Leftwich

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Leftwich

What will happen if he doesn't make a poor decision and some woman accuses him of something?

See, I don't know what kind of decision he made in GA (other than to go out with friends and bodyguards) because I wasn't there and I don't take the tabloid media headlines as absolute truth.

I don't know what will happen. I guess you see the predicament that the Steelers are in. There is a history here now. Ben has to be extra careful. He made it that way.

Nevada chick may be a nut case. It is part of the history now. It is so obvious that some misconduct took place in GA. I don't believe that every thing that was said was made up. There may be two incidents of misconduct in GA. The problem is that perception is out there about Ben. Some people want to continue to make this a red or blue issue. It is not that simple.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Leftwich

First I am not one to want Ben traded. He is worth the gamble to stay a steeler. But it scares the hell out of me how he will handle the pressure of football + all the"rape" crap some steeler fans and rival fans will hound him with all season? Are you guys worried even just a little all this crap added up could really hurt Bens performance on the field? Then at that point his trade value drops a ton. Also I am worried he could become concussion prone like other QB's. I will say again that I might do a trade if it was blockbuster deal like no other. But I hope Ben stays and does very well! (SB #7 and #8 atleast LOL)

They will make the best decision for the franchise whatever they decide. I am not sure he is worth the gamble. That is why it is important for the people that interact with him the most to be sure about him.

The whole team and fans will have to deal with the pressure of having Ben on the team. Teammates, Ben, and fans will be ridiculed.

It does not appear that Ben will have a long career with his style of play. It is not an easy decision to make. I believe Ben will be with the Steelers. Only time will tell.

[cruzer8]

Re: Leftwich

What will happen if he doesn't make a poor decision and some woman accuses him of something?

See, I don't know what kind of decision he made in GA (other than to go out with friends and bodyguards) because I wasn't there and I don't take the tabloid media headlines as absolute truth.

I don't know what will happen. I guess you see the predicament that the Steelers are in. There is a history here now. Ben has to be extra careful. He made it that way.

Nevada chick may be a nut case. It is part of the history now. It is so obvious that some misconduct took place in GA. I don't believe that every thing that was said was made up. There may be two incidents of misconduct in GA. The problem is that perception is out there about Ben. Some people want to continue to make this a red or blue issue. It is not that simple.

Were you there? I wasn't so I won't pretend to know what took place.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: Leftwich

I'm pretty much in the minoriity on this board re: Leftwich, as I think I remember I have pretty much always been.

My main recollection of him is winding up and throwing like the point was to hit 120mph, not complete a pass. Even if the guy was 3 feet in front of him. It was scary to watch.

I must be wrong though, if his QB rating from that year was 100. But - what made him suck at Tampa? How can he be the Steeler's best option if he's getting cut by Tampa?

[Chadman]

Re: Leftwich

Hmmm.....Mr Pittsburgh mentions the Raiders...who are looking to deal Nmanda Asamougha...Steelers need CB.....Raiders 1st pick & Asamougha?

Here's the thing with Ben, for Chadman...

The level of 'trust' has eroded between the Steelers FO & Ben now- they don't know, for sure, how Ben will conduct himself outside of football, making it hard for the organisation to fully support him. Many of you are saying "what if we trade Ben and go 6-10 for 100 seasons". Well, here's guessing that Heinz Field is a sell-out to the hardcore Steeler fans who support the Steelers through success and failure.

How about a reverse question- what if the Steelers committ to Ben, trust him, build a team around him, and he gets himself arrested next off-season? The Rooney's would have mortgaged the roster to suit him, and he'd be gone for zero return. How would the fans take that?

This is the very real predicament the Steelers find themselves in. If Ben gets in trouble again, how much leeway does the NFL really give him?

It's very easy for Joe Fanbody to say that "Ben won't get himself in that position again" when it's not your $100+ million resting on it. If you were going to put your lifesavings on this gamble- how safe would you really feel? To the Rooney's, the Steelers are there life savings. This is about more than having a good QB- it's about how far are you willing to gamble the state of the franchise on a guy that hasn't proven he can be trusted?

