Cowher on Big Ben..

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Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?

While I don't agree with Ben's suspension as it primarily punishes the fans... If Cowher were to be accused of sexual assualt this year and then next year, decides to party with college girls and takes a really drunk one into a bathroom to fool around and is accused again, he won't just be suspended from CBS, he'll be FIRED- falsely accused or not.

[stlrz d]

Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?

While I don't agree with Ben's suspension as it primarily punishes the fans... If Cowher were to be accused of sexual assualt this year and then next year, decides to party with college girls and takes a really drunk one into a bathroom to fool around and is accused again, he won't just be suspended from CBS, he'll be FIRED- falsely accused or not.

Taking the girl into is part of the accusation.

Stop assuming that what a couple of drunken SoHos say is truth and maybe you'll see the point some of us have been making all along. The whole episode is hearsay...including the bathroom part.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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He was humiliated and then convicted in Goodell's Kangaroo Court.

Hey! No need to bring the Chadman Justice System into this.



I love the picture of Al Everest...err, Captain Kangaroo...in the background. Nice touch.

[Captain Lemming]

Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?

While I don't agree with Ben's suspension as it primarily punishes the fans... If Cowher were to be accused of sexual assualt this year and then next year, decides to party with college girls and takes a really drunk one into a bathroom to fool around and is accused again, he won't just be suspended from CBS, he'll be FIRED- falsely accused or not.

Taking the girl into is part of the accusation.

Stop assuming that what a couple of drunken SoHos say is truth and maybe you'll see the point some of us have been making all along. The whole episode is hearsay...including the bathroom part.

"Some" of us?
You are the only one who takes that crazy stand.

As I have said MANY TIMES if Ben was not in the bathroom he has ZERO reason to not tell the police this FACT.
The contention that there is some "legal" reason he cant talk is silly.
If Ben had no "opportunity" to commit a crime he just says it. He has plenty of witnesses to back him up if that is the case. A room FULL OF WITNESSES TO BACK HIM UP. Yet nobody did that.

He had stinkin BODYGUARDS.
Do you know job one of a bodyguard is?
TO KNOW WHERE BEN IS!!!!
If Ben is not in the bathroom he has witnesses to this fact.

Ben not in the bathroom, no case, no suspension. The fact that he doesnt deny being in the bathroom HELPS the Vegas accuser.

If Ben and his friends simply say he wasnt in the bathroom, none of this chaos happens.

[cruzer8]

Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

[quote=Captain Lemming]

I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?

While I don't agree with Ben's suspension as it primarily punishes the fans... If Cowher were to be accused of sexual assualt this year and then next year, decides to party with college girls and takes a really drunk one into a bathroom to fool around and is accused again, he won't just be suspended from CBS, he'll be FIRED- falsely accused or not.

Taking the girl into is part of the accusation.

Stop assuming that what a couple of drunken SoHos say is truth and maybe you'll see the point some of us have been making all along. The whole episode is hearsay...including the bathroom part.

"Some" of us?
You are the only one who takes that crazy stand.

As I have said MANY TIMES if Ben was not in the bathroom he has ZERO reason to not tell the police this FACT.
The contention that there is some "legal" reason he cant talk is silly.
If Ben had no "opportunity" to commit a crime he just says it. He has plenty of witnesses to back him up if that is the case. A room FULL OF WITNESSES TO BACK HIM UP. Yet nobody did that.

He had stinkin BODYGUARDS.
Do you know job one of a bodyguard is?
TO KNOW WHERE BEN IS!!!!
If Ben is not in the bathroom he has witnesses to this fact.

Ben not in the bathroom, no case, no suspension. The fact that he doesnt deny being in the bathroom HELPS the Vegas accuser.

If Ben and his friends simply say he wasnt in the bathroom, none of this chaos happens.[/quote:301zmybx]

He's not the only one to take that "crazy" stand. There are plenty of people here who are able to look past the headlines. I'm not in the legal profession and I assume you aren't either so if I were you I wouldn't be so presumptious to suppose there is no reason for him to go into any details.

