Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

I think he can still play and win. Period.

Dixon has plenty of time ahead of him. I honestly think he is the future of the Steelers. The young man has a lot of talent.

Dixon has a bright future, but i believe Leftwich provides us with a better chance to win NOW...Lefty will be our Opening Day starter.

[Sugar]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

I'm a Steeler fan as well and dont like the way Ben has brought down my team so excuse me if I am a little hard on him. There is no excuse for his behavior and quite frankly I wish he was gone. I hope to God that Lefty plays well and they Bench Ben. Ben is a loose cannon, dumb and a perv. BAD CHARACTER GUY

Funny, I'm a Steeler fan as well and have no problem with Ben at all. I'm glad he's our QB and the best in franchise history. Remember how dumb TB was to the Nation at the time? If being dumb wins us SB's then fine with me. I really don't have any real problem with what we actually know he did either.

I guess fans see things differently.

[SS Laser]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

This hehatesben guy is a
He says I value Ben over tha steelers. Well untill Ben does not have BLACK AND GOLD on every sunday then yes I support him as a steeler![/quote]

Funny Tomlin has on Black and Gold every Sunday but he doesnt share the SAME support. When he wins "He won with Cowhers team" but its ironic that he doesnt lose with Cowhers teams. The wins are Cowhers but the losses are his own.
Ben consistent Steelers Nation. If you are going to SUPPORT STEELERS, then SUPPORT them all or you will seem like a hypocrite.

Find were I have ever said I do not support anyone that wears BLACK and GOLD? I like Tomlin. I don't mind BA. But I think a different coach would help Ben.
I don't speak for all of steeler nation.
I have never said he won with Cowhers team? I am no hypocrite.
Heck if say Ward has some hammy issues I would take TO.

[HeHateMe]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

Well, it looks to me that Francisco was reading Ben, because he was way the hell off of Tone. I thought that he reacted to Ben's pump fake (which does work, that is why they do it), but you are right, he did fall after Tone caught the ball. Whatever. You aren't going to give Ben any credit for anything good he has done, attributing it to luck, but are quick to point out anything that he has done wrong. Like they say opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one. I guess we'll agree to disagree on this.

A Pump fake is used to MOVE the saftey. NO DB is going to fall Because of a pump fake. Thats HYPERBOLE at its finest. Ben pumped before he threw the ball. Why wasnt he already on the ground IF it was from Ben? No. It was due to TONE as the footage clearly shows. I do give Ben credit. Have you seen me call him a bum? Have I said he SUCKS? I have repeatedly said "Ben is good" but he is NOT great. Ben is good BECAUSE he is on the Steelers. So is Leftwich. How did he look in Tampa? TERRIBLE. You will see how good our team makes a qb look when Byron leads us to a good record to start the season. We wont miss a beat without Ben. Save this post and call me on it.

you know, you actually seem like a very intelligent and knowledgeable poster. have you considered softening your approach and delivery so instead of offending others you would contribute in a positive fashion to this Board?

Soften it in what regard? Am I calling other posters a Troll, a punk a Bleep? No I am not. However, that is what is being said to me. But I need to soften my stance? Ok

[HeHateMe]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

I'm a Steeler fan as well and dont like the way Ben has brought down my team so excuse me if I am a little hard on him. There is no excuse for his behavior and quite frankly I wish he was gone. I hope to God that Lefty plays well and they Bench Ben. Ben is a loose cannon, dumb and a perv. BAD CHARACTER GUY

Funny, I'm a Steeler fan as well and have no problem with Ben at all. I'm glad he's our QB and the best in franchise history. Remember how dumb TB was to the Nation at the time? If being dumb wins us SB's then fine with me. I really don't have any real problem with what we actually know he did either.

I guess fans see things differently.

