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  • Flasteel
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    • May 2008
    • 4004

    #16
    Re: It's official FWP still ..................

    Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
    SUCKS!

    Again, I watched this guy put us in bad 3rd and longs situations because he can't shake off tacklers or get any yards up the middle. Teams have already figured it out that he always bounces to the outside and now they are just waiting for him. Maybe he should be returning kicks and let the real men run the ball. The days of picking up all his yardage to the outside appear to be over.

    Stats:
    10 Carries - 18 Yards (actually his longest carry was 9 yards, take away the 9 yard carry and you have 9 carries for 9 yards and a whopping 1 yard per carry).

    Now before everyone says the O-Line is the problem Mendenhall had 15 carries, 79 yards, case of the dropsies and his longest run was a 21 yarder. Take the 21 yard run away and you are looking at 14 carries for 58 yards which is a little over 4 yards a carry.) The fumbles can be corrected but FWP's running style can't be.
    LVG, I've got to completely disagree with you on this. Last night Parker ran very hard. He had two great runs where he netted a total of 15 yards and there were literally no holes to hit. The first one was when he broke through the LOS (behind Kemo) and was met in the hole by a linebacker with extreme ferocity. Parker bounced off of him, maintained his balance and picked up 10 yards. Not long after, he broke through a strong tackle attempt off the right side and picked up a nice five-yard chunk.

    The problem is what I've been saying all off-season. Parker's forte is getting on the edge, hitting the corner and picking up big yards. Not only does he have the skill set to do it, but it helps keep the linebackers from camping out inside. Last season he didn't bounce plays to the outside like you suggested (he certainly did the prior two seasons) and was continually sent up the gut behind very poor interior blocking...it was mind-numbing. Now that we have Mendenhall, there needs to be a concerted effort to run Parker more off tackle and get him outside (obviously not exclusively) and use Mendenhall's power to be our primary inside runner. We can't keep banging Willie up the middle and expect results, especially when we go up against a tackle tandem like we saw last night and when we're not getting effective blocking up front.

    To say that Parker has ever sucked or sucks now is nothing short of laughable. He is what he is and when used correctly, is one of the most dangerous weapons in our arsenal...period.
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    • BigBen2112

      #17
      Re: It's official FWP still ..................

      Originally posted by Flasteel
      Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
      SUCKS!

      Again, I watched this guy put us in bad 3rd and longs situations because he can't shake off tacklers or get any yards up the middle. Teams have already figured it out that he always bounces to the outside and now they are just waiting for him. Maybe he should be returning kicks and let the real men run the ball. The days of picking up all his yardage to the outside appear to be over.

      Stats:
      10 Carries - 18 Yards (actually his longest carry was 9 yards, take away the 9 yard carry and you have 9 carries for 9 yards and a whopping 1 yard per carry).

      Now before everyone says the O-Line is the problem Mendenhall had 15 carries, 79 yards, case of the dropsies and his longest run was a 21 yarder. Take the 21 yard run away and you are looking at 14 carries for 58 yards which is a little over 4 yards a carry.) The fumbles can be corrected but FWP's running style can't be.
      LVG, I've got to completely disagree with you on this. Last night Parker ran very hard. He had two great runs where he netted a total of 15 yards and there were literally no holes to hit. The first one was when he broke through the LOS (behind Kemo) and was met in the hole by a linebacker with extreme ferocity. Parker bounced off of him, maintained his balance and picked up 10 yards. Not long after, he broke through a strong tackle attempt off the right side and picked up a nice five-yard chunk.

      The problem is what I've been saying all off-season. Parker's forte is getting on the edge, hitting the corner and picking up big yards. Not only does he have the skill set to do it, but it helps keep the linebackers from camping out inside. Last season he didn't bounce plays to the outside like you suggested (he certainly did the prior two seasons) and was continually sent up the gut behind very poor interior blocking...it was mind-numbing. Now that we have Mendenhall, there needs to be a concerted effort to run Parker more off tackle and get him outside (obviously not exclusively) and use Mendenhall's power to be our primary inside runner. We can't keep banging Willie up the middle and expect results, especially when we go up against a tackle tandem like we saw last night and when we're not getting effective blocking up front.

