And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

[Dee Dub]

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Oh I read it and my reading comprehension is just fine. Suggesting that the Bengals are prison inmate recruiters is a form of smack talk...and not to be taken literally by sensitive folk.

I agree, but people DO take it literally, and that is the problem. And also why I stated that I hate when the media promotes that angle. You are taking a giant leap by implying that a simple criticism of one form of Bengal "smack talk" ultimately incorporates and prohibits all smack talk.

I share no love for the Bengals, but I'm not gonna criticize them for having troubled players when the Steelers have similar problems of their own.

One difference...we don't seek them out.

And you think the Steelers double standard with regards to their own criminal offenders is any better?

Yes...I hope that helps.

Steelers>Bengals

I have to agree with Shawn Med (not to be confused with Club Med---if it were--I wouldnt want to vacation there ), on this one.

The Steelers do not seek out bad character players and they have made a stance regarding their own players---Ben and Santonio to name the most recent. This is something the Bengals do not do....and as a result, combined with other terrible personnel decisions...do not win championships...the Steelers do.

[Dee Dub]

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Oh and just to add.....the Jets are the next to team to fall as a result of bringing in bad character players. Bank on it.

[Jom112]

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I have to agree with Shawn Med (not to be confused with Club Med---if it were--I wouldnt want to vacation there ), on this one.

The Steelers do not seek out bad character players and they have made a stance regarding their own players---Ben and Santonio to name the most recent. This is something the Bengals do not do....and as a result, combined with other terrible personnel decisions...do not win championships...the Steelers do.

I don't agree with a lot of the decisions the F.O. makes but the Steelers do sign troubled players as well. Santonio Holmes definitely had a lot of red flags when you guys drafted him...

[Djfan]

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I have to agree with Shawn Med (not to be confused with Club Med---if it were--I wouldnt want to vacation there ), on this one.

The Steelers do not seek out bad character players and they have made a stance regarding their own players---Ben and Santonio to name the most recent. This is something the Bengals do not do....and as a result, combined with other terrible personnel decisions...do not win championships...the Steelers do.

I don't agree with a lot of the decision the F.O. makes but the Steelers do sign troubled players as well. Santonio Holmes definitely had a lot of red flags when you guys drafted him...

Agreed. I also rememeber that we passed over Dan Marino in the draft. The rumors were that the reason was because of his supposed pot smoking in college, or something like that.

[steelblood]

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I really don't see why people feel the need to dig this issue up.

because the Bengals just signed one of the biggest idiots of all time in Pacman Jones?

There is a difference between pointing out that the Bengals signed an idiot and suggesting that they are prison inmate recruiters, as the title of this thread implies. I'm not criticizing anyone discussing this on a forum, I just have an issue with the media pushing this type of propaganda. The guy is irrelevant, and as far as I know, every troubled player they have picked up has pretty much been irrelevant. Its just not worth it.

The Bengals are signing UFAs and spending high draft picks on players with very questionable work ethic and/or character and high talent. This is interesting and can be discussed. Not all of these players are "irrelevant" as you suggest (Rey Maluaga for example). Several played important roles on the team. Some have been quite successful. Why do you feel the need to be so dismissive? Join another discussion if you don't like this one.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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I have to agree with Shawn Med (not to be confused with Club Med---if it were--I wouldnt want to vacation there ), on this one.

The Steelers do not seek out bad character players and they have made a stance regarding their own players---Ben and Santonio to name the most recent. This is something the Bengals do not do....and as a result, combined with other terrible personnel decisions...do not win championships...the Steelers do.

I don't agree with a lot of the decision the F.O. makes but the Steelers do sign troubled players as well. Santonio Holmes definitely had a lot of red flags when you guys drafted him...

Agreed. I also rememeber that we passed over Dan Marino in the draft. The rumors were that the reason was because of his supposed pot smoking in college, or something like that.

There were unsubstantiated rumors about Dan Marino and cocaine while at Pitt.

[Pahn711]

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The Bengals are signing UFAs and spending high draft picks on players with very questionable work ethic and/or character and high talent. This is interesting and can be discussed. Not all of these players are "irrelevant" as you suggest (Rey Maluaga for example). Several played important roles on the team. Some have been quite successful. Why do you feel the need to be so dismissive? Join another discussion if you don't like this one.

Rey Maluaga? Thats the best you can do? Hes a second round pick, thats the extent of his relevance.

My point was that none of these guys they've picked up have become superstars or pushed their team to the Superbowl. So they are getting way more attention than they deserve.

[Shawn]

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I have to agree with Shawn Med (not to be confused with Club Med---if it were--I wouldnt want to vacation there ), on this one.

The Steelers do not seek out bad character players and they have made a stance regarding their own players---Ben and Santonio to name the most recent. This is something the Bengals do not do....and as a result, combined with other terrible personnel decisions...do not win championships...the Steelers do.

I don't agree with a lot of the decisions the F.O. makes but the Steelers do sign troubled players as well. Santonio Holmes definitely had a lot of red flags when you guys drafted him...

Really? Red flags? Jom we are not talking about drafting guys with some question marks we are talking about signing players with significant criminal records.

As for Santonio the main question mark that surrounded him involved him fathering children with different mothers. He had no significant problems while at OSU.

[steelblood]

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The Bengals are signing UFAs and spending high draft picks on players with very questionable work ethic and/or character and high talent. This is interesting and can be discussed. Not all of these players are "irrelevant" as you suggest (Rey Maluaga for example). Several played important roles on the team. Some have been quite successful. Why do you feel the need to be so dismissive? Join another discussion if you don't like this one.

