Ben Said He Had the Ball...

[brothervad]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

I just want to enjoy this win. Do we really need to hear all the conspiracy crap/favortism this week from everyone??? The Rat fans are saying it too, but that they weren't given the turnover in the end when RayRay stripped it. Said forward progress wasn't stopped. It just seems like the Steelers are always scrutinized unfairly and I'm tired of it............

It's every bit as exhausting as hearing Steelers fans whine about the team not being perfect and not making every play, isn't it?

But to Steelgals point Stlrz d...

It's getting really hard to enjoy NFL football anymore. I think my best advice to fans as impossible as this is...just don't listen to the media outside of Pittsburgh anymore.

They can't take the W away from the Steelers...just enjoy it...5-1! Even if for some bad reason the Steelers only go .500 the rest of the way...we are 11-5 and in the playoffs.

That is good stuff!



brothervad

5-1 = 6 games. Subtract that from a 16 game schedule and you have 10 games left. Splitting those contests puts us at 10-6.

Just sayin'

I stand corrected...my math and my morale now match one another...sucks!

[SteelCzar76]

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Yea,...the Dolphins got jobbed on the call. But,..it happens and they can't get too low about it anymore than we can be too high about escaping with a win. But given the circumstances on the injury front for us,..i'll take it.

And in reality,..let's be honest here,...when we do win,...it's usually always ugly. Just seems to be the nature of the team now.

But on the upside most teams are playing relatively mediocre ball now around the league. No one is really "dominant" per se. (with the exception of maybe the Jets)

Therefore,..we still have a very good shot at 12-4 and a nice playoff run.

[stlrz d]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

I just want to enjoy this win. Do we really need to hear all the conspiracy crap/favortism this week from everyone??? The Rat fans are saying it too, but that they weren't given the turnover in the end when RayRay stripped it. Said forward progress wasn't stopped. It just seems like the Steelers are always scrutinized unfairly and I'm tired of it............

It's every bit as exhausting as hearing Steelers fans whine about the team not being perfect and not making every play, isn't it?

But to Steelgals point Stlrz d...

It's getting really hard to enjoy NFL football anymore. I think my best advice to fans as impossible as this is...just don't listen to the media outside of Pittsburgh anymore.

They can't take the W away from the Steelers...just enjoy it...5-1! Even if for some bad reason the Steelers only go .500 the rest of the way...we are 11-5 and in the playoffs.

That is good stuff!



brothervad

I hear ya but it comes from Steelers Nation too. Just look at the post above this one. Dude doesn't like Tomlin so the Dolphins were "jobbed". I had to block a few idiot Steelers fans on twitter too.

[hawaiiansteel]

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"Refs called a wonderful game - for the Steelers"

Big Ben's goal-line fumble negated, letting Pittsburgh boot FG to top Miami

BY STEVEN WINE
Associated Press Sports
updated 6:10 p.m. ET Oct. 24, 2010


MIAMI - Ben Roethlisberger and several other players waged an end-zone scrum for a loose ball so frantic the officials were unable to determine a winner.

That gave the game to the Steelers.

A video review determined Roethlisberger's late touchdown was instead a fumble, but because it was unclear who recovered, Pittsburgh kept the ball and kicked the game-winning field goal on the next play to beat the Miami Dolphins 23-22.


"Just a bizarre kind of play. You hate to win it that way, but you'll take a win," Roethlisberger said.

Said Miami linebacker Channing Crowder: "The refs called a wonderful game — for the Steelers."

With Pittsburgh trailing 22-20 and facing third-and-goal at the 2, Roethlisberger fumbled as he dived across the goal line on a quarterback draw. The play was ruled a touchdown as both teams scrambled for the ball.

After a review, referee Gene Steratore announced Roethlisberger fumbled before scoring. But Steratore said replays were inconclusive regarding which team recovered, and the Steelers were awarded possession at the half-yard line, allowing Jeff Reed to kick an 18-yard field goal with 2:26 left.

