Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

And I want to go on record. If Ben is arrested I want a high round QB. I know I will get some hate for this but I really like Colt McCoy in the second.

I do not want to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds.

Ben has the best attorney money can buy, if he can get Ray-Ray off on a murder charge he can get Ben off for being stupid.

I am hearing some rumors and who knows they are true. But, if they are it would certainly change the game. I have heard the girl comes from money. If that is the case...good luck Ben. You take the money grubber aspect out of this and we have a real battle on our hands. Ben will be battling for his freedom. If arrested I would suspect he will be suspended for 2010-2011. If the NFL doesn't play next season...I would also suspect Ben will have another season to dwell on his stupidity. 2 years not playing? 30 y/o? Would Ben ever be the same QB? Ehh. Guys we are in legit trouble if the arrest/rich girl rumors are true even if he is found not guilty. I guess we will know Monday.

if Ben is charged, Ben will then be arrested or he will turn himself in. however, Ben remains innocent until proven guilty.

i believe Ben will not be suspended for the 2010-2011 season unless he is found to be guilty.

[steelz09]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

You didn't answer my question.. you provided team tackling statistics, not Timmons'.

How many of TIMMONS tackles were after 3 yards? How many tackles were due to pass coverage?

How many of Timmons sacks / QB pressures came from the OLB position (when he's stacked with an OLB)? How many from his ACTUAL position in which he responsible for (ILB)?

Again, I just think the Steelers drafted Timmons without a clue on how to implement him fulltime. That was an after thought. Oh, he's an OLB....wait no... an ILB... wait, maybe he's an OLB.. hell, we don't know.

As a 3-4 ILB.. i would take Chad Brown, Kirkland or the Farrior of a couple years ago before Timmons.. just sayin'

As a 4-3 LB, we just don't know but I would guess he would be a Pro Bowler.

[Oviedo]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

You didn't answer my question.. you provided team tackling statistics, not Timmons'.

How many of TIMMONS tackles were after 3 yards? How many tackles were due to pass coverage?

How many of Timmons sacks / QB pressures came from the OLB position (when he's stacked with an OLB)? How many from his ACTUAL position in which he responsible for (ILB)?

Again, I just think the Steelers drafted Timmons without a clue on how to implement him fulltime. That was an after thought. Oh, he's an OLB....wait no... an ILB... wait, maybe he's an OLB.. hell, we don't know.

As a 3-4 ILB.. i would take Chad Brown, Kirkland or the Farrior of a couple years ago before Timmons.. just sayin'

As a 4-3 LB, we just don't know but I would guess he would be a Pro Bowler.

OK educate me. Tell me how many of his tackles were after 3 yards? Specifically? Please cite the source. Could you also quantify the percentage of those that he made the tackle pursuing laterally and making up for someone else who didn't make the tackle.

BTW Chad Brown and Levon Kirkland are retired so they don't factor into the discussion. I'd actually prefer Jack Lambert if we were engaging in a history lesson. Farrior of two years ago is not the Farrior of last year so again not part of the discussion.

[steelz09]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

You didn't answer my question.. you provided team tackling statistics, not Timmons'.

How many of TIMMONS tackles were after 3 yards? How many tackles were due to pass coverage?

How many of Timmons sacks / QB pressures came from the OLB position (when he's stacked with an OLB)? How many from his ACTUAL position in which he responsible for (ILB)?

Again, I just think the Steelers drafted Timmons without a clue on how to implement him fulltime. That was an after thought. Oh, he's an OLB....wait no... an ILB... wait, maybe he's an OLB.. hell, we don't know.

As a 3-4 ILB.. i would take Chad Brown, Kirkland or the Farrior of a couple years ago before Timmons.. just sayin'

As a 4-3 LB, we just don't know but I would guess he would be a Pro Bowler.

Tell me how many of his tackles were after 3 yards? Specifically? Please cite the source.

BTW Chad Brown and Levon Kirkland are retired so they don't factor into the discussion. Farrior of two years ago is not the Farrior of last year so again not part of the discussion.

I asked you the question. Do you always answer a question with another question?

I wish I had the time to research those but I don't....but if the person makes tackles 3+ yards after the fact then who cares.. Just run the ball to his side 3 times straight and you have first downs drive after drive after drive.

And I don't know if you recall but Timmons is brought on MANY blitzes that resulted in sacks / QB hurries from the outside. Just watch last years film and you'll see. They stack Timmons with an OLB. Woodley / Harrison picks off the one guy and leaves Timmons running free or on a RB.

As far as Kirkland / Chad Brown / Farrier of approx 2 years ago. It is part of the discussion because I made it part of the discussion . My point is .. LB expectations are high in Pittsburgh especially if your a 1st round pick. And those 3 ILB's were better at being pure ILB's than Timmons is. Oh, and by the way .. Woodley, a 2nd round pick in the same draft is outperforming Timmons as well as UDFA Harrison. The only LB in the past several years that Timmons MAY exceed is definitely Haggans (doesn't take much), and most likely Foote. But it will be interesting next year with the Foote signing. Let's see what the coaching staff thinks... Foote / Fox in on obvious rushing downs or Timmons.

[stlrz d]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

Again, how has the defense suffered? It hasn't. Here are some facts:

2009: Ranked #3/3.9 yds per att/89.9 yards per game allowed
2008: Ranked #2/3.3 yars per att/80.3 yards per game allowed

Wow, Timmons has really taken the team down the road to destruction. I think any drop off was proabably more because of Farrior than Timmons and the drop off is statistically meaningless.

BTW,

2007: Ranked #3/4.0 yds per att/89.9 yards per game allowed (Does Timmons get blamed for this too?)

Timmons has had NO NEGATIVE IMPACT playing on the inside whatsoever. He has increased pass protection and sacks from the ILB position. Reality and facts clearly prove perceptions to be inadequete or at least shaped by false preconceived prejudices or agendas.

And don't forget Aaron Smith being out.

[steelz09]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

Again, how has the defense suffered? It hasn't. Here are some facts:

2009: Ranked #3/3.9 yds per att/89.9 yards per game allowed
2008: Ranked #2/3.3 yars per att/80.3 yards per game allowed

Wow, Timmons has really taken the team down the road to destruction. I think any drop off was proabably more because of Farrior than Timmons and the drop off is statistically meaningless.

BTW,

2007: Ranked #3/4.0 yds per att/89.9 yards per game allowed (Does Timmons