Chadman is going to disagree about this never ending 6-10 oblivion facing the Steelers post Ben. If there is one team Chadman would bet on coming back quickly from that sort of adversity- it's Pittsburgh.

Chadman would not be too sad to see Ben move on and Byron given the keys for now.

[sd steel]

Re: Leftwich

Hmmm.....Mr Pittsburgh mentions the Raiders...who are looking to deal Nmanda Asamougha...Steelers need CB.....Raiders 1st pick & Asamougha?

Here's the thing with Ben, for Chadman...

The level of 'trust' has eroded between the Steelers FO & Ben now- they don't know, for sure, how Ben will conduct himself outside of football, making it hard for the organisation to fully support him. Many of you are saying "what if we trade Ben and go 6-10 for 100 seasons". Well, here's guessing that Heinz Field is a sell-out to the hardcore Steeler fans who support the Steelers through success and failure.

How about a reverse question- what if the Steelers committ to Ben, trust him, build a team around him, and he gets himself arrested next off-season? The Rooney's would have mortgaged the roster to suit him, and he'd be gone for zero return. How would the fans take that?

This is the very real predicament the Steelers find themselves in. If Ben gets in trouble again, how much leeway does the NFL really give him?

It's very easy for Joe Fanbody to say that "Ben won't get himself in that position again" when it's not your $100+ million resting on it. If you were going to put your lifesavings on this gamble- how safe would you really feel? To the Rooney's, the Steelers are there life savings. This is about more than having a good QB- it's about how far are you willing to gamble the state of the franchise on a guy that hasn't proven he can be trusted?

Chadman is going to disagree about this never ending 6-10 oblivion facing the Steelers post Ben. If there is one team Chadman would bet on coming back quickly from that sort of adversity- it's Pittsburgh.

Chadman would not be too sad to see Ben move on and Byron given the keys for now.

SD Steel agrees with Chadman. The Steelers will never be stuck in continuous 6-10 hell. We werent with Bubby or Kordell or the numerous other subpar QB's. We didn't even win Ben's first Super Bowl because of him. We have always relied heavily on defense and a running game. Hopefully we get back to that whether Ben is here or not. As for the guys saying you might have a harder time rooting for the Steelers if Ben is traded, well, you are the bandwagoners. Go root for Ben somewhere else. I'm a Steeler fan, and my allegiance stays with the black and gold no matter who is on the team, and no matter whether they are 14-2 champs or 6-10 out of the playoffs.

[Shawn]

Re: Leftwich

First I am not one to want Ben traded. He is worth the gamble to stay a steeler. But it scares the hell out of me how he will handle the pressure of football + all the"rape" crap some steeler fans and rival fans will hound him with all season? Are you guys worried even just a little all this crap added up could really hurt Bens performance on the field? Then at that point his trade value drops a ton. Also I am worried he could become concussion prone like other QB's. I will say again that I might do a trade if it was blockbuster deal like no other. But I hope Ben stays and does very well! (SB #7 and #8 atleast LOL)

Not at all. Ben thrives under pressure.

[cruzer8]

Re: Leftwich

Hmmm.....Mr Pittsburgh mentions the Raiders...who are looking to deal Nmanda Asamougha...Steelers need CB.....Raiders 1st pick & Asamougha?

Here's the thing with Ben, for Chadman...

The level of 'trust' has eroded between the Steelers FO & Ben now- they don't know, for sure, how Ben will conduct himself outside of football, making it hard for the organisation to fully support him. Many of you are saying "what if we trade Ben and go 6-10 for 100 seasons". Well, here's guessing that Heinz Field is a sell-out to the hardcore Steeler fans who support the Steelers through success and failure.

How about a reverse question- what if the Steelers committ to Ben, trust him, build a team around him, and he gets himself arrested next off-season? The Rooney's would have mortgaged the roster to suit him, and he'd be gone for zero return. How would the fans take that?

This is the very real predicament the Steelers find themselves in. If Ben gets in trouble again, how much leeway does the NFL really give him?