      To say that Parker has ever sucked or sucks now is nothing short of laughable. He is what he is and when used correctly, is one of the most dangerous weapons in our arsenal...period.
      With the rush attempts that FWP had last year on a team with even a moderately better OL he'd have had such a lead in rushing yards that he could have been hurt and still won the rushing title.

      Where is the wrath against our boneheaded OC? I think that Arians is a complete dunce. I mean he has completely eliminated the lead blocker in this offense.....and instead he had put our RBs in a position where they run right up the middle with one of the worst OLs in Steeler history for sure...and easily one of the worst in the NFL.

      With this OL it should be a priority to have a lead blocker leading our RBs to get holes open. Instead we waste a roster spot on FBs that we rarely use...and who cant block. Im glad we waste the roster spots on guys who get 5 plays a game...as STARTERS!

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      • SteelTorch
        Pro Bowler
        • Jun 2008
        • 1361

        #18
        Re: It's official FWP still ..................

        Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
        Originally posted by stlrz d
        I'm not saying Mendy won't be a good back...just sayin' back off Parker when Mendy didn't fare much better against the same guys.

        In the first half he had 2 carries for 4 yards and a fumble lost.

        [url="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29821&displayPage=tab_play_by_p lay&season=2008&week=PRE3"]http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbypla ... &week=PRE3[/url]

        Dude, it's not one game. I have been watching this since he has been the starter. He is constantly putting us in third and long all game. Since you will be watching Steeler games in the comfort of your own home this year take a look at Parker and watch how many times he is handed the ball off 2 times in a row for 1 or 2 yards. It is then up to Ben and the offensive line to go out and get a first down. For us to keep teams guessing it is imparative that we have more succesful 1st and 2nd downs and if we do get to 3rd down it needs to be more like 3rd and 3 not 3rd and 8. Then you can go with a run or pass instead of teams knowing you have to pass.

        Fix 1st and 2nd down production and Ben doesn't come close to 47 sacks this year and we also may start beating teams like the Jets and Cardinals.
        Sorry, but you have no clue what you're talking about. You do realize that Parker was our MVP in 06, right? I've seen what Parker can do. If he has a decent O-line, he can do great things, but as of right now, he didn't have a great line. But even he started to improve as the game went on.

        And do I need to remind you that Parker was going against the #1 ranked running defense from last year? Did that little factoid occur to you? Adrian Peterson, WHO AVERAGED 5.6 YPC last year, and was SECOND IN YARDS, only got 21 yards on 12 carries against our defense. Are you going to say he sucks, too?
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        • Flasteel
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          • May 2008
          • 4004

          #19
          Re: It's official FWP still ..................

          Originally posted by BigBen2112
          Originally posted by Flasteel
          Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
          SUCKS!

          Again, I watched this guy put us in bad 3rd and longs situations because he can't shake off tacklers or get any yards up the middle. Teams have already figured it out that he always bounces to the outside and now they are just waiting for him. Maybe he should be returning kicks and let the real men run the ball. The days of picking up all his yardage to the outside appear to be over.

          Stats:
          10 Carries - 18 Yards (actually his longest carry was 9 yards, take away the 9 yard carry and you have 9 carries for 9 yards and a whopping 1 yard per carry).

          Now before everyone says the O-Line is the problem Mendenhall had 15 carries, 79 yards, case of the dropsies and his longest run was a 21 yarder. Take the 21 yard run away and you are looking at 14 carries for 58 yards which is a little over 4 yards a carry.) The fumbles can be corrected but FWP's running style can't be.
          LVG, I've got to completely disagree with you on this. Last night Parker ran very hard. He had two great runs where he netted a total of 15 yards and there were literally no holes to hit. The first one was when he broke through the LOS (behind Kemo) and was met in the hole by a linebacker with extreme ferocity. Parker bounced off of him, maintained his balance and picked up 10 yards. Not long after, he broke through a strong tackle attempt off the right side and picked up a nice five-yard chunk.

