And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

[Shawn]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

I really don't see why people feel the need to dig this issue up.

because the Bengals just signed one of the biggest idiots of all time in Pacman Jones?

There is a difference between pointing out that the Bengals signed an idiot and suggesting that they are prison inmate recruiters, as the title of this thread implies. I'm not criticizing anyone discussing this on a forum, I just have an issue with the media pushing this type of propaganda. The guy is irrelevant, and as far as I know, every troubled player they have picked up has pretty much been irrelevant. Its just not worth it.

Seriously? I like Jom as much as the next guy. But, if you can't talk smack about your division rivals...what has this world come to?

[Jom112]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

I really don't see why people feel the need to dig this issue up.

because the Bengals just signed one of the biggest idiots of all time in Pacman Jones?

There is a difference between pointing out that the Bengals signed an idiot and suggesting that they are prison inmate recruiters, as the title of this thread implies. I'm not criticizing anyone discussing this on a forum, I just have an issue with the media pushing this type of propaganda. The guy is irrelevant, and as far as I know, every troubled player they have picked up has pretty much been irrelevant. Its just not worth it.

Seriously? I like Jom as much as the next guy. But, if you can't talk smack about your division rivals...what has this world come to?

I knew it!


Anyway, I'll say this. The one guy I'll give Mike Brown credit for is Chris Henry (However unfortunate it ended up). Everyone gave up on him, and Mike Brown truly did feel bad that he was out of work. There was a lot of time from various people in the organization from Eric Ball the director of security to Rock Oliver the strength & conditioning coach, who spent extra time getting Henry and the right path and turning his life around.

If that same approach can be applied to Pacman (If he shows that he really does want to change), then I can somewhat support it.

But the majority of players we do bring in with troubled paths, we don't really go out of our way to help. Either you start producing like Benson and stay on the team or you don't like a number of other players and you get cut.

Also, we are division rivals, we should laugh at stupid things like this. Freakin Pacman Jones...

[Pahn711]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

I really don't see why people feel the need to dig this issue up.

because the Bengals just signed one of the biggest idiots of all time in Pacman Jones?

There is a difference between pointing out that the Bengals signed an idiot and suggesting that they are prison inmate recruiters, as the title of this thread implies. I'm not criticizing anyone discussing this on a forum, I just have an issue with the media pushing this type of propaganda. The guy is irrelevant, and as far as I know, every troubled player they have picked up has pretty much been irrelevant. Its just not worth it.

Seriously? I like Jom as much as the next guy. But, if you can't talk smack about your division rivals...what has this world come to?

...You obviously didn't make much of an attempt to read what I said. In no way did I imply that we couldn't talk smack on the bengals. I just gave my opinion, for what little it is worth anyways.

[Shawn]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

Oh I read it and my reading comprehension is just fine. Suggesting that the Bengals are prison inmate recruiters is a form of smack talk...and not to be taken literally by sensitive folk.

[Pahn711]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

Oh I read it and my reading comprehension is just fine. Suggesting that the Bengals are prison inmate recruiters is a form of smack talk...and not to be taken literally by sensitive folk.

I agree, but people DO take it literally, and that is the problem. And also why I stated that I hate when the media promotes that angle. You are taking a giant leap by implying that a simple criticism of one form of Bengal "smack talk" ultimately incorporates and prohibits all smack talk.

I share no love for the Bengals, but I'm not gonna criticize them for having troubled players when the Steelers have similar problems of their own.

[Shawn]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

Oh I read it and my reading comprehension is just fine. Suggesting that the Bengals are prison inmate recruiters is a form of smack talk...and not to be taken literally by sensitive folk.

I agree, but people DO take it literally, and that is the problem. And also why I stated that I hate when the media promotes that angle. You are taking a giant leap by implying that a simple criticism of one form of Bengal "smack talk" ultimately incorporates and prohibits all smack talk.

I share no love for the Bengals, but I'm not gonna criticize them for having troubled players when the Steelers have similar problems of their own.

One difference...we don't seek them out.

[Pahn711]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

Oh I read it and my reading comprehension is just fine. Suggesting that the Bengals are prison inmate recruiters is a form of smack talk...and not to be taken literally by sensitive folk.

I agree, but people DO take it literally, and that is the problem. And also why I stated that I hate when the media promotes that angle. You are taking a giant leap by implying that a simple criticism of one form of Bengal "smack talk" ultimately incorporates and prohibits all smack talk.

I share no love for the Bengals, but I'm not gonna criticize them for having troubled players when the Steelers have similar problems of their own.

One difference...we don't seek them out.

And you think the Steelers double standard with regards to their own criminal offenders is any better?

[Shawn]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

Oh I read it and my reading comprehension is just fine. Suggesting that the Bengals are prison inmate recruiters is a form of smack talk...and not to be taken literally by sensitive folk.

