Cowher on Big Ben..

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Chadman
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 6537

    Cowher on Big Ben..

    [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-cowher-roethlisberger"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=a ... hlisberger[/url]

    Cowher: Roethlisberger finally showing maturity
    By RACHEL COHEN, AP Sports Writer
    31 minutes ago

    NEW YORK (AP)—Former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher says it was hard to get through to Ben Roethlisberger(notes) after the quarterback had so much success early in his career.

    Yet Cowher believes the sexual assault investigation that led to a six-game suspension for Roethlisberger was a “slap in the face” that has led to some much-needed maturity.

    In an interview with The Associated Press on Tuesday, Cowher described how Roethlisberger used to respond to advice about his off-field behavior. “‘But we’re winning games. We’re winning championships,”’ Cowher recounted. “‘What do you mean? Isn’t that what we’re here to do?”’

    Related Video Worst to first? Worst to first?


    Dallas flameout ahead?

    Favre vs. Rodgers

    ROY candidates
    More NFL Videos AdChoices
    “Yeah,” Cowher said, “but there’s more to it than that.”

    “It’s the whole body of work. It’s you as a person, what kind of legacy you want to leave,” he added. “I really think he understands that now.”

    Cowher coached Roethlisberger during the quarterback’s first three seasons— in Year 2, he became the youngest at the position to win a Super Bowl. Roethlisberger picked up another ring under Mike Tomlin after Cowher retired, only to put his stellar career in jeopardy.

    Roethlisberger was not charged after a Georgia college student accused him of sexual assault, but commissioner Roger Goodell still suspended him for the first six games of the season, citing a “pattern of behavior” embarrassing to the NFL.

    Roethlisberger has said Cowher was one of the people he turned to for advice as he tried to get his life back on track, and that the two are now closer than ever before.

    “Just like with your children, sometimes when you say things to them: ‘Yeah, right.’ They have all the answers,” Cowher said. “All of a sudden, the older they get: ‘Maybe he’s right about that.’

    “I think Ben has had a chance to reflect a lot. I think he’s a good person. While it’s unfortunate, I think it may be an eye-opener to him, kind of a slap in the face.”

    Before the Georgia case, there were earlier incidents, too. Roethlisberger was badly injured in a motorcycle accident while riding without a helmet or a permit after his first Super Bowl victory in 2006. He also is being sued by a woman who says he raped her in 2008 at a Lake Tahoe hotel-casino. Roethlisberger denies the accusation and was not charged. He has claimed counter-damages in a lawsuit.

    Some people mature later than others, Cowher said, and he believes Roethlisberger is a late bloomer.

    “There’s no question as a player he’s always been a great player,” Cowher said. “But there’s a lot more to this professionally than that. It’s how you carry yourself off the field. I think he realizes that now. I really think you’re going to see a different person.”

    Even without Roethlisberger to start the season, Cowher thinks his former team will be just fine because the coaches have time to prepare for the suspension, which could be reduced to four games.

    “I know a lot of players on that team. They need to hear that they can’t do something,” Cowher said. “That always seems to be the impetus to say, ‘OK, we’ll show you.”’

    Since Cowher retired after the 2006 season, the rest of the NFL has wondered whether he’ll show he can coach again. His name seems to come up whenever there is an opening, and Cowher isn’t going to quell that talk.

    “I certainly will look into situations with open ears,” he said.

    For now, he’s an analyst for CBS, which allows him to stay close to the game if he does choose to coach again—or lets him fulfill his football cravings without returning to the field. At the network’s NFL media day Tuesday, he said his new colleagues have become family, just like it was with the Steelers, and he’d only leave for an ideal situation.

    “I’m not sitting there lobbying for any one team,” Cowher said. “You know what? I always thought, you’ll know. When the time comes, you’ll know. Right now the season’s starting, and my thoughts aren’t on coaching. My thoughts are on trying to give great coverage.”

    The familiarity of football season offers comfort for Cowher, whose his wife, Kaye, died of skin cancer a month ago. Cowher said he never considered taking time off.

    “As all our family’s doing right now, we’re all kind of moving on with our lives. It’s the way my wife would have wanted it,” he said. “I’m just very thankful for everybody in America who reached out, sent e-mails, texts, the donations they’ve made to a couple of charities. It’s been very heartfelt, very sincere. I couldn’t be more grateful.”
    The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

    Light up the darkness.
  • Snatch98
    Pro Bowler
    • May 2008
    • 1451

    #2
    Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

    He certainly had a lot of success early and it definitely went to his head. The recent suspension is HARSH but it may very well save his career and our franchise.