          The problem is what I've been saying all off-season. Parker's forte is getting on the edge, hitting the corner and picking up big yards. Not only does he have the skill set to do it, but it helps keep the linebackers from camping out inside. Last season he didn't bounce plays to the outside like you suggested (he certainly did the prior two seasons) and was continually sent up the gut behind very poor interior blocking...it was mind-numbing. Now that we have Mendenhall, there needs to be a concerted effort to run Parker more off tackle and get him outside (obviously not exclusively) and use Mendenhall's power to be our primary inside runner. We can't keep banging Willie up the middle and expect results, especially when we go up against a tackle tandem like we saw last night and when we're not getting effective blocking up front.

          To say that Parker has ever sucked or sucks now is nothing short of laughable. He is what he is and when used correctly, is one of the most dangerous weapons in our arsenal...period.
          With the rush attempts that FWP had last year on a team with even a moderately better OL he'd have had such a lead in rushing yards that he could have been hurt and still won the rushing title.

          Where is the wrath against our boneheaded OC? I think that Arians is a complete dunce. I mean he has completely eliminated the lead blocker in this offense.....and instead he had put our RBs in a position where they run right up the middle with one of the worst OLs in Steeler history for sure...and easily one of the worst in the NFL.

          With this OL it should be a priority to have a lead blocker leading our RBs to get holes open. Instead we waste a roster spot on FBs that we rarely use...and who cant block. Im glad we waste the roster spots on guys who get 5 plays a game...as STARTERS!
          $$$$$

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          • LasVegasGuy

            #20
            Re: It's official FWP still ..................

            Originally posted by SteelTorch
            Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
            Originally posted by stlrz d
            I'm not saying Mendy won't be a good back...just sayin' back off Parker when Mendy didn't fare much better against the same guys.

            In the first half he had 2 carries for 4 yards and a fumble lost.

            [url="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29821&displayPage=tab_play_by_p lay&season=2008&week=PRE3"]http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbypla ... &week=PRE3[/url]

            Dude, it's not one game. I have been watching this since he has been the starter. He is constantly putting us in third and long all game. Since you will be watching Steeler games in the comfort of your own home this year take a look at Parker and watch how many times he is handed the ball off 2 times in a row for 1 or 2 yards. It is then up to Ben and the offensive line to go out and get a first down. For us to keep teams guessing it is imparative that we have more succesful 1st and 2nd downs and if we do get to 3rd down it needs to be more like 3rd and 3 not 3rd and 8. Then you can go with a run or pass instead of teams knowing you have to pass.

            Fix 1st and 2nd down production and Ben doesn't come close to 47 sacks this year and we also may start beating teams like the Jets and Cardinals.
            Sorry, but you have no clue what you're talking about. You do realize that Parker was our MVP in 06, right? I've seen what Parker can do. If he has a decent O-line, he can do great things, but as of right now, he didn't have a great line. But even he started to improve as the game went on.

            And do I need to remind you that Parker was going against the #1 ranked running defense from last year? Did that little factoid occur to you? Adrian Peterson, WHO AVERAGED 5.6 YPC last year, and was SECOND IN YARDS, only got 21 yards on 12 carries against our defense. Are you going to say he sucks, too?

            I'm not enamored with team MVP titles and how many yards a season he gets. I see him for what he is. Why not watch the game and see how he is constantly putting us in bad positions. 1st down - 1 yard, 2nd down - 1 yard and then tell me what you think? We are always hoping for the big run out of FWP which I would trade for 3 or 4 yards every run. That would completely change the game and how we call plays.

            Now I keep hearing how we need a bruising OL in order for FWP to be effective. If we have a bruising OL do we really need FWP? Couldn't we throw any scrub in there considering the holes that would be open with this OL?