"I have to have clear video evidence of the team recovering the fumble," Steratore said after the game. "It is a pile of bodies in there, and you don't have a clear recovery."

Several Dolphins argued Miami linebacker Ikaika Alama-Francis recovered.

Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin was still shaking his head about the narrow escape when he met with reporters.

"Make it quick," he said. "We've got the buses warming up."

AFC North leader Pittsburgh improved to 5-1 and remained unbeaten on the road. The Steelers won despite losing three starters with injuries: linebacker LaMarr Woodley (hamstring), defensive end Aaron Smith (left arm) and tackle Flozell Adams (left ankle).

Miami fell to 3-3, with all the defeats at home and all the wins on the road.

Roethlisberger, playing his second game since returning from his suspension, finished 19 for 27 for 302 yards and two scores. But the Dolphins' point total was the highest against stingy Pittsburgh this year.

The game was the first for the league's top-scoring defense since the NFL crackdown on illegal hits, a move precipitated in part by a helmet hit by Pittsburgh's James Harrison, who drew a $75,000 fine.

Maybe that robbed the Steelers of a little zeal. The Dolphins' Chad Henne threw for 257 yards, and they took the 22-20 lead when Dan Carpenter kicked his fourth field goal with 5:17 left.

Emmanuel Sanders returned the kickoff 48 yards against the Dolphins' shaky kick-coverage unit, and when Mewelde Moore turned a short pass into a 29-yard gain, the Steelers appeared on the verge of victory.

On third-and-goal, Roethlisberger took two steps back, then ran up the middle and lunged for the end zone. Chris Clemons hit him to jar the ball loose.

"I thought he broke my arm, he hit me so hard," Roethlisberger said. "My arm kind of went numb."

The debate about what happened next continued long after the game.

"I saw the ball sitting right in front of me," Roethlisberger said. "One of their guys jumped on it, and it squirted between them, so I was able to grab it under the pile."

Roethlisberger said he cradled the ball in his right arm, but he conceded a Dolphins player — Francis — also had a piece of it.

"I'm not denying he wasn't holding onto it," Roethlisberger said. "How do you tell who recovered the ball?"

Francis said he stood up with the ball.

"I just don't understand the ruling," he said. "I had possession."

The crowd booed as Reed trotted onto the field to kick the winner. The Dolphins had a chance to make the ruling moot with a last-minute comeback, but they lost the ball on downs, gaining only 4 yards in four plays.

The Dolphins recovered fumbles at the Pittsburgh 22 and 13 in the first 2 minutes but settled for a field goal each time. Their failure to take control early proved costly.

[url]http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39822645/ns/sports-nfl/[/url]

[SteelCzar76]

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[quote=stlrz d]

I just want to enjoy this win. Do we really need to hear all the conspiracy crap/favortism this week from everyone??? The Rat fans are saying it too, but that they weren't given the turnover in the end when RayRay stripped it. Said forward progress wasn't stopped. It just seems like the Steelers are always scrutinized unfairly and I'm tired of it............

It's every bit as exhausting as hearing Steelers fans whine about the team not being perfect and not making every play, isn't it?

But to Steelgals point Stlrz d...

It's getting really hard to enjoy NFL football anymore. I think my best advice to fans as impossible as this is...just don't listen to the media outside of Pittsburgh anymore.

They can't take the W away from the Steelers...just enjoy it...5-1! Even if for some bad reason the Steelers only go .500 the rest of the way...we are 11-5 and in the playoffs.

That is good stuff!



brothervad

I hear ya but it comes from Steelers Nation too. Just look at the post above this one. Dude doesn't like Tomlin so the Dolphins were "jobbed". I had to block a few idiot Steelers fans on twitter too.[/quote:10lbyhj2]



Me not "liking" Tomlin as a talent evaluator in terms of personnel has nothing to do with the fact that in truth the Dolphins did get jobbed on the call in terms of them not receiving posession of the ball. I am man enough to admit that even though it's not what i would have preferred given the fact that it would have not been in the best interest of my squad.

