Tomlin Goes the Extra Mile to Ruin Broderick Jones

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  • Prowler
    Pro Bowler
    • Apr 2010
    • 1821

    Tomlin Goes the Extra Mile to Ruin Broderick Jones

    Don't shoot the messenger but the author of the article below is suggesting that Mike Tomlin is ruining the career of Broderick Jones. There have been lots of rumors circulating around that MT believes he is the smartest football mind in the room at all times. Is this another case of Mike Tomlin's stubborn arrogance believing that he can develop a player outside of his natural position? See Kevin Dotson as an example.
    The Pittsburgh Steelers are between a rock and a hard place on the offensive line. Mike Tomlin is making the wrong decision with Broderick Jones, again.








  • Captain Lemming
    Legend
    • Jun 2008
    • 15974

    #2
    Originally posted by Prowler
    Don't shoot the messenger but the author of the article below is suggesting that Mike Tomlin is ruining the career of Broderick Jones. There have been lots of rumors circulating around that MT believes he is the smartest football mind in the room at all times. Is this another case of Mike Tomlin's stubborn arrogance believing that he can develop a player outside of his natural position? See Kevin Dotson as an example.
    While I agree that the line positions should be more solidified by now, I dont hate the idea of Jones at right tackle permanently. I thought that he looked pretty good on the right for a rookie and he was the biggest driver to the lines DRAMATIC improvement last season. EVERY player listed as a TACKLE ON THE TEAM was a college left tackle. Fautano is in exactly the same situation.

    I WILL agree on this. It IS insane that we have not gotten pieces in place and STILL dont know where guys are gonna be. THAT is a legit criticism. I really dont have a strong opinion about where guys play. While guys like Dotson clearly better at one position, others are more versatile, maybe BETTER at a position that was not their college position (Dawson, Hartings, R Foster, heck Villenueva).

    But we gotta get the pieces in place whatever it may be to get continuity. That IS a fail on Tomlin and the staff.
    Between the fail of not figuring that out, expected youth, and the injuries, it looks like despite drafting oline as a priority, it might be a big mess for a good chunk of the season. I hope I am wrong.
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    In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

    TCFCLTC-
    The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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    • NorthCoast
      Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 26099

      #3
      Originally posted by Prowler
      Don't shoot the messenger but the author of the article below is suggesting that Mike Tomlin is ruining the career of Broderick Jones. There have been lots of rumors circulating around that MT believes he is the smartest football mind in the room at all times. Is this another case of Mike Tomlin's stubborn arrogance believing that he can develop a player outside of his natural position? See Kevin Dotson as an example.
      I don't believe that. If there is any ruining of careers it will be by Jones himself. The guy had 19 starts as a LT in college. He has multiple shortcomings he needs to fix before he can be a legit tackle on either side of the line. Jones has to put in the work, or it won't end well in the 'Burgh for him. Weren't you the one just posting about his apparent flabby body? Why should Tomlin reward him with the LT position if that is the case?

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      • WindyCitySteel
        Legend
        • Nov 2011
        • 15481

        #4
        Position flexibility is valued because it protects the high floor of non-losing seasons in the event of injury. That seems to be the most important goal in Pittsburgh.

        If Tomlin starred in Castaway he would have never gotten off the island but he'd not run out of food or water, either.

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        • Captain Lemming
          Legend
          • Jun 2008
          • 15974

          #5
          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
          Position flexibility is valued because it protects the high floor of non-losing seasons in the event of injury. That seems to be the most important goal in Pittsburgh.

          If Tomlin starred in Castaway he would have never gotten off the island but he'd not run out of food or water, either.
          While I disagree with the premise, as a public speaker, well played analogy to make your case. Very nicely done.
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          In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

          TCFCLTC-
          The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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          • steelz09
            Administrator
            • Jan 2008
            • 4675

            #6
            Rooney's won't do anything until it hits their pocket. Stop going to games (easier said than done for ticket holders) boo for unacceptable performance, or flat out leave the stadium.

            All of that happened last year and it's been happening but last year, it came to a boil.

            A coordinator took the fall, AGAIN. This time, rightfully so but Tomlin was starting to get heat by media talking heads that historically never left his side.
            Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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            • steelz09
              Administrator
              • Jan 2008
              • 4675

              #7
              Speaking of development, just look at Tomlin's coaching tree or lack thereof and you have your answer.
              Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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              • Joel Buchsbaum
                Legend
                • Jan 2021
                • 7573

                #8
                Originally posted by Prowler
                Don't shoot the messenger but the author of the article below is suggesting that Mike Tomlin is ruining the career of Broderick Jones. There have been lots of rumors circulating around that MT believes he is the smartest football mind in the room at all times. Is this another case of Mike Tomlin's stubborn arrogance believing that he can develop a player outside of his natural position? See Kevin Dotson as an example.
                Sure I can name players on the OL that started a pre-season game while wearing a barace on thier arm. Let's see there is Tomlin playing the Injured Jones, and ...... um I can think of nobody.

                He is a Schmuck.
                Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                • WindyCitySteel
                  Legend
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 15481

                  #9
                  Originally posted by NorthCoast

                  I don't believe that. If there is any ruining of careers it will be by Jones himself. The guy had 19 starts as a LT in college. He has multiple shortcomings he needs to fix before he can be a legit tackle on either side of the line. Jones has to put in the work, or it won't end well in the 'Burgh for him. Weren't you the one just posting about his apparent flabby body? Why should Tomlin reward him with the LT position if that is the case?
                  He needs coaching he may not get here. As I pointed out in another thread, not only did Dotson soar to new heights after leaving, both Mason Cole and James Daniels' (per PFF) both dropped in their first two years in Pittsburgh, Seaumalo did in his first and had the very rough game before getting hurt. If he also drops again in his second year, I don't think we can put the blame four all instances solely on the players.
                  Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 09-05-2024, 07:54 AM.

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                  • Prowler
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 1821

                    #10
                    Originally posted by steelz09
                    Rooney's won't do anything until it hits their pocket. Stop going to games (easier said than done for ticket holders) boo for unacceptable performance, or flat out leave the stadium.

                    All of that happened last year and it's been happening but last year, it came to a boil.

                    A coordinator took the fall, AGAIN. This time, rightfully so but Tomlin was starting to get heat by media talking heads that historically never left his side.
                    Yes indeed you are correct. You really need to post far more often.

                    By the way steelz09, can you please find some new moderators. Ones that will actually apply the rules in a consistent and fair manner? I'd be willing to help you out in that department after the 14th of September when I come back from Vegas.

                    Besides this the two moderators always claim they are too busy to their jobs properly. I won't have that problem after the September 14th and I'll moderate fairly and consistently on the basis of the rules you want followed. That would solve 95% of the problems on this forum.
                    Last edited by Prowler; 09-05-2024, 10:42 AM.








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                    • Captain Lemming
                      Legend
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 15974

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                      He needs coaching he may not get here. As I pointed out in another thread, not only did Dotson soar to new heights after leaving, both Mason Cole and James Daniels' (per PFF) both dropped in their first two years in Pittsburgh, Seaumalo did in his first and had the very rough game before getting hurt. If he also drops again in his second year, I don't think we can put the blame four all instances solely on the players.
                      As someone who leans positive this is a very legitimate criticism. The history as you laid out are beyond debate. Bad oline coaching which means a bad hire by Tomlin.
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                      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                      TCFCLTC-
                      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                      • NorthCoast
                        Legend
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 26099

                        #12
                        Hoke speaks up; Jones acting "disinterested " while blocking.

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                        • hawaiiansteel
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                          • May 2008
                          • 35262

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