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            • BigBen2112

              #21
              Re: It's official FWP still ..................

              Originally posted by Flasteel
              Originally posted by BigBen2112
              Originally posted by Flasteel
              Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
              SUCKS!

              Again, I watched this guy put us in bad 3rd and longs situations because he can't shake off tacklers or get any yards up the middle. Teams have already figured it out that he always bounces to the outside and now they are just waiting for him. Maybe he should be returning kicks and let the real men run the ball. The days of picking up all his yardage to the outside appear to be over.

              Stats:
              10 Carries - 18 Yards (actually his longest carry was 9 yards, take away the 9 yard carry and you have 9 carries for 9 yards and a whopping 1 yard per carry).

              Now before everyone says the O-Line is the problem Mendenhall had 15 carries, 79 yards, case of the dropsies and his longest run was a 21 yarder. Take the 21 yard run away and you are looking at 14 carries for 58 yards which is a little over 4 yards a carry.) The fumbles can be corrected but FWP's running style can't be.
              LVG, I've got to completely disagree with you on this. Last night Parker ran very hard. He had two great runs where he netted a total of 15 yards and there were literally no holes to hit. The first one was when he broke through the LOS (behind Kemo) and was met in the hole by a linebacker with extreme ferocity. Parker bounced off of him, maintained his balance and picked up 10 yards. Not long after, he broke through a strong tackle attempt off the right side and picked up a nice five-yard chunk.

              The problem is what I've been saying all off-season. Parker's forte is getting on the edge, hitting the corner and picking up big yards. Not only does he have the skill set to do it, but it helps keep the linebackers from camping out inside. Last season he didn't bounce plays to the outside like you suggested (he certainly did the prior two seasons) and was continually sent up the gut behind very poor interior blocking...it was mind-numbing. Now that we have Mendenhall, there needs to be a concerted effort to run Parker more off tackle and get him outside (obviously not exclusively) and use Mendenhall's power to be our primary inside runner. We can't keep banging Willie up the middle and expect results, especially when we go up against a tackle tandem like we saw last night and when we're not getting effective blocking up front.

              To say that Parker has ever sucked or sucks now is nothing short of laughable. He is what he is and when used correctly, is one of the most dangerous weapons in our arsenal...period.
              With the rush attempts that FWP had last year on a team with even a moderately better OL he'd have had such a lead in rushing yards that he could have been hurt and still won the rushing title.

              Where is the wrath against our boneheaded OC? I think that Arians is a complete dunce. I mean he has completely eliminated the lead blocker in this offense.....and instead he had put our RBs in a position where they run right up the middle with one of the worst OLs in Steeler history for sure...and easily one of the worst in the NFL.

              With this OL it should be a priority to have a lead blocker leading our RBs to get holes open. Instead we waste a roster spot on FBs that we rarely use...and who cant block. Im glad we waste the roster spots on guys who get 5 plays a game...as STARTERS!
              $$$$$

              Sorry brother it doesn't mean that you get my vote for GM. :P
              I SERIOUSLY think that we have the WORST OL in the NFL...and the WORST OC in the NFL.

              All that makes a nice brew of disaster for an offense.

              I mean really...on a 4th and almost 2 last night against the best defensive front probably in the NFL he wanted Ben to slam his head in there and get a 1st down?

              I mean really?

              Yeah that's intelligent coaching when its the preseason...have your franchise player ram himself into a HUGE line and risk injury for something completely meaningless...WHEN HES GETTIN HIT HARD ENOUGH ANYWAYS!

              Arians is a complete dunce.

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              • SteelTorch
                Pro Bowler
                • Jun 2008
                • 1361

                #22
                Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                Originally posted by LasVegasGuy

                I'm not enamored with team MVP titles and how many yards a season he gets. I see him for what he is. Why not watch the game and see how he is constantly putting us in bad positions. 1st down - 1 yard, 2nd down - 1 yard and then tell me what you think? We are always hoping for the big run out of FWP which I would trade for 3 or 4 yards every run. That would completely change the game and how we call plays.