Eat d#ck with an Elvis wig on D and stay off of mine.

[stlrz d]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

Learn the rules then eat your own d!ck. Loser.

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

Loser.

Says the guy on a message board with no knowledge whatsoever about about me personally. Sounds a lot like someone giving credence to the great possibility that they are in fact the said 'Loser'.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

NFL Official explanation of Roethlisberger goal line fumble


NFL Head Referee Gene Steratore – Pool Report

(Explanation that he said on the field) – “Naturally the ruling on the field was a touchdown by Pittsburgh. After review it was confirmed in replay that the ball did come loose and it was a fumble prior to the ball breaking the goal line. That’s where we go into the second aspect of that. In order to overturn this and give another team the football, I have to have clear video evidence of the team recovering the fumble. So when a little short segment of what I said out there. That is what I explained. We did have a fumble, but we did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football so we changed an aspect of the play by not awarding Pittsburgh the touchdown. Miami is not charged a time out because we changed an aspect of that play, but we could not award the defense in this situation the football because we don’t have video evidence of the defense recovering the ball.”

(On why it was not determined who recovered the fumble) – “It is a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”

(On if it is protocol to determine who recovered the fumble regardless of the whistle) – “Anytime that you have a fumble or if would be ruled a touchdown or down by contact or situation where we have ruled a play ended and a team challenges that in fact it was a fumble. Both aspects of that ruling have to be video confirmed in order for us to turn the ball over a) that it was a fumble before down by contact or touchdown in this case and b) a clear recovery by the defense in order to award them the football.”

(On if there was a reason to determine who recovered the fumble in live action as opposed to during the review) – “In live action, the ruling was touchdown.”

(On why it was not determined who recovered the fumble at the time of the play) – “Because the ruling was a touchdown.”

(On if it was not until that it was determined that it was not a touchdown can you go forward with the process of determining who recovered the fumble) – “When you have a challenge, naturally you are challenging the ruling on the field which was a touchdown so when we go into replay, we find out in fact that it was in fact a fumble prior to the ball breaking the plane, but we have to continue with that aspect and find a clear recovery by the defense in order to reward them the ball.”

(On if mentioned on the field anything about two to three camera angles) – “No. I didn’t mention anything about angles ever. No.”

(On if he could not determine who recovered the ball) – “We confirmed that there was a fumble and were not able to confirm a clear recovery by the defense.”

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[stlrz d]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

NFL Official explanation of Roethlisberger goal line fumble


NFL Head Referee Gene Steratore – Pool Report

(Explanation that he said on the field) – “Naturally the ruling on the field was a touchdown by Pittsburgh. After review it was confirmed in replay that the ball did come loose and it was a fumble prior to the ball breaking the goal line. That’s where we go into the second aspect of that. In order to overturn this and give another team the football, I have to have clear video evidence of the team recovering the fumble. So when a little short segment of what I said out there. That is what I explained. We did have a fumble, but we did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football so we changed an aspect of the play by not awarding Pittsburgh the touchdown. Miami is not charged a time out because we changed an aspect of that play, but we could not award the defense in this situation the football because we don’t have video evidence of the defense recovering the ball.”

(On why it was not determined who recovered the fumble) – “It is a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”

(On if it is protocol to determine who recovered the fumble regardless of the whistle) – “Anytime that you have a fumble or if would be ruled a touchdown or down by contact or situation where we have ruled a play ended and a team challenges that in fact it was a fumble. Both aspects of that ruling have to be video confirmed in order for us to turn the ball over a) that it was a fumble before down by contact or touchdown in this case and b) a clear recovery by the defense in order to award them the football.”

