Sure we won but we need to bench Russ

[Northern_Blitz]

PA Data from Alex K

	Fields PA	Wilson PA
Comp%	66	76.9
YPA	5.0	12.4
TDs	0	1
QB Rating	77.8	143.3
Sacks	6	1

I would rather have all of the absolute stats be rate stats (by PA attempt), but here's another comparison.

Wilson has a pretty small sample, so take it all with the salt.

In before Windy: Yes QB Rating isn't perfect. But when one guy has a value that's half of the other guy, it probably tells you something. Although to be fair, Wilson has a small sample size.

As per the C Carter comments, Wilson also got more than 1/2 the yardage Fields in in 6 games. And we were calling PA at the 5th highest rate in the league with Fields. So it's not like it was something we weren't doing.

To TO's point, I would also like to see position groups where the PA attempts were called out of. I agree that under center and in the gun / pistol are (or at least might be) different.

AK also says that the volume on cadence at the line was noticeably different in camp with Wilson being much louder. Don't know if that helps with some of the silly penalties we've been getting?

I think that PA pass where he was able to fake the DE enough to get the ball out to PF was pretty impressive.

[Captain Lemming]

The problem is that Wilson threw maybe 2 impressive balls, the rest were lobbed up for grabs short or wildly incomplete. The PFF grades reflect what happened in real life, playmakers graded highly, QB mid.

PFF is vastly superior to passer rating.

I would suggest that what both you and pff miss is that what Wilson is doing is INTENTIONALLY trusting in his go up and get it receiver to go up and get it. Proof?

Did he do that ONCE with anybody else? No. He KNOWS what he is doing 100 percent. His high arching passes allow the receiver to adjust to it.

Savvy vet knows IT IS HARD for a DB to pick a pass sprinting on a go route. It is not near as risky as you think. The receiver knows when to look but the DB is scared to lose the receiver.

So what you and pff see as bad throws are HIGHLY EFFECTIVE. Isn’t THAT what matters?

What if he throws a pick? Well Mr “Tomlin plays too safe” talk to me when he starts looking like Mitch. I don’t think it is happening.

To my point, if you see Russ launch a “punt” like pass next week in the direction of Pickens are you SCARED or excited?

You know the answer. THAT is why JUST going by pff is ridiculous. Was Russ perfect? No. Was he better than Mr Rogers? ABSOLUTELY.

[WindyCitySteel]

I would suggest that what both you and pff miss is that what Wilson is doing is INTENTIONALLY trusting in his go up and get it receiver to go up and get it. Proof?

Did he do that ONCE with anybody else? No. He KNOWS what he is doing 100 percent. His high arching passes allow the receiver to adjust to it.

Savvy vet knows IT IS HARD for a DB to pick a pass sprinting on a go route. It is not near as risky as you think. The receiver knows when to look but the DB is scared to lose the receiver.

So what you and pff see as bad throws are HIGHLY EFFECTIVE. Isn’t THAT what matters?

What if he throws a pick? Well Mr “Tomlin plays too safe” talk to me when he starts looking like Mitch. I don’t think it is happening.

To my point, if you see Russ launch a “punt” like pass next week in the direction of Pickens are you SCARED or excited?

You know the answer. THAT is why JUST going by pff is ridiculous. Was Russ perfect? No. Was he better than Mr Rogers? ABSOLUTELY.

Lol, Russ is trying to bounce footballs off of the backs of defenders because that's easier than leading Pickens for a walk in TD.

Who is your commanding officer? Your promotion to Major Lemming is long overdue.

[Captain Lemming]

Lol, Russ is trying to bounce footballs off of the backs of defenders because that's easier than leading Pickens for a walk in TD.

Who is your commanding officer? Your promotion to Major Lemming is long overdue.

That was “plural”.
Did pff tell you that cause I only saw one.

If WE DONT EVEN SCORE on that drive, the RESULT of the rest of Russ’ play was WAY BETTER than what “shut out in 2nd half” Rogers produced.

[Captain Lemming]

Passer rating ain’t perfect. Yes it punishes Rodgers for a pick that bounced off a receiver and credits Russ for a pass that bounced off a defender.

We aren’t blind, don’t need pff to “educate” us on the obvious.

But you know what Windy? ERASE BOTH PLAYS and Russ was still WAY better.

Did Russ start slow? Absolutely. But he was UNSTOPPABLE in the second half.

That is the problem with pff. It tries to over correct the obvious. Russ throwing a few passes into the dirt early had no bearing on the final result.

You know what DID impact the result? ROGERS BEING SHUT OUT in the second half as Russ is looking unstoppable.

Absolutely ridiculous.

[Mr.wizard]

It's not just throwing a high ball on purpose. It's identifying the one on one matchup and giving the receiver a chance. Russ was going to the right places with the ball.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

We talk about "catchable balls" and "turnover worthy plays" and the answer might be different depending on the receiver.

In Kenny's first game, his first (of 3) interceptions was a high ball to Claypool that was deflected and picked off by a smaller DB. I would say that it was a catchable ball if thrown to Pickens, but a turnover worthy play if thrown to Claypool. Daunte Culpepper made a career out of dropping back and launching jump balls to Randy Moss. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl by doing the same thing for Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones. Replace all those receivers and neither of those QBs is memorable in any way.

[feltdizz]

Lol, Russ is trying to bounce footballs off of the backs of defenders because that's easier than leading Pickens for a walk in TD.

Who is your commanding officer? Your promotion to Major Lemming is long overdue.

All passes shall be perfect!!

[feltdizz]

It's not just throwing a high ball on purpose. It's identifying the one on one matchup and giving the receiver a chance. Russ was going to the right places with the ball.

Windy is the same person saying he is fine with an INT if it means we open it up and score more than 30 points.

Russ throws downfield, takes chances and throws a jump ball to Pickens who excels at jump balls and score 37 points and this dude is telling us to count our lucky stars.