Leftwich

[Oviedo]

Re: Leftwich

I'm happy the Steelers will give him A chance to rebuild his good name and live up to the expectations the Steelers had for him. Hopefully in doing that, the Steeler's good name is left untarnished. It means as a fan...A possible Superbowl is still in the immediate future.

That being said...How many of you that are 110% against any trade no matter what is offered would be outraged if another incident happens with a timeline after his suspension and the Steelers outright release him? Just sayin...Cause that is what will happen. Giving you a FO perspective.

Don't hate the player...Hate the game! Ben isn't the "player"...The Steelers organization is the player.

I am 110% against trading Ben because less than 50% of the QBs drafted are ever successful (heard that stat on Mike and Mike this morning). Trade ben and we go from being a serious contender for the Super Bowl to an also ran.

I want Ben to have a chance to prove he can be a better human being while still being our QB. I am betting he got the message.

[flippy]

Re: Leftwich

Al Davis should just give us his next 5 #1s since the Raiders can't pick anyone in the first round. It'd be a win/win and the Raiders would probably be the AFC fav for the SuperBowl.

Or the Rams should give us a bunch of 1s. And we can draft Suh and Thomas this year and build out a sick defense. And see what Dixon can do.

And maybe bring back Cowher so we can dominate without a QB. Our fate may be AFCC games, but those years were good. I had hope every season back then.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Leftwich

What will happen if he doesn't make a poor decision and some woman accuses him of something?

See, I don't know what kind of decision he made in GA (other than to go out with friends and bodyguards) because I wasn't there and I don't take the tabloid media headlines as absolute truth.

I don't know what will happen. I guess you see the predicament that the Steelers are in. There is a history here now. Ben has to be extra careful. He made it that way.

Nevada chick may be a nut case. It is part of the history now. It is so obvious that some misconduct took place in GA. I don't believe that every thing that was said was made up. There may be two incidents of misconduct in GA. The problem is that perception is out there about Ben. Some people want to continue to make this a red or blue issue. It is not that simple.

Were you there? I wasn't so I won't pretend to know what took place.

No, I was not there. I am not naive either. Neither are the people that Ben works for. There is a reason corrective action will be taken. As I stated, the perception is the problem. The fact that Ben continues put himself in questionable situations is another problem. Ben has a problem. The exact cause(alcohol, stubbornness, immaturity, ect) of that problem is only known to the people in the organization and league.

If Ben is around I am ok with that. If they trade him I am good with that. It will not ruin my enjoyment of the sport. The Steelers are much bigger then any one player.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Leftwich

I'm happy the Steelers will give him A chance to rebuild his good name and live up to the expectations the Steelers had for him. Hopefully in doing that, the Steeler's good name is left untarnished. It means as a fan...A possible Superbowl is still in the immediate future.

That being said...How many of you that are 110% against any trade no matter what is offered would be outraged if another incident happens with a timeline after his suspension and the Steelers outright release him? Just sayin...Cause that is what will happen. Giving you a FO perspective.

Don't hate the player...Hate the game! Ben isn't the "player"...The Steelers organization is the player.

I am 110% against trading Ben because less than 50% of the QBs drafted are ever successful (heard that stat on Mike and Mike this morning). Trade ben and we go from being a serious contender for the Super Bowl to an also ran.

I want Ben to have a chance to prove he can be a better human being while still being our QB. I am betting he got the message.

Was that 50% 1st round QBs? If you are looking at every position & every round that really isn't a bad number. Even if you consider 1st round...There are many busts in the 1st at all positions. If you consider the Steelers 1st round QBs over the last 40 years...I say they were successful. Bradshaw, Malone, & Roethlisberger.