[MCHammer]

Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

To the extent there is a legal reason, at this point it would be relating to whatever settlement he likely reached with the woman. I'm assuming Ben is paying her a lot to go away and not sue him civilly. I'd imagine the terms of any such agreement prevents either side from discussing what did or did not happen.

Apart from legal stuff, the last thing the league or Ben needs is any of this stuff to be part of a public discussion. So don't expect Ben to be bringing it up anytime soon - particularly with a potential 6 game suspension hanging over his head.

By the way, the allegations were not proven false. That is simply an opinion by people who choose to give Ben the benefit of the doubt. He was accused of a crime, but the authorities elected not to bring charges because the evidence was deemed insufficient to lead to a successful prosecution. That's the far cry from being "innocent" or "falsely accused."

None of us were there and only Ben, the girl and a few other people know what really went down.

[grotonsteel]

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[quote=Captain Lemming]

I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?

While I don't agree with Ben's suspension as it primarily punishes the fans... If Cowher were to be accused of sexual assualt this year and then next year, decides to party with college girls and takes a really drunk one into a bathroom to fool around and is accused again, he won't just be suspended from CBS, he'll be FIRED- falsely accused or not.

Taking the girl into is part of the accusation.

Stop assuming that what a couple of drunken SoHos say is truth and maybe you'll see the point some of us have been making all along. The whole episode is hearsay...including the bathroom part.

"Some" of us?
You are the only one who takes that crazy stand.

As I have said MANY TIMES if Ben was not in the bathroom he has ZERO reason to not tell the police this FACT.
The contention that there is some "legal" reason he cant talk is silly.
If Ben had no "opportunity" to commit a crime he just says it. He has plenty of witnesses to back him up if that is the case. A room FULL OF WITNESSES TO BACK HIM UP. Yet nobody did that.

He had stinkin BODYGUARDS.
Do you know job one of a bodyguard is?
TO KNOW WHERE BEN IS!!!!
If Ben is not in the bathroom he has witnesses to this fact.

Ben not in the bathroom, no case, no suspension. The fact that he doesnt deny being in the bathroom HELPS the Vegas accuser.

If Ben and his friends simply say he wasnt in the bathroom, none of this chaos happens.[/quote:1bvsi6ky]

Dude what the hell are you talking...Don't form your opinions based on National Enquirer...

GrotonSteel version of Eminem 8 mile rap battle for Maui:

Didn’t you read the last round Maui?
Pay attention your saying the same stuff that previous Ben Haters said.
Matter a fact dawg, here's a part of the transcript.
Go home, read transcripts, make it suspenseful
and don’t come back until somethin dope hits you.

"Q: Could you talk about the report that one of his bodyguards possibly blocked the place off from her sorority sisters?

A: The Capital City Club has a main dance floor. They have a curtain you can move over and screen it off. They let him and his entourage use what they call the V.I.P. area. So he’s got him and his eight, nine, 10 friends. They did say, ‘Let only girls back here. Let only girls back here.’ Capital City did have one bouncer stationed in front of the black curtain. There were two bodyguards back there. There was just a lot of drinking and talking and socializing back there. The best from a prosecution point of view that we get is one of the – none of the bodyguards or anyone in the entourage talked about Ben being back there by himself with the victim, about any sex, about knowing of any sex, nothing like that – the best from our angle that we get is one of the bodyguards said the victim asked to use the restroom, that she has to use the restroom, and so she was escorted back there and sat on a stool. That’s all he saw. He didn’t see Ben go back there. None of the bodyguards or any of the entourage saw anything improper going on back there between Ben and the victim.

[Sugar]

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[quote=cruzer8]

I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?