I'm sure you don't HOWEVER, It Leftwich was our Starter (with 2 rings) and he got accused of rape TWICE in a year and embarrased our team, I'm SURE you wouldnt feel the same way. You see we tend to be more critical of another race than our own. We tend to give our own race a pass because they look like us. Human nature but its not right. I on the other hand take the race element out of it and perhaps you have as well. But alot of my buddies who are fans have not. I network with thousands of Steeler fans and they make my point with their no tolerance stance with Tomlin but Ben gets every break in the book by them. I hold a mirror to their face all the time. Bradshshaw was not dumb. The only TEAM that said that was the Raiders to get under his skin. Similarly they called Franco and Swann soft. The fact that you call Ben the BEST qb in our history tells me all I need to know about you. The fact that you excuse Ben's behavior tells me the rest.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

Well, it looks to me that Francisco was reading Ben, because he was way the hell off of Tone. I thought that he reacted to Ben's pump fake (which does work, that is why they do it), but you are right, he did fall after Tone caught the ball. Whatever. You aren't going to give Ben any credit for anything good he has done, attributing it to luck, but are quick to point out anything that he has done wrong. Like they say opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one. I guess we'll agree to disagree on this.

A Pump fake is used to MOVE the saftey. NO DB is going to fall Because of a pump fake. Thats HYPERBOLE at its finest. Ben pumped before he threw the ball. Why wasnt he already on the ground IF it was from Ben? No. It was due to TONE as the footage clearly shows. I do give Ben credit. Have you seen me call him a bum? Have I said he SUCKS? I have repeatedly said "Ben is good" but he is NOT great. Ben is good BECAUSE he is on the Steelers. So is Leftwich. How did he look in Tampa? TERRIBLE. You will see how good our team makes a qb look when Byron leads us to a good record to start the season. We wont miss a beat without Ben. Save this post and call me on it.

you know, you actually seem like a very intelligent and knowledgeable poster. have you considered softening your approach and delivery so instead of offending others you would contribute in a positive fashion to this Board?

Soften it in what regard? Am I calling other posters a Troll, a punk a Bleep? No I am not. However, that is what is being said to me. But I need to soften my stance? Ok

you don't need to do anything, you can say or act any way you choose to. however, the posters on this Board are not going to be very receptive to your style.

have you ever visited the site: [url="http://www.stillernation.com"]http://www.stillernation.com[/url]? it may be a much better site for how you prefer to communicate your ideas than this site where we like to discuss topics without always ending up in an argument.

[HeHateMe]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

Well, it looks to me that Francisco was reading Ben, because he was way the hell off of Tone. I thought that he reacted to Ben's pump fake (which does work, that is why they do it), but you are right, he did fall after Tone caught the ball. Whatever. You aren't going to give Ben any credit for anything good he has done, attributing it to luck, but are quick to point out anything that he has done wrong. Like they say opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one. I guess we'll agree to disagree on this.

A Pump fake is used to MOVE the saftey. NO DB is going to fall Because of a pump fake. Thats HYPERBOLE at its finest. Ben pumped before he threw the ball. Why wasnt he already on the ground IF it was from Ben? No. It was due to TONE as the footage clearly shows. I do give Ben credit. Have you seen me call him a bum? Have I said he SUCKS? I have repeatedly said "Ben is good" but he is NOT great. Ben is good BECAUSE he is on the Steelers. So is Leftwich. How did he look in Tampa? TERRIBLE. You will see how good our team makes a qb look when Byron leads us to a good record to start the season. We wont miss a beat without Ben. Save this post and call me on it.

you know, you actually seem like a very intelligent and knowledgeable poster. have you considered softening your approach and delivery so instead of offending others you would contribute in a positive fashion to this Board?

Soften it in what regard? Am I calling other posters a Troll, a punk a Bleep? No I am not. However, that is what is being said to me. But I need to soften my stance? Ok

you don't need to do anything, you can say or act any way you choose to. however, the posters on this Board are not going to be very receptive to your style.

have you ever visited the site: [url="http://www.stillernation.com"]http://www.stillernation.com[/url]? it may be a much better site for how you prefer to communicate your ideas than this site where we like to discuss topics without always ending up in an argument.

The ones that end up in an argument are the ones who get MAD because I voice my opinion about someone they praise (Ben). If guys don't like my opinion then that's fine. I don't mind. You don't see me calling anyone a troll because they don't agree with me. I suggest you send your invites to the ones who are instigating the arguments. I'm going nowhere. Sorry.

[feltdizz]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

Hehateme... I don't hate you, I appreciate your knowledge but your approach is very hard for the Steeler faithful to digest.

I can understand your frustration... when I stopped bashing BA and said he was here to stay becase Ben loves him I was called all sorts of names as well. I also pointed out how Ben struggled at times and took way too many sacks. When Lefty replaced him in the Redskins game the sacks went down and the production went up instantly.