I said I was happy they will give him one shot being that he is my favorite Steeler. However, I'm a Steeler fan first so if they trade him I support the Steelers decision. I'm glad you said , "I am betting he got the message" because that is a large part of the Trade talk heartbeat. The message should have been received after the first incident last year. Everyone one needs to understand that the Steeler franchise knows what Ben does outside of football. Consider the first "near miss" in the hotel, his life style after that event, the in season trip to Wikes Barre for the WWE event after he was advised not to, and the latest incident with the hundreds of pages of accounts and information on other events...Where is the evidence he will ever get the message? That is on one side of the scale and the other is a franchise QB who you have a large investment in. Yes, a franchise QB doesn't come along often. But if you have been a Steelers fan for a long time you know the Steelers don't sacrifice their prestige for winning. So if they do trade him, I would understand why. I would also understand why they would give him a chance. Neither decision will have any impact on how I feel about the Steelers. It will only impact the confidence I have in the team as a contender until I see how they play without him.

[Steel Life]

Re: Leftwich

I'm happy the Steelers will give him A chance to rebuild his good name and live up to the expectations the Steelers had for him. Hopefully in doing that, the Steeler's good name is left untarnished. It means as a fan...A possible Superbowl is still in the immediate future.

That being said...How many of you that are 110% against any trade no matter what is offered would be outraged if another incident happens with a timeline after his suspension and the Steelers outright release him? Just sayin...Cause that is what will happen. Giving you a FO perspective.

Don't hate the player...Hate the game! Ben isn't the "player"...The Steelers organization is the player.

I am 110% against trading Ben because less than 50% of the QBs drafted are ever successful (heard that stat on Mike and Mike this morning). Trade ben and we go from being a serious contender for the Super Bowl to an also ran.

I want Ben to have a chance to prove he can be a better human being while still being our QB. I am betting he got the message.

Agreed O...we get sold a bill of goods every time this year that the draft is full of Pro Bowlers & HOFers. The fact is that it's a crapshoot & teams can go a decade without finding a true "franchise" QB. I really like Dixon long-term, but I think we're a playoff team with him & a championship team with Ben.

Also, doesn't it seem as though Mike Greenberg is driving this whole Ben "thing"? He doesn't come right out on it, but he clearly is only interested driving the negative. He never mentions the fans in support of Ben, he never says that Ben wasn't charged...he just continues as though he was.

[frankthetank1]

Re: Leftwich

this is a great move!! a 7th round pick is crap. im very glad to have lefty back. he knows the offense and has a huge arm. its a very smart move

[feltdizz]

Re: Leftwich

WR's better get some thick gloves....

How will this effect Sweeds development? He seemed to catch the hard passes and drop the floaters...

[cruzer8]

Re: Leftwich

What will happen if he doesn't make a poor decision and some woman accuses him of something?

See, I don't know what kind of decision he made in GA (other than to go out with friends and bodyguards) because I wasn't there and I don't take the tabloid media headlines as absolute truth.

I don't know what will happen. I guess you see the predicament that the Steelers are in. There is a history here now. Ben has to be extra careful. He made it that way.

Nevada chick may be a nut case. It is part of the history now. It is so obvious that some misconduct took place in GA. I don't believe that every thing that was said was made up. There may be two incidents of misconduct in GA. The problem is that perception is out there about Ben. Some people want to continue to make this a red or blue issue. It is not that simple.

Were you there? I wasn't so I won't pretend to know what took place.

No, I was not there. I am not naive either. Neither are the people that Ben works for. There is a reason corrective action will be taken. As I stated, the perception is the problem. The fact that Ben continues put himself in questionable situations is another problem. Ben has a problem. The exact cause(alcohol, stubbornness, immaturity, ect) of that problem is only known to the people in the organization and league.

If Ben is around I am ok with that. If they trade him I am good with that. It will not ruin my enjoyment of the sport. The Steelers are much bigger then any one player.

Pure speculation.

[Slapstick]

Re: Leftwich

Yeah, except it isn't pure speculation.

You can say that whether or not Ben actually sexually assaulted anybody is pure speculation...I'll give you that...