While I don't agree with Ben's suspension as it primarily punishes the fans... If Cowher were to be accused of sexual assualt this year and then next year, decides to party with college girls and takes a really drunk one into a bathroom to fool around and is accused again, he won't just be suspended from CBS, he'll be FIRED- falsely accused or not.

Taking the girl into is part of the accusation.

Stop assuming that what a couple of drunken SoHos say is truth and maybe you'll see the point some of us have been making all along. The whole episode is hearsay...including the bathroom part.

"Some" of us?
You are the only one who takes that crazy stand.

As I have said MANY TIMES if Ben was not in the bathroom he has ZERO reason to not tell the police this FACT.
The contention that there is some "legal" reason he cant talk is silly.
If Ben had no "opportunity" to commit a crime he just says it. He has plenty of witnesses to back him up if that is the case. A room FULL OF WITNESSES TO BACK HIM UP. Yet nobody did that.

He had stinkin BODYGUARDS.
Do you know job one of a bodyguard is?
TO KNOW WHERE BEN IS!!!!
If Ben is not in the bathroom he has witnesses to this fact.

Ben not in the bathroom, no case, no suspension. The fact that he doesnt deny being in the bathroom HELPS the Vegas accuser.

If Ben and his friends simply say he wasnt in the bathroom, none of this chaos happens.

He's not the only one to take that "crazy" stand. There are plenty of people here who are able to look past the headlines. I'm not in the legal profession and I assume you aren't either so if I were you I wouldn't be so presumptious to suppose there is no reason for him to go into any details.[/quote:22u1d6dn]

I've been saying this all along as well. It's not like there's just one person on this board taking this view.

[ikestops85]

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[quote=Sugar]

Taking the girl into is part of the accusation.

Stop assuming that what a couple of drunken SoHos say is truth and maybe you'll see the point some of us have been making all along. The whole episode is hearsay...including the bathroom part.

"Some" of us?
You are the only one who takes that crazy stand.

As I have said MANY TIMES if Ben was not in the bathroom he has ZERO reason to not tell the police this FACT.
The contention that there is some "legal" reason he cant talk is silly.
If Ben had no "opportunity" to commit a crime he just says it. He has plenty of witnesses to back him up if that is the case. A room FULL OF WITNESSES TO BACK HIM UP. Yet nobody did that.

He had stinkin BODYGUARDS.
Do you know job one of a bodyguard is?
TO KNOW WHERE BEN IS!!!!
If Ben is not in the bathroom he has witnesses to this fact.

Ben not in the bathroom, no case, no suspension. The fact that he doesnt deny being in the bathroom HELPS the Vegas accuser.

If Ben and his friends simply say he wasnt in the bathroom, none of this chaos happens.

He's not the only one to take that "crazy" stand. There are plenty of people here who are able to look past the headlines. I'm not in the legal profession and I assume you aren't either so if I were you I wouldn't be so presumptious to suppose there is no reason for him to go into any details.

I've been saying this all along as well. It's not like there's just one person on this board taking this view.

[/quote:12fnif3d]

I'm another who takes that "crazy" stand. I just don't feel it is uhm, crazy.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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To the extent there is a legal reason, at this point it would be relating to whatever settlement he likely reached with the woman. I'm assuming Ben is paying her a lot to go away and not sue him civilly. I'd imagine the terms of any such agreement prevents either side from discussing what did or did not happen.

Actually, I doubt very much that Ben is paying her off. Here are my reasons:

1) He was offered a settlement from the Vegas accuser and rejected it. Even if his reason is that it became public, I'm sure he could have gone back privately with an offer for her to go away....but as we all know she has not.

2) A settlement between Ben and the girl would not prevent the authorities from charging him if there was any basis to do so. The authorities never charged him and never asked for his DNA sample. The DA had an obvious hard on for Ben yet had nothing to go after him with.

[quote:dbmml335]Apart from legal stuff, the last thing the league or Ben needs is any of this stuff to be part of a public discussion. So don't expect Ben to be bringing it up anytime soon - particularly with a potential 6 game suspension hanging over his head.