(On if there was a reason to determine who recovered the fumble in live action as opposed to during the review) – “In live action, the ruling was touchdown.”

(On why it was not determined who recovered the fumble at the time of the play) – “Because the ruling was a touchdown.”

(On if it was not until that it was determined that it was not a touchdown can you go forward with the process of determining who recovered the fumble) – “When you have a challenge, naturally you are challenging the ruling on the field which was a touchdown so when we go into replay, we find out in fact that it was in fact a fumble prior to the ball breaking the plane, but we have to continue with that aspect and find a clear recovery by the defense in order to reward them the ball.”

(On if mentioned on the field anything about two to three camera angles) – “No. I didn’t mention anything about angles ever. No.”

(On if he could not determine who recovered the ball) – “We confirmed that there was a fumble and were not able to confirm a clear recovery by the defense.”

[url="http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/NFL-Official-explanation-of-Roethlisberger-goal-line-fumble--/62914ec1-757c-4d39-ab35-16ceb66297f1"]http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/ ... ceb66297f1[/url]

Boom. Case closed.

[Steelgal]

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Thanks Hawaiian!!! Maybe that will shut people up..... doubt it though

[feltdizz]

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It would be nice if Ben could get across the GL without controversy.

The guy loves drama.

[Flasteel]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

[quote=SteelCzar76]

I just want to enjoy this win. Do we really need to hear all the conspiracy crap/favortism this week from everyone??? The Rat fans are saying it too, but that they weren't given the turnover in the end when RayRay stripped it. Said forward progress wasn't stopped. It just seems like the Steelers are always scrutinized unfairly and I'm tired of it............

It's every bit as exhausting as hearing Steelers fans whine about the team not being perfect and not making every play, isn't it?

But to Steelgals point Stlrz d...

It's getting really hard to enjoy NFL football anymore. I think my best advice to fans as impossible as this is...just don't listen to the media outside of Pittsburgh anymore.

They can't take the W away from the Steelers...just enjoy it...5-1! Even if for some bad reason the Steelers only go .500 the rest of the way...we are 11-5 and in the playoffs.

That is good stuff!



brothervad

I hear ya but it comes from Steelers Nation too. Just look at the post above this one. Dude doesn't like Tomlin so the Dolphins were "jobbed". I had to block a few idiot Steelers fans on twitter too.

Me not "liking" Tomlin as a talent evaluator in terms of personnel has nothing to do with the fact that in truth the Dolphins did get jobbed on the call in terms of them not receiving posession of the ball. I am man enough to admit that even though it's not what i would have preferred given the fact that it would have not been in the best interest of my squad.

Eat d#ck with an Elvis wig on D and stay off of mine. [/quote:1vlgplf6]

Wait a minute Czar. Are you calling Ben a liar? Are you not aware of the original post, which also stated that Ben only let go when the ref tapped him on the shoulder and told him it was a TD?

How can you say Miami got jobbed after that statement? As a Steeler fan, I find your stance a little troubling.

Why are none of the post game shows showing Ben's full quote on the play? It's like they're intentionally stirring the pot.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

it doesn't look like Ben had the ball though in this pic...

[brothervad]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

it doesn't look like Ben had the ball though in this pic...

Doesn't look like the end of the play though...I don't think the Dolphin has Possessed it yet.

Regardless...I think the official's response says enough

brothervad

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Ben Said He Had the Ball...

Wait a minute Czar. Are you calling Ben a liar? Are you not aware of the original post, which also stated that Ben only let go when the ref tapped him on the shoulder and told him it was a TD?

How can you say Miami got jobbed after that statement? As a Steeler fan, I find your stance a little troubling.

Why are none of the post game shows showing Ben's full quote on the play? It's like they're intentionally stirring the pot.
Me question Roethlisberger's word ? I wouldn't dream of it FLA. We all know that he has never been prone to Exaggeration and or drama and has always been honest about things such as injuries and phone calls to teammates.