It's very easy for Joe Fanbody to say that "Ben won't get himself in that position again" when it's not your $100+ million resting on it. If you were going to put your lifesavings on this gamble- how safe would you really feel? To the Rooney's, the Steelers are there life savings. This is about more than having a good QB- it's about how far are you willing to gamble the state of the franchise on a guy that hasn't proven he can be trusted?

Chadman is going to disagree about this never ending 6-10 oblivion facing the Steelers post Ben. If there is one team Chadman would bet on coming back quickly from that sort of adversity- it's Pittsburgh.

Chadman would not be too sad to see Ben move on and Byron given the keys for now.

SD Steel agrees with Chadman. The Steelers will never be stuck in continuous 6-10 hell. We werent with Bubby or Kordell or the numerous other subpar QB's. We didn't even win Ben's first Super Bowl because of him. We have always relied heavily on defense and a running game. Hopefully we get back to that whether Ben is here or not. As for the guys saying you might have a harder time rooting for the Steelers if Ben is traded, well, you are the bandwagoners. Go root for Ben somewhere else. I'm a Steeler fan, and my allegiance stays with the black and gold no matter who is on the team, and no matter whether they are 14-2 champs or 6-10 out of the playoffs.

I'm going to disagree with Chadman. We went a lot of years between super bowls with no real QB. And the only one who got us to XXX couldn't win it for us.

And there's no way we even make it to XL without Ben. And no chance we win XLIII without him.

Dumping a franchise QB because of what he might do is foolish - at best.

[Oviedo]

Re: Leftwich

I don't necessarily think that MOST of SteelerNation would be so overwhelmed with grief,..or give up on their lifelong franchise if we trade Roethlisberger.

I say this not because of my personal opinion or those of other lifelong Steeler Fans that i know whom do not reside in western PA. But in light of the "Should the Steelers trade Roethlisberger" poll on the Post Gazette website that currently says that 59% of the people whom voted are in favor of trading him.

[url]http://www.postgazette.com/polls/Default.asp[/url]

The majority voted for Obama too. Just proves there are alot of stupid people around.

[Oviedo]

Re: Leftwich

Hmmm.....Mr Pittsburgh mentions the Raiders...who are looking to deal Nmanda Asamougha...Steelers need CB.....Raiders 1st pick & Asamougha?

Here's the thing with Ben, for Chadman...

The level of 'trust' has eroded between the Steelers FO & Ben now- they don't know, for sure, how Ben will conduct himself outside of football, making it hard for the organisation to fully support him. Many of you are saying "what if we trade Ben and go 6-10 for 100 seasons". Well, here's guessing that Heinz Field is a sell-out to the hardcore Steeler fans who support the Steelers through success and failure.

How about a reverse question- what if the Steelers committ to Ben, trust him, build a team around him, and he gets himself arrested next off-season? The Rooney's would have mortgaged the roster to suit him, and he'd be gone for zero return. How would the fans take that?

This is the very real predicament the Steelers find themselves in. If Ben gets in trouble again, how much leeway does the NFL really give him?

It's very easy for Joe Fanbody to say that "Ben won't get himself in that position again" when it's not your $100+ million resting on it. If you were going to put your lifesavings on this gamble- how safe would you really feel? To the Rooney's, the Steelers are there life savings. This is about more than having a good QB- it's about how far are you willing to gamble the state of the franchise on a guy that hasn't proven he can be trusted?

Chadman is going to disagree about this never ending 6-10 oblivion facing the Steelers post Ben. If there is one team Chadman would bet on coming back quickly from that sort of adversity- it's Pittsburgh.

Chadman would not be too sad to see Ben move on and Byron given the keys for now.

SD Steel agrees with Chadman. The Steelers will never be stuck in continuous 6-10 hell. We werent with Bubby or Kordell or the numerous other subpar QB's. We didn't even win Ben's first Super Bowl because of him. We have always relied heavily on defense and a running game. Hopefully we get back to that whether Ben is here or not. As for the guys saying you might have a harder time rooting for the Steelers if Ben is traded, well, you are the bandwagoners. Go root for Ben somewhere else. I'm a Steeler fan, and my allegiance stays with the black and gold no matter who is on the team, and no matter whether they are 14-2 champs or 6-10 out of the playoffs.