Ben is a beast when he wants to be... however the guy definitely leaves a lot of plays on the field. Given how well our D has played the last 6 years you would think we would have a bunch of games with scores like 27 to 7 or 44 to 10. Our scores are usually 17 to 16 or 28 to 24.

I love Ben's ability to extend plays and this is where he is money... but given the extra opp's he gets due to JH, Troy and DL's schemes (besides last year) we shouldn't be in nailbiters with half the teams we have played. Last year showed us what happens without a damn good D...

Clearly Hehateme, you knows your stuff... but in here if you aren't a Ben supporter or critique his play you won't win many fans. I criticze the QB of our team because he handles the ball the most... but if you don't bow down to his greatness you will feel the wrath. I like Ben, when he is on point he is damn good but he isnt above criticism.

[HeHateMe]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

Hehateme... I don't hate you, I appreciate your knowledge but your approach is very hard for the Steeler faithful to digest.

I can understand your frustration... when I stopped bashing BA and said he was here to stay becase Ben loves him I was called all sorts of names as well. I also pointed out how Ben struggled at times and took way too many sacks. When Lefty replaced him in the Redskins game the sacks went down and the production went up instantly.

Ben is a beast when he wants to be... however the guy definitely leaves a lot of plays on the field. Given how well our D has played the last 6 years you would think we would have a bunch of games with scores like 27 to 7 or 44 to 10. Our scores are usually 17 to 16 or 28 to 24.

I love Ben's ability to extend plays and this is where he is money... but given the extra opp's he gets due to JH, Troy and DL's schemes (besides last year) we shouldn't be in nailbiters with half the teams we have played. Last year showed us what happens without a damn good D...

Clearly Hehateme, you knows your stuff... but in here if you aren't a Ben supporter or critique his play you won't win many fans. I criticze the QB of our team because he handles the ball the most... but if you don't bow down to his greatness you will feel the wrath. I like Ben, when he is on point he is damn good but he isnt above criticism.

I appreciate the advice sir. Thank you. I agree with your assessment of Ben 100%
If Marino, Brees, Brady, Manning, Warner or Favre had our D we would BLOW teams out. You are correct Ben can play "WHEN HE WANTS TO" that's my main beef with the guy. He cheats us for most of the game.

[WoodleyofTroy]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

I appreciate the advice sir. Thank you. I agree with your assessment of Ben 100%
If Marino, Brees, Brady, Manning, Warner or Favre had our D we would BLOW teams out. You are correct Ben can play "WHEN HE WANTS TO" that's my main beef with the guy. He cheats us for most of the game.

Peyton sure looked good throwing that game winning TD to the wrong team.

It's about winning, not stats buddy.

Our Defense would be winded if Brees came out and threw a TD 10 seconds in. And you would see 35-35 scores, just like in New Orleans.

Ben is the perfect fit for Steelers football. Which is why we win.

[SS Laser]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

Peyton sure looked good throwing that game winning TD to the wrong team.

It's about winning, not stats buddy.



Our Defense would be winded if Brees came out and threw a TD 10 seconds in. And you would see 35-35 scores, just like in New Orleans.

Ben is the perfect fit for Steelers football. Which is why we win.[/quote]

THERE IT IS! With Ben we win 2 superbowls! Before he was here NONE!

Ben is not the greatest QB. But we win with him.

[HeHateMe]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

I appreciate the advice sir. Thank you. I agree with your assessment of Ben 100%
If Marino, Brees, Brady, Manning, Warner or Favre had our D we would BLOW teams out. You are correct Ben can play "WHEN HE WANTS TO" that's my main beef with the guy. He cheats us for most of the game.

Peyton sure looked good throwing that game winning TD to the wrong team.

It's about winning, not stats buddy.

Our Defense would be winded if Brees came out and threw a TD 10 seconds in. And you would see 35-35 scores, just like in New Orleans.

Ben is the perfect fit for Steelers football. Which is why we win.