                Now I keep hearing how we need a bruising OL in order for FWP to be effective. If we have a bruising OL do we really need FWP? Couldn't we throw any scrub in there considering the holes that would be open with this OL?
                You still don't know what you're talking about. If you're going to reply, at least read my posts. I didn't say a bruising O-line, I said a decent O-line. Even Adrian Peterson and LT have good lines to run behind. We didn't even have a decent O-line last year. You can whine about Parker all you want, but I can't even count the number of times I've seen our line collapse like a house of cards or miss assignments completely, resulting in Parker getting only one yard or getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage. if anything, Parker made our line's run blocking look better than it really was.

                His putting us in "bad positions" regularly didn't even occur until last year - where we lost our good center, had a new RT, a sucky RG, an unhealthy LT, and a LG who was being a disruptive bastard. Don't even bother to try and pass off Parker as a liability. And need I say it again - #1 ranked running defense! Mendy wasn't getting big yards against their first-stringers either.

                I see you didn't address any of my other points, either.
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                • AngryAsian
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 3010

                  #23
                  Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                  This debate is going around in circles. I have to chime in here (or GONG in here ).... The sentiments regarding Parker's utilization in certain situations is the crux of this argument. Parker's skillset has never been gaining the tough yards or within plays that have run between tackles. He's a home run hitter to the outside when you have guards pulling to the outside and very competent blocking by our beastly TE and our equally beastly blocking WRs Hines/Holmes. He has been outstanding over the years when you consider that we've been using him as our primary ground weapon. This isn't his strong suit.

                  That is why, as fans we should have more confidence in this year's ground game because we have two bruisers in the backfield like Mendy/Russell to punish the defenses... and its an added bonus that both these backs have above average hands... (in the passing game). Mendy still needs time to adjust to the big league pace.... but without a doubt our three headed monster will be extremely effective, even with our so-so line.... when these chess pieces utilized correctly.

                  Here's the problem.... Arians doesn't show even a hint of being a Master Strategist.... so even if he has all this talent, how will that reap us dividends this season. This is where the blame should shift. The proper play called at the proper time using the proper talent, would be a home run for this offense..... and Parker doing his part within the right situation.

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                  • ramblinjim
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1278

                    #24
                    Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                    Originally posted by BigBen2112
                    Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
                    Originally posted by BigBen2112
                    Actually, what I think we should do is trade Parker for a draft pick and let the rookie to plays exactly like that...a ROOKIE...start behind this great offensive-line juggernaut that we have here.

                    I think that'd be a sweet idea.

                    For a 1200 yard a year runner I bet we wouldn't get more then a 5th rounder for Parker. Front offices except for ours knows their is nothing special when it comes to Parker. Close the gaps to the outside and you contain Parker will be the motto this year for defenses. Bump this thread at the end of the year because I am saying he doesn't get 1000 yards this year.

                    With this offensive line...the child of Barry Sanders, Jerome Bettis, and James Brown couldnt crack 1000 yards.
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                    • fordfixer
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 10921

                      #25
                      Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                      Originally posted by asiansteel
                      This debate is going around in circles. I have to chime in here (or GONG in here ).... The sentiments regarding Parker's utilization in certain situations is the crux of this argument. Parker's skillset has never been gaining the tough yards or within plays that have run between tackles. He's a home run hitter to the outside when you have guards pulling to the outside and very competent blocking by our beastly TE and our equally beastly blocking WRs Hines/Holmes. He has been outstanding over the years when you consider that we've been using him as our primary ground weapon. This isn't his strong suit.

                      That is why, as fans we should have more confidence in this year's ground game because we have two bruisers in the backfield like Mendy/Russell to punish the defenses... and its an added bonus that both these backs have above average hands... (in the passing game). Mendy still needs time to adjust to the big league pace.... but without a doubt our three headed monster will be extremely effective, even with our so-so line.... when these chess pieces utilized correctly.