    Speaking of Ben a while ago a thread was started that highlighted a bunch of Big Ben statistics like 4th quarter comebacks, yards per pass etc. It was a laundry list. I tried going through my old posts and used the search feature and couldn't find it. Does anyone have that information handy? It was posted a while ago. I believe Dutch was still posting on the regular at that point.

    Comment

    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 27531

      #3
      Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

      Awwwe hell naw... LOL Cowher startin trouble.

      "But we are winning games... Fugh dem hoez coach"

      The last thing we need is another thread about Ben's past.
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

      Comment

      • SteelCrazy
        Legend
        • Aug 2008
        • 5049

        #4
        Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

        good read...Hopefully this is a new beginning in Ben's life and a sign of great things to come, on and off the field.

        2019 Mock

        1. ILB
        2. CB
        3. ILB
        4. S
        5. CB
        6. ILB
        7. S

        Comment

        • Chadman
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6537

          #5
          Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

          Originally posted by feltdizz
          Awwwe hell naw... LOL Cowher startin trouble.

          "But we are winning games... Fugh dem hoez coach"

          The last thing we need is another thread about Ben's past.

          Felt....Chadman didn't get that feeling from reading it at all...more that Cowher is glad that Ben is maturing- thought for the first time that it showed a lot of mutual respect between the two of them after what Chadman always thought had been a somewhat strained relationship.

          That Ben would get in contact with Cowher to discuss his 'path' shows to Chadman that Cowher was & is seen as a mentor/father figure to a lot of the Steelers players- not just an ex-coach.

          Any article that Cowher is involved in is generally decent reading, too.
          The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

          Light up the darkness.

          Comment

          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27531

            #6
            Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

            Originally posted by Chadman
            Originally posted by feltdizz
            Awwwe hell naw... LOL Cowher startin trouble.

            "But we are winning games... Fugh dem hoez coach"

            The last thing we need is another thread about Ben's past.

            Felt....Chadman didn't get that feeling from reading it at all...more that Cowher is glad that Ben is maturing- thought for the first time that it showed a lot of mutual respect between the two of them after what Chadman always thought had been a somewhat strained relationship.

            That Ben would get in contact with Cowher to discuss his 'path' shows to Chadman that Cowher was & is seen as a mentor/father figure to a lot of the Steelers players- not just an ex-coach.

            Any article that Cowher is involved in is generally decent reading, too.
            I agree... I was just joking because anytime a person who knows Ben says something about him in regards to this people tend to get up in arms.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

            Comment

            • SanAntonioSteelerFan
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 8361

              #7
              Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

              I think if Cowher is saying he believes Ben has learned and matured, that is a VERY good thing.


              We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

              HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

              Comment

              • Crash
                Legend
                • Apr 2009
                • 5008

                #8
                Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

                Being suspended without charges is wrong. Period. And I think people need to start realizing this.

                I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?

                Comment

                • SanAntonioSteelerFan
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 8361

                  #9
                  Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

                  Being suspended without charges is wrong. Period. And I think people need to start realizing this.

                  I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?
                  I think this misses the point. This happens all the time - where big bucks are concerned, appearances are everything. Any major executive at any large corporation would be let go, charges or no, if they brought bad publicity on the organization.

                  It's part of the responsibility of being the face of a large corporation - keep your nose clean. Charges have nothing to do with it.

                  I think what Coach Cowher was saying is that Ben is growing up, and beginning to realize that it's more than just about him.


                  We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

                  HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

                  Comment

                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #10
                    Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

                    Originally posted by Crash
                    Being suspended without charges is wrong. Period. And I think people need to start realizing this.

                    I would ask Coach Cowher if he would be willing to sit 6 weeks from CBS with no pay if he was falsely accused of a crime?
                    In a court of law, if one is falsely accused of a crime, that person should fight tooth and nail to prove their innocence. Luckily for Ben, it never got to that point for him.

                    In the workplace, an individual employee's guilt or innocence is not as important to the higher-up as is the potential for negative publicity against the corporation.

                    Ben would be foolish to challenge a suspension from his superiors because he is not guilty of crime. In their minds he is guilty of putting their organization in a poor light as a result of his actions, even if those actions were not criminal.

                    As SASF stated, Ben's best move going forward is simply to keep his nose clean. Continuing to harp on whether or not such a suspension is fair does him absolutely no good whatsoever. Ben seems to be smart enough at this point to simply accept it for what it is and move on. I guess we'll have to wait and see if you ever reach that point yourself.
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

                    Comment

                    • Crash
                      Legend
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 5008

                      #11
                      Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

                      Ben seems to be smart enough at this point to simply accept it for what it is and move on. I guess we'll have to wait and see if you ever reach that point yourself.
                      I don't think Ben "accepted" anything.

                      I think he was TOLD to accept it by the Rooney's.