Like Ben doesnt throw pick six's. See Rashean Mathis. Last time Ben faced Manning WHO threw a pick 6? It was Ben. Peyton is a Hall of Famer. Ben is not. Peyton is better than Ben despite what happened in SB44. Its about winning? Who has won the most games in the millenium? Its Manning. Ben is on a better team so he has more SB wins. By your logice Marino isnt any good due to not winning any SB's. Ben is better than Marino? Steve Young? Just because he has more rings? TOO FUNNY. Our Defense would love an efficient qb like Brees on our team.

[HeHateMe]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

Peyton sure looked good throwing that game winning TD to the wrong team.

It's about winning, not stats buddy.



Our Defense would be winded if Brees came out and threw a TD 10 seconds in. And you would see 35-35 scores, just like in New Orleans.

Ben is the perfect fit for Steelers football. Which is why we win.

THERE IT IS! With Ben we win 2 superbowls! Before he was here NONE!

Ben is not the greatest QB. But we win with him.[/quote]
We also win with Batch, Leftwich and KORDELL. Kordell won 40 plus games for us and HE IS A BUM. What does that tell you? It tells me that you don't need much from the qb to win for the GREAT STEELERS. If you dont believe that see SB40 where the Qb played like *ss and we still won GOING AWAY. Ben has ZERO SB MVPs, No league MVP's and only ONE Pro Bowl selection is his career. One TEAM MVP, he is HARDLY the reason we win. Is he an important piece? YES. But not the PRIMARY piece. Take Manning off of the Colts and they suck. WATCH the Steelers continue success during the suspension. SORRY.

[frankthetank1]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

Hehateme... I don't hate you, I appreciate your knowledge but your approach is very hard for the Steeler faithful to digest.

I can understand your frustration... when I stopped bashing BA and said he was here to stay becase Ben loves him I was called all sorts of names as well. I also pointed out how Ben struggled at times and took way too many sacks. When Lefty replaced him in the Redskins game the sacks went down and the production went up instantly.

Ben is a beast when he wants to be... however the guy definitely leaves a lot of plays on the field. Given how well our D has played the last 6 years you would think we would have a bunch of games with scores like 27 to 7 or 44 to 10. Our scores are usually 17 to 16 or 28 to 24.

I love Ben's ability to extend plays and this is where he is money... but given the extra opp's he gets due to JH, Troy and DL's schemes (besides last year) we shouldn't be in nailbiters with half the teams we have played. Last year showed us what happens without a damn good D...

Clearly Hehateme, you knows your stuff... but in here if you aren't a Ben supporter or critique his play you won't win many fans. I criticze the QB of our team because he handles the ball the most... but if you don't bow down to his greatness you will feel the wrath. I like Ben, when he is on point he is damn good but he isnt above criticism.

I appreciate the advice sir. Thank you. I agree with your assessment of Ben 100%
If Marino, Brees, Brady, Manning, Warner or Favre had our D we would BLOW teams out. You are correct Ben can play "WHEN HE WANTS TO" that's my main beef with the guy. He cheats us for most of the game.

the saints d was better than ours last season so if we had brees we would of blown out no one last season. what are you talking about? did you see the defense last year in the second half? ben was the reason we were 8-8? your bias is humorous to me, please keep up the slanted opinions. feltdizz critizies ben and he is pretty accurate but at least he gives credit when it is due. i criticize ben plenty as well. i dont like how he lives his personal life either but people do eff up sometimes. everyone deserves redemption. also brady's pats teams that won sb's had great defenses. farve did too. you should of just stuck with marino and manning although peyton isnt as clutch as ben is and that is a fact not opinion

[HeHateMe]

Re: Who do you want to see at QB in week 1? Dixon or Leftwich?

That Defense is the best part of our team. What do you think strikes fear in opposing teams? Its the DEFENSE. The defense was tired in the 2nd half. We won Time of Possession in most games NOT because of long drives but because of EXTRA opportunities given to our offense by our defense. We even won TOP vs the Ravens with DIXON. Was Dixon leading long drives? NO. It was our defense giving the offense extra possessions due to being stingy. By the 4th quarter they are tired. Isnt it IRONIC that all breakdowns came in the fourth qtr. Coincidence? I give Ben credit. WHO did I say was our best qb? I said it was Ben. Have I EVER called Ben a bum? NO I HAVENT. Dont I say Ben is GOOD. Yes I did OVER AND OVER. I just don't give Ben the label of GREAT. Anyone that does that is a Homer and a liar. Sorry.