But, you cannot deny that Ben Roethlisberger has demonstrated a pattern of behavior that is at worst criminal (pure speculation) and at best stupid and embarrasing for both the Steelers and the league...

Now, I don't even believe that Ben assaulted anyone...I don't believe that Ben did anything criminal...I don't believe that Ben should be a target for money seeking individuals...

But, there is no doubt that he has made abysmally poor choices...if Ben is traded, only Ben can be blamed...

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Leftwich

I don't know what will happen. I guess you see the predicament that the Steelers are in. There is a history here now. Ben has to be extra careful. He made it that way.

Nevada chick may be a nut case. It is part of the history now. It is so obvious that some misconduct took place in GA. I don't believe that every thing that was said was made up. There may be two incidents of misconduct in GA. The problem is that perception is out there about Ben. Some people want to continue to make this a red or blue issue. It is not that simple.

Were you there? I wasn't so I won't pretend to know what took place.

No, I was not there. I am not naive either. Neither are the people that Ben works for. There is a reason corrective action will be taken. As I stated, the perception is the problem. The fact that Ben continues put himself in questionable situations is another problem. Ben has a problem. The exact cause(alcohol, stubbornness, immaturity, ect) of that problem is only known to the people in the organization and league.

If Ben is around I am ok with that. If they trade him I am good with that. It will not ruin my enjoyment of the sport. The Steelers are much bigger then any one player.

Pure speculation.

I will give you that most of what we do around her is pure speculation. I don't think it is to far fetched to speculate that Ben has a problem. I hope he can fix his problem before it's to late.

The accusations and coming suspension back up my statement that Ben put himself into questionable situations.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Leftwich

Yeah, except it isn't pure speculation.

You can say that whether or not Ben actually sexually assaulted anybody is pure speculation...I'll give you that...

But, you cannot deny that Ben Roethlisberger has demonstrated a pattern of behavior that is at worst criminal (pure speculation) and at best stupid and embarrasing for both the Steelers and the league...

Now, I don't even believe that Ben assaulted anyone...I don't believe that Ben did anything criminal...I don't believe that Ben should be a target for money seeking individuals...

But, there is no doubt that he has made abysmally poor choices...if Ben is traded, only Ben can be blamed...

Isn't it so strange that some fans direct all their anger/frustration at the league and organization when the buck stopped with Ben?

[fezziwig]

Re: Leftwich

Your right, Ben did this all on his own and he can only blame himself. I wonder if Ben is as obnoxious as people claim that, he won't learn from his mistakes?

[feltdizz]

Re: Leftwich

Your right, Ben did this all on his own and he can only blame himself. I wonder if Ben is as obnoxious as people claim that, he won't learn from his mistakes?

I wouldn't be surprised given all the success in such a short amount of time.

After Tahoe and all the backlash last off season he goes and has sex in a college bathroom with a 20 year old... Our FO is beyond pissed.

[cruzer8]

Re: Leftwich

Your right, Ben did this all on his own and he can only blame himself. I wonder if Ben is as obnoxious as people claim that, he won't learn from his mistakes?

I wouldn't be surprised given all the success in such a short amount of time.

After Tahoe and all the backlash last off season he goes and has sex in a college bathroom with a 20 year old... Our FO is beyond pissed.

Were you the janitor who cleaned the bathroom?

[feltdizz]

Re: Leftwich

Your right, Ben did this all on his own and he can only blame himself. I wonder if Ben is as obnoxious as people claim that, he won't learn from his mistakes?

I wouldn't be surprised given all the success in such a short amount of time.

After Tahoe and all the backlash last off season he goes and has sex in a college bathroom with a 20 year old... Our FO is beyond pissed.

Were you the janitor who cleaned the bathroom?

MSM... Oops I mean cruzer8

whether sex, paddie cake or whatever Ben was "framed" for he isn't fighting the suspension...

If you want to spend the next 5 years correcting the sex in the bathroom statement have at it but you are missing out on some good conversation/speculation. LOL.