Ben has not made much of a statement on either of these accusations other than to claim innocence. He has taken that stand from the beginning of the Reno accusation........and it has been a public discussion anyway.

By the way, the allegations were not proven false. That is simply an opinion by people who choose to give Ben the benefit of the doubt. He was accused of a crime, but the authorities elected not to bring charges because the evidence was deemed insufficient to lead to a successful prosecution. That's the far cry from being "innocent" or "falsely accused."

You are correct that he has not been "proven" innocent, but there are way too many conflicting reports from eyewitnesses to make the accusations credible. For example, if I accuse you of beating me up by punching me in the face with your left hand then we have an accusation. If my friend then says that he saw you beat me up, that you kicked me with your right foot then we still have an accusation, and you have not been proven innocent.......but I would have very little credibility.
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[MCHammer]

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Actually, I doubt very much that Ben is paying her off. Here are my reasons:

1) He was offered a settlement from the Vegas accuser and rejected it. Even if his reason is that it became public, I'm sure he could have gone back privately with an offer for her to go away....but as we all know she has not.

2) A settlement between Ben and the girl would not prevent the authorities from charging him if there was any basis to do so. The authorities never charged him and never asked for his DNA sample. The DA had an obvious hard on for Ben yet had nothing to go after him with.

Well I don't think Ben's decision-making for the Vegas incident is all that relevant. The McNulty lady seemed a bit crazy and Ben did not deny the sex, it was about whether or not it was consensual. In my opinion, that lawsuit was completely bogus. I recall reading the complaint online and it was unnecessarily detailed and a bit grotesque. The entire thing had gold-digger written on it and I think Ben was trying to defend his name and was genuinely outraged by some of the allegations.

Regarding Milledgeville - you are correct that a settlement would not prevent the authorities from charging him, but it would still probably prevent either Ben or the girl from talking publicly about the incident. The standard for going after somebody in civil court is a lot lower than the beyond a reasonable doubt criminal standard. All she'd need to do is convince a majority of a jury that Ben sexually assaulted her. That's like asking people to decide whether he more likely than not did it.

Regardless. with the NFL upset about this, the season approaching and future endorsements all as considerations - it would be easier to imagine Ben settling with this girl than it is in the Vegas incident.

I would honestly be shocked if Ben wasn't settling this. That girl would have plaintiff attorneys practically knocking down her door with Edgar Snyder-style promises of no fee unless we get money for you, and here we are talking about potentially millions of dollars. If she is telling the truth, she would sue. If she is a liar, well, she'd be the type of person who would sue.

You are correct that he has not been "proven" innocent, but there are way too many conflicting reports from eyewitnesses to make the accusations credible. For example, if I accuse you of beating me up by punching me in the face with your left hand then we have an accusation. If my friend then says that he saw you beat me up, that you kicked me with your right foot then we still have an accusation, and you have not been proven innocent.......but I would have very little credibility.

Maybe. Maybe not. What is credible to you and what is credible to a bare majority of a jury (most likely in rural Georgia) are likely two different things. There is no way of knowing what evidence they would get to hear either. A lot of those statements would be challenged as potentially inadmissible due to hearsay and in the end you might have only limited testimony from the accuser, Ben and some number of witnesses. You might also have info about Ben's past sexual history coming into evidence - including McNulty allegations. The point is in such a trial anything could happen - it is impossible for us to know how it would play out.

[MCHammer]

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Actually, the McNulty stuff was in Tahoe not Vegas.

[cruzer8]

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It has been reported by many sources that the young "lady" in question comes from a wealthy family who did not want all of this aired out in public. So that, coupled with the lack of evidence, would be enough reason for this to have gone away without a settlement.

Could that be true? Yes. Could there have been a settlement? Yes.

Ben has been very adamant in his assertion that he did nothing wrong. I don't think he'd be able to say that if there was a settlement.