I agree, but people DO take it literally, and that is the problem. And also why I stated that I hate when the media promotes that angle. You are taking a giant leap by implying that a simple criticism of one form of Bengal "smack talk" ultimately incorporates and prohibits all smack talk.

I share no love for the Bengals, but I'm not gonna criticize them for having troubled players when the Steelers have similar problems of their own.

One difference...we don't seek them out.

And you think the Steelers double standard with regards to their own criminal offenders is any better?

Yes...I hope that helps.

Steelers>Bengals

[Pahn711]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

Oh I read it and my reading comprehension is just fine. Suggesting that the Bengals are prison inmate recruiters is a form of smack talk...and not to be taken literally by sensitive folk.

I agree, but people DO take it literally, and that is the problem. And also why I stated that I hate when the media promotes that angle. You are taking a giant leap by implying that a simple criticism of one form of Bengal "smack talk" ultimately incorporates and prohibits all smack talk.

I share no love for the Bengals, but I'm not gonna criticize them for having troubled players when the Steelers have similar problems of their own.

One difference...we don't seek them out.

And you think the Steelers double standard with regards to their own criminal offenders is any better?

Steelers>Bengals

Now there is something we can agree on.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

Even for team like Bengals, signing Pacman Jones makes no sense


Bengals aren't only club dealing in miscreants; but they're perfecting the model.
Maybe Cincy will come to senses, pass on Pacman ... nope, they're the Bengals


Troubled cornerback Pacman Jones hasn't played in the NFL since being cut by the Cowboys in 2008.



The Cincinnati Bengals are on the verge of signing Pacman Jones even though they don't need a backup cornerback and they already have enough players who can return kicks. Last year went too well for the Bengals, who won the AFC North and avoided clogging the judicial system. They needed to change things up, to get back to who they were five years ago when half their roster was auditioning for Cops.

Sometimes as a sportswriter I get confused. Which player beat up his girlfriend again? Was it the guy whose posse fired shots inside the Las Vegas strip club or the guy who resisted arrest and had to be handcuffed after cops clocked him driving 100? Are they related to the quarterback who had sex with a coed in a nightclub bathroom?

The Bengals aren't the only club that deals in miscreants. They're just perfecting the model. Before their pursuit of Pacman Jones, they signed receiver Antonio Bryant for four years and $28 million. Bryant is no Pacman. He has been suspended only once, four games in 2006, for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. Of course, Bryant also sat out the entire '07 season rather than subject himself to league drug testing.
Earlier this offseason, Cincinnati landed wideout Matt Jones, whose three-game league suspension came in 2008. Properly humbled, Jones was arrested again last March, after a failed drug test violated the terms of his probation.

In this year's draft, the Bengals took Carlos Dunlap, a defensive end from Florida who was suspended for last year's SEC title game after being charged with DUI five days before the game.

Mother, make it stop.

Why the Bengals would throw another lifeline to Pacman is a mystery, even for them. They have two corners on the verge of stardom, Johnathan Joseph and Leon Hall. They thought highly enough of another corner, Brandon Ghee, to spend a third-round draft choice on him last month. Their other backups, Morgan Trent and David Jones, played frequently last year, on the league's fourth-ranked defense.

If they want Pacman to return punts, he needs to do better than average five yards an attempt, which he did in Dallas the last time he played, in 2008. The Bengals were second in the league in punt returns, averaging 11.9 yards.

You can take questionable players. Every team does. You don't have to collect them like bobbleheads. You don't have to wallow in them.

Why players get multiple chances to screw up is obvious: Winning. There's more to it than that, though. Ben Roethlisberger's lawyer provided a glimpse.

After Roethlisberger met with commissioner Roger Goodell, and before Goodell suspended the Steelers' quarterback, David Cornwell wrote a letter to Goodell. SI's Peter King obtained a copy this week. Cornwell suggested Goodell do more than simply suspend Roethlisberger:

"I am unable to discern a link between a suspension and any useful lesson that would tend to alter Ben's conduct,'' Cornwell wrote.

Fair enough. Goodell might have considered that in his ruling: Six game suspension, plus a behavioral evaluation and counseling.

Then Cornwell got it badly wrong.

"(Roethlisberger's) passion for football and the remarkable success resulting from his commitment to the game necessarily means that he has compromised his development in other areas. No person has unlimited capacity.''

Oh. OK.

This takes us to a new level of understanding, on the subject of misbehavior in the NFL: To become a great football player requires such "commitment'' that other aspects of your life suffer. Or, you know, disappear altogether. Such as being a decent human being.

The dogged pursuit of football excellence requires some tradeoffs. How can a man who spends hours studying film be expected not to force himself on young women?

Allegedly.

It's a tradeoff. You can't be a civil human being and a great NFL player at the same time. You have to choose. Good human/good player. Human/player. After all, no person has unlimited capacity.

Why didn't Pacman think of this?