                      You hear it in recent interviews when people ask him about his suspension, and players who have been charged, some guilty, and not suspended.

                      He's giving a no comment, but you can tell by the tone of his voice that he wants to RIP Goodell in the press for what he did to him.

                      And at some point down the road I think he will.

                      Goodell made a bad situation much worse.

                      Comment

                      • Captain Lemming
                        Legend
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 16041

                        #12
                        Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

                        Originally posted by Crash
                        Ben seems to be smart enough at this point to simply accept it for what it is and move on. I guess we'll have to wait and see if you ever reach that point yourself.
                        I don't think Ben "accepted" anything.

                        I think he was TOLD to accept it by the Rooney's.

                        You hear it in recent interviews when people ask him about his suspension, and players who have been charged, some guilty, and not suspended.

                        He's giving a no comment, but you can tell by the tone of his voice that he wants to RIP Goodell in the press for what he did to him.

                        And at some point down the road I think he will.

                        Goodell made a bad situation much worse.
                        Great article.
                        While you seem to "know" what Ben is thinking and that he is bitter, Cowher has spoken to the man and seems to confirm the notion that Ben "is maturing" as a result and has benefited from the firm way his case has been handled.

                        I think many of you "defenders" are projecting your thought of how "you" would feel.

                        Ben seems to be handling things well, it is refreshing to see. I really respect him for it.

                        It is great that Ben has people like Cowher who will give him great fatherly advice and having been humbled, he "wants" such advice now.

                        It seems to me that people in the know see how Ben who actually HAVE SPOKEN TO BEN know better than our friends here who THINK they know what is going on in his head.

                        I am so excited that Ben is growing up. Lean and mean, not acting like a 20 year old frat boy distracted.
                        I think he will go from very good to SCARY good.
                        sigpic



                        In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                        TCFCLTC-
                        The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

                        Comment

                        • Crash
                          Legend
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 5008

                          #13
                          Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

                          Bouchette has spoken to Ben also. Numerous times in fact, and he stated recently that he feels that Ben feels Goodell is picking on him a little bit.

                          I can see why Ben would feel that way after other players are let off the hook.

                          Ben could have gone though the NFL evaluations, been told to clean up his life, without being suspended.

                          And I think he would have done it just the same.

                          Suspending him helps not one bit. It scars him for life in the court of public opinion.

                          Ben wasn't humbled. He was humiliated and then convicted in Goodell's Kangaroo Court.

                          Comment

                          • Scarletfire1970
                            Pro Bowler
                            • May 2008
                            • 1138

                            #14
                            Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

                            Originally posted by Crash
                            Bouchette has spoken to Ben also. Numerous times in fact, and he stated recently that he feels that Ben feels Goodell is picking on him a little bit.

                            I can see why Ben would feel that way after other players are let off the hook.

                            Ben could have gone though the NFL evaluations, been told to clean up his life, without being suspended.

                            And I think he would have done it just the same.

                            Suspending him helps not one bit. It scars him for life in the court of public opinion.

                            Ben wasn't humbled. He was humiliated and then convicted in Goodell's Kangaroo Court.
                            This is true.

                            Comment

                            • BURGH86STEEL
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 6921

                              #15
                              Re: Cowher on Big Ben..

                              Originally posted by Crash
                              Bouchette has spoken to Ben also. Numerous times in fact, and he stated recently that he feels that Ben feels Goodell is picking on him a little bit.

                              I can see why Ben would feel that way after other players are let off the hook.

                              Ben could have gone though the NFL evaluations, been told to clean up his life, without being suspended.

                              And I think he would have done it just the same.

                              Suspending him helps not one bit. It scars him for life in the court of public opinion.

                              Ben wasn't humbled. He was humiliated and then convicted in Goodell's Kangaroo Court.
                              As I stated before, I believe this was a decision that was made mostly by the organization. The organization felt Ben was a hard head that did not listen to good advice. I believe Ben was told to clean up his life or change his ways by the organization on several occasions. Appears to me he did not listen.

                              Forget Goodell, his lack of punishment towards other players speaks that this was what the organization wanted. Goodell may not had suspended Ben at all if it was only up to Goodell.

                              Based on Ben's history, he would not had change without meaningful punishment. He would had probably gone on with his life as usual. Who knows where that would had taken Ben. Might be jail or somewhere else if he did not change his ways.

                              I think the suspension helped him to realize some things about himself. Sometimes humiliation is a good time to do a self evaluation. It seems that many that know him better agree with that line of thinking. Some seem to be so focused on what they perceive to be negative(suspension) that they fail to consider the long term positive outcome. That is my focus. Can't change what's been done.

                              Comment

                              Working...