giving us a lead puts the defense in a position to put more pressure against a must-pass offense. I could just as easily say that The defense wouldn't win a super bowl without a Ben-led offense, cause, well, it's true, or so says I. They go hand in hand.

He's here to stir things up, he's a troll.

[Northern_Blitz]

Re: "He wins Super Bowls because he plays with a great defense".

.........Crap!! I am sick of hearing how Ben has won two Super Bowls because he has played on a team that has had great defenses. Are you kidding me? If it was that easy then Jay Cutler would have one. Or Mark Sanchez would have one. Or Joe Flacco would have one. Or Phillip Rivers who played with the number one ranked defense this year would have one. Or Donovan McNabb when he played in Philadelphia. Or Fran Tarkenton when he played with the Purple People Eaters. Or Jim Kelly when he played with Buffalo.

It's not that easy. You still need a big time quarterback who makes big time plays when the stage is it's brightest.

Do people forget when the Steelers for many years had the number one ranked defense and often the number one rushing team at the same time and had Kordell Stewart, Neil O'Donnell, and Tommy Maddox as their quarterback?

It just isnt that easy. And thank God the Steelers have Ben Roethlisberger.

He is the sole reason why the Steelers are the elite franchise in the NFL. Had he not come to Pittsburgh they would be stuck on 4 Super Bowl trophies. Now they are on the verge of their 7th.

Ask them about Brady's Defences that he won super bowls with.