"I'm sorry I was arrested six times and involved with cops a total of 12 times. I'm sorry I was once suspended for 22 out of a possible 28 games. And, you know, if I'm in a Vegas strip club throwing dollar bills at the dancers, then I get mad when the dancers take the money and a little scrap ensues and a club employee gets shot and paralyzed as a result, well, it's because I'm a football player doing the best I can in my chosen profession and sometimes that doesn't leave a lot of time for me to work on, you know, my personal game plan.''

Apparently, anyone who devotes his life to a single-minded pursuit of excellence can be excused for acting like a caveman. When I sit down to craft the Great American Novel, I will keep that in mind.

In the meantime, the Cincinnati Bengals are on the verge of signing Pacman Jones, the embodiment of athletic diligence, evidently. Either that or he's just a troubled guy who keeps getting chances. Maybe the Bengals will come to their senses and allow Pacman the privilege of playing football elsewhere.

Or maybe they won't. These are the Bengals' senses. Never mind.

Paul Daugherty is a columnist for The Cincinnati Enquirer.


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[Shawn]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

That writer states...

"(Roethlisberger's) passion for football and the remarkable success resulting from his commitment to the game necessarily means that he has compromised his development in other areas. No person has unlimited capacity.''

Oh. OK.

This takes us to a new level of understanding, on the subject of misbehavior in the NFL: To become a great football player requires such "commitment'' that other aspects of your life suffer. Or, you know, disappear altogether. Such as being a decent human being.

What the writer doesn't understand is Ben's lawyer makes a valid point in certain individuals. Some individuals have a stunted maturation process due to early success, fame, intensive training etc. They never had to develop the tools that many of us have to develop to survive.

Have you ever noticed the 10/10 knock out who is a total byotch, thinks the world revolves around her, self centered...me me me? There is a reason for that. Society treats beautiful people and talented people differently. They tend to have less negative consequences to poor behavior and never develop the tools to be a proper human being.

In no way is that an excuse for boorish behavior. But, it's important to study cause so that you can aid a person's development. If Ben's accident isn't the cause of his poor behavior then this likely is. Sorting through the cause will aid those helping Ben develop those tools.

[Pahn711]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

That writer states...

"(Roethlisberger's) passion for football and the remarkable success resulting from his commitment to the game necessarily means that he has compromised his development in other areas. No person has unlimited capacity.''

Oh. OK.

This takes us to a new level of understanding, on the subject of misbehavior in the NFL: To become a great football player requires such "commitment'' that other aspects of your life suffer. Or, you know, disappear altogether. Such as being a decent human being.

What the writer doesn't understand is Ben's lawyer makes a valid point in certain individuals. Some individuals have a stunted maturation process due to early success, fame, intensive training etc. They never had to develop the tools that many of us have to develop to survive.

Have you ever noticed the 10/10 knock out who is a total byotch, thinks the world revolves around her, self centered...me me me? There is a reason for that. Society treats beautiful people and talented people differently. They tend to have less negative consequences to poor behavior and never develop the tools to be a proper human being.

In no way is that an excuse for boorish behavior. But, it's important to study cause so that you can aid a person's development. If Ben's accident isn't the cause of his poor behavior then this likely is. Sorting through the cause will aid those helping Ben develop those tools.

I still prefer the "hit in the head one too many times" excuse myself.

[Jom112]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

What the writer doesn't understand

The writer is Paul Daugherty. He doesn't understand a lot of things, which makes him a perfect fit for SI...

[frankthetank1]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

pacman isnt even that good of a CB

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: And the Beat goes on for the Bengals...

To some degree, I believe that Mike Brown really embraces troubled players because he feels for them and wants to give them a chance. And, to some degree, I believe that Mike Brown really embraces troubled players because they are the most talented players at their draft spot, or they are the best bargains in free agency. Either way, he is an idiot for putting so many guys with questionable work ethic and shady pasts in the same locker room. If the Bengals win the Super Bowl any time soon, there really is no justice in the world and/or the Bengals coaching staff should be called the best in football.

I believe it is more the latter than the former.

He's bargain-hunting...plain and simple. Like a guy going to a discount factory outlet store and buying a designer pair of jeans that would typically cost $90 in stores, but he is able to get it for $15 instead because of some imperfection (like the zipper doesn't work).

He sees a guy with first round talent still available in the 5th round? Bargain! Athleticism trumps all those DUI's. He sees a guy with Pro Bowl level raw ability but was cut by multiple teams and is not garnering any interest on the open market? I only have to pay a 6-figure veteran minimum salary instead of an 8-figure signing bonus? Bargain! Talent trumps all those run-ins with the law.

He probably realizes that most of these guys will flame out, so he figures that if he signs a half dozen of these type of guys, perhaps one might live up to his potential. However, he refuses to acknowledge the effect that having so many guys like this could have on his locker room, and that will be his team's ultimate downfall.