Rey Maluaga? Thats the best you can do? Hes a second round pick, thats the extent of his relevance.

My point was that none of these guys they've picked up have become superstars or pushed their team to the Superbowl. So they are getting way more attention than they deserve.

So, unless a player takes his team to the Super Bowl, he is pointless and not worth discussing? That is ridiculous.

[Djfan]

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I have to agree with Shawn Med (not to be confused with Club Med---if it were--I wouldnt want to vacation there ), on this one.

The Steelers do not seek out bad character players and they have made a stance regarding their own players---Ben and Santonio to name the most recent. This is something the Bengals do not do....and as a result, combined with other terrible personnel decisions...do not win championships...the Steelers do.

I don't agree with a lot of the decision the F.O. makes but the Steelers do sign troubled players as well. Santonio Holmes definitely had a lot of red flags when you guys drafted him...

Agreed. I also rememeber that we passed over Dan Marino in the draft. The rumors were that the reason was because of his supposed pot smoking in college, or something like that.

There were unsubstantiated rumors about Dan Marino and cocaine while at Pitt.

I knew that they were unsubstantiated, but didn't know it was cocaine. Man, I wish we had chosen differently.

[Pahn711]

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So, unless a player takes his team to the Super Bowl, he is pointless and not worth discussing? That is ridiculous.

What I said applies only to the Bengals situation, don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say it like that. Thats your interpretation.

I'm just pointing out that its not like the Bengals have had huge success by bringing in these types of players. If they did, I could see alot more merit in being annoyed with them.

[Pahn711]

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I have to agree with Shawn Med (not to be confused with Club Med---if it were--I wouldnt want to vacation there ), on this one.

The Steelers do not seek out bad character players and they have made a stance regarding their own players---Ben and Santonio to name the most recent. This is something the Bengals do not do....and as a result, combined with other terrible personnel decisions...do not win championships...the Steelers do.

I don't agree with a lot of the decisions the F.O. makes but the Steelers do sign troubled players as well. Santonio Holmes definitely had a lot of red flags when you guys drafted him...

Really? Red flags? Jom we are not talking about drafting guys with some question marks we are talking about signing players with significant criminal records.

As for Santonio the main question mark that surrounded him involved him fathering children with different mothers. He had no significant problems while at OSU.

Unfortunately I think it went deeper than that. Wasn't he once a drug dealer? And I read several articles after he was released that the Steelers were concerned about his character before they drafted him, and particularly worried about what he would do going from extreme poverty to being a millionaire.


Which makes me ask the question, if these sources were true and the Steelers did have these concerns, why the hell would they pay the high price of trading up for him?

[steelblood]

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So, unless a player takes his team to the Super Bowl, he is pointless and not worth discussing? That is ridiculous.

What I said applies only to the Bengals situation, don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say it like that. Thats your interpretation.

I'm just pointing out that its not like the Bengals have had huge success by bringing in these types of players. If they did, I could see alot more merit in being annoyed with them.

That is exactly what you are saying. You are dismissing an entire discussion because (as you say) players that don't help win a super bowl are irrelevant. Rey M. was a very good starter this year and has good potential. But since he wasn't a first round pick and hasn't won a Super Bowl, you say he is irrelevant. That is a sad, sorry argument. You can't apply a different standard to each discussion and expect to gain credibility.

[steelblood]

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I have to agree with Shawn Med (not to be confused with Club Med---if it were--I wouldnt want to vacation there ), on this one.

The Steelers do not seek out bad character players and they have made a stance regarding their own players---Ben and Santonio to name the most recent. This is something the Bengals do not do....and as a result, combined with other terrible personnel decisions...do not win championships...the Steelers do.

I don't agree with a lot of the decisions the F.O. makes but the Steelers do sign troubled players as well. Santonio Holmes definitely had a lot of red flags when you guys drafted him...

Really? Red flags? Jom we are not talking about drafting guys with some question marks we are talking about signing players with significant criminal records.

As for Santonio the main question mark that surrounded him involved him fathering children with different mothers. He had no significant problems while at OSU.

Unfortunately I think it went deeper than that. Wasn't he once a drug dealer? And I read several articles after he was released that the Steelers were concerned about his character before they drafted him, and particularly worried about what he would do going from extreme poverty to being a millionaire.


Which makes me ask the question, if these sources were true and the Steelers did have these concerns, why the hell would they pay the high price of trading up for him?

To win a Super Bowl
(by your own logic)

[Pahn711]

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So, unless a player takes his team to the Super Bowl, he is pointless and not worth discussing? That is ridiculous.

What I said applies only to the Bengals situation, don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say it like that. Thats your interpretation.

I'm just pointing out that its not like the Bengals have had huge success by bringing in these types of players. If they did, I could see alot more merit in being annoyed with them.

That is exactly what you are saying. You are dismissing an entire discussion because (as you say) players that don't help win a super bowl are irrelevant. Rey M. was a very good starter this year and has good potential. But since he wasn't a first round pick and hasn't won a Super Bowl, you say he is irrelevant. That is a sad, sorry argument. You can't apply a different standard to each discussion and expect to gain credibility.

....Fine, I still contend that this was not what I was trying to imply, but this is a silly argument. I fold. And if I were looking for credibility, it would not be among fans with their own opinions, right or wrong.

Go Steelers!