                      Here's the problem.... Arians doesn't show even a hint of being a Master Strategist.... so even if he has all this talent, how will that reap us dividends this season. This is where the blame should shift. The proper play called at the proper time using the proper talent, would be a home run for this offense..... and Parker doing his part within the right situation.
                      Good point AS you just may be right.

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                      • LasVegasGuy

                        #26
                        Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                        Originally posted by asiansteel
                        This debate is going around in circles. I have to chime in here (or GONG in here ).... The sentiments regarding Parker's utilization in certain situations is the crux of this argument. Parker's skillset has never been gaining the tough yards or within plays that have run between tackles. He's a home run hitter to the outside when you have guards pulling to the outside and very competent blocking by our beastly TE and our equally beastly blocking WRs Hines/Holmes. He has been outstanding over the years when you consider that we've been using him as our primary ground weapon. This isn't his strong suit.

                        That is why, as fans we should have more confidence in this year's ground game because we have two bruisers in the backfield like Mendy/Russell to punish the defenses... and its an added bonus that both these backs have above average hands... (in the passing game). Mendy still needs time to adjust to the big league pace.... but without a doubt our three headed monster will be extremely effective, even with our so-so line.... when these chess pieces utilized correctly.

                        Here's the problem.... Arians doesn't show even a hint of being a Master Strategist.... so even if he has all this talent, how will that reap us dividends this season. This is where the blame should shift. The proper play called at the proper time using the proper talent, would be a home run for this offense..... and Parker doing his part within the right situation.

                        Arians is a joke too don't get me started on that douche bag. I loved the plays last night with Roethlisberger out as a receiver and another where he is in motion. By the way both were direct snaps to FWP who gained maybe 2 yards combined on both.

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                        • MeetJoeGreene
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                          • May 2008
                          • 3221

                          #27
                          Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                          Originally posted by fordfixer
                          Originally posted by asiansteel
                          This debate is going around in circles. I have to chime in here (or GONG in here ).... The sentiments regarding Parker's utilization in certain situations is the crux of this argument. Parker's skillset has never been gaining the tough yards or within plays that have run between tackles. He's a home run hitter to the outside when you have guards pulling to the outside and very competent blocking by our beastly TE and our equally beastly blocking WRs Hines/Holmes. He has been outstanding over the years when you consider that we've been using him as our primary ground weapon. This isn't his strong suit.

                          That is why, as fans we should have more confidence in this year's ground game because we have two bruisers in the backfield like Mendy/Russell to punish the defenses... and its an added bonus that both these backs have above average hands... (in the passing game). Mendy still needs time to adjust to the big league pace.... but without a doubt our three headed monster will be extremely effective, even with our so-so line.... when these chess pieces utilized correctly.

                          Here's the problem.... Arians doesn't show even a hint of being a Master Strategist.... so even if he has all this talent, how will that reap us dividends this season. This is where the blame should shift. The proper play called at the proper time using the proper talent, would be a home run for this offense..... and Parker doing his part within the right situation.
                          Good point AS you just may be right.
                          What remains to be seen is how and if Arians will scheme this season. Don't forget, they aren't really doing that much strategy-wise during preseason. They just want to get looks at certain things. I am not brimming with confidence that Arians will be a Master Strategist or even a Medium Strategist, but we just don't know yet.
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                          • BURGH86STEEL
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                            • May 2008
                            • 6921

                            #28
                            Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                            Originally posted by SteelTorch
                            Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
                            Originally posted by stlrz d
                            I'm not saying Mendy won't be a good back...just sayin' back off Parker when Mendy didn't fare much better against the same guys.

                            In the first half he had 2 carries for 4 yards and a fumble lost.