I remember all the bums we had playing QB between Bradshaw and Big Ben. Twenty five years and no championships...that is not an accident. In the last 10 years (except for the Ravens) every Super Bowl has been won by a team with a top flight QB. In the last decade this league has evolved into a more QB centric league than ever and it is going to remain that way because the offense that a top flight QB produces sells tickets and therefore increases revenue. The days of running your way to a championship are ancient history.

If the Rooney's do their risk and reward analysis and determine Ben must go then so be it but we will not be the team we have been since 2005 and we will not be a legit contender for a championship until we get another Manning, Brady, Brees or Ben. Just look at the Cowboys. Romo is a very good QB but he can't win championships. The QBs that can do that are 10-15% of the starters in thius league and Ben is one. If Ben leaves just prepare yourselves for many years of "almosts."

Personally, I would give Ben a chance at redemption. I'm betting this opens up his eyes that he is a great QB but a lacking human being. Hopefully with the help of the Rooney's, the team, family, etc. he is puttting the support system in place that does not enable his bad behaviour in the future.

[papillon]

Re: Leftwich

Just to check in on the trade Ben situation. I would be disappointed if the Steelers moved on without giving Ben the opportunity to redeem himself outside the football world. The team is already built around Ben, so giving him the chance and him failing next off season doesn't put the Steelers in any more or less of predicament than they are already in.

Ben gets his last chance to change his behavior and become the player and face of the franchise that the Steelers were hoping for when they drafted him.

Pappy

[steelblood]

Re: Leftwich

Just to check in on the trade Ben situation. I would be disappointed if the Steelers moved on without giving Ben the opportunity to redeem himself outside the football world. The team is already built around Ben, so giving him the chance and him failing next off season doesn't put the Steelers in any more or less of predicament than they are already in.

Ben gets his last chance to change his behavior and become the player and face of the franchise that the Steelers were hoping for when they drafted him.

Pappy

I feel that the team is not "built around Ben." We just traded our best WR. Our offensive line is average at best. A more accurate statement may be that this team needs Ben to cover up their faults and give them a chance to be great.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Leftwich

What will happen if he doesn't make a poor decision and some woman accuses him of something?

See, I don't know what kind of decision he made in GA (other than to go out with friends and bodyguards) because I wasn't there and I don't take the tabloid media headlines as absolute truth.

Attempting to have sex in a public restroom with a drunk 20 year old girl doesn't seem like a bad decision to you?

Pappy

I would say that statement has teeth. So what would this statement say?

Attempting to have sex in a public restroom with an intoxicated underage 20 year old girl, twice the legal limit, that you supplied the alcohol to doesn't seem like a bad decision to you?

Why you always "sugar coating" things Pap?

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Leftwich

I'm happy the Steelers will give him A chance to rebuild his good name and live up to the expectations the Steelers had for him. Hopefully in doing that, the Steeler's good name is left untarnished. It means as a fan...A possible Superbowl is still in the immediate future.

That being said...How many of you that are 110% against any trade no matter what is offered would be outraged if another incident happens with a timeline after his suspension and the Steelers outright release him? Just sayin...Cause that is what will happen. Giving you a FO perspective.

Don't hate the player...Hate the game! Ben isn't the "player"...The Steelers organization is the player.

[Oviedo]

Re: Leftwich

Just to check in on the trade Ben situation. I would be disappointed if the Steelers moved on without giving Ben the opportunity to redeem himself outside the football world. The team is already built around Ben, so giving him the chance and him failing next off season doesn't put the Steelers in any more or less of predicament than they are already in.

Ben gets his last chance to change his behavior and become the player and face of the franchise that the Steelers were hoping for when they drafted him.

Pappy

I feel that the team is not "built around Ben." We just traded our best WR. Our offensive line is average at best. A more accurate statement may be that this team needs Ben to cover up their faults and give them a chance to be great.

I could not DISAGREE with you more. This has evolved into a QB centric league. No Ben and we don't compete for championships. All successful NFL teams are built around a top flight QB.