                            [url="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29821&displayPage=tab_play_by_p lay&season=2008&week=PRE3"]http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbypla ... &week=PRE3[/url]

                            Dude, it's not one game. I have been watching this since he has been the starter. He is constantly putting us in third and long all game. Since you will be watching Steeler games in the comfort of your own home this year take a look at Parker and watch how many times he is handed the ball off 2 times in a row for 1 or 2 yards. It is then up to Ben and the offensive line to go out and get a first down. For us to keep teams guessing it is imparative that we have more succesful 1st and 2nd downs and if we do get to 3rd down it needs to be more like 3rd and 3 not 3rd and 8. Then you can go with a run or pass instead of teams knowing you have to pass.

                            Fix 1st and 2nd down production and Ben doesn't come close to 47 sacks this year and we also may start beating teams like the Jets and Cardinals.
                            Sorry, but you have no clue what you're talking about. You do realize that Parker was our MVP in 06, right? I've seen what Parker can do. If he has a decent O-line, he can do great things, but as of right now, he didn't have a great line. But even he started to improve as the game went on.

                            And do I need to remind you that Parker was going against the #1 ranked running defense from last year? Did that little factoid occur to you? Adrian Peterson, WHO AVERAGED 5.6 YPC last year, and was SECOND IN YARDS, only got 21 yards on 12 carries against our defense. Are you going to say he sucks, too?
                            I think the bottom line of why this thread was started is because for whatever reason someone does not like Parker. They want to exclude the fact that no team had much success running against the Vikes last season. Even what most consider to be the best back in the game, LT, did not have much success last season.

                            Parker is one of the better RBs in the league. He has his flaws but what RBs do not? It is sad that people cannot accept Parker for what he is and his accomplishments. It seems as though some people want a superman at RB.

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                            • stlrz d
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 9244

                              #29
                              Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                              Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
                              Arians is a joke too don't get me started on that douche bag. I loved the plays last night with Roethlisberger out as a receiver and another where he is in motion. By the way both were direct snaps to FWP who gained maybe 2 yards combined on both.
                              That was simply to give the Texans (and other opponents) something to think about. I also believe if they do run those plays it'll be with DD taking the snaps. I believe I read on here they plan to use him on some gimmick plays, but only as a QB.

                              As for the 3rd and longs hurting us, I agree. They hurt any team. Where we disagree is who is to blame. I blame the O line for allowing Parker to be hit in the backfield, sometimes by more than one defender, again and again. And I credit Ben (not the O line) and the receivers for bailing us out of a lot of those 3rd and long situations.

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                              • AngryAsian
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                                • May 2008
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                                #30
                                Re: It's official FWP still ..................

                                Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
                                Originally posted by asiansteel
                                This debate is going around in circles. I have to chime in here (or GONG in here ).... The sentiments regarding Parker's utilization in certain situations is the crux of this argument. Parker's skillset has never been gaining the tough yards or within plays that have run between tackles. He's a home run hitter to the outside when you have guards pulling to the outside and very competent blocking by our beastly TE and our equally beastly blocking WRs Hines/Holmes. He has been outstanding over the years when you consider that we've been using him as our primary ground weapon. This isn't his strong suit.

                                That is why, as fans we should have more confidence in this year's ground game because we have two bruisers in the backfield like Mendy/Russell to punish the defenses... and its an added bonus that both these backs have above average hands... (in the passing game). Mendy still needs time to adjust to the big league pace.... but without a doubt our three headed monster will be extremely effective, even with our so-so line.... when these chess pieces utilized correctly.

                                Here's the problem.... Arians doesn't show even a hint of being a Master Strategist.... so even if he has all this talent, how will that reap us dividends this season. This is where the blame should shift. The proper play called at the proper time using the proper talent, would be a home run for this offense..... and Parker doing his part within the right situation.

                                Arians is a joke too don't get me started on that douche bag. I loved the plays last night with Roethlisberger out as a receiver and another where he is in motion. By the way both were direct snaps to FWP who gained maybe 2 yards combined on both.

                                I actually liked those plays, but once again... the "Master Strategist" had his pieces confused. Put Dixon in where Parker was and you have a true threat in the air as well as creating space with his athleticism. I like Parker, but he is a situational back and the moment the coaching staff actually sees this fact, the more production we'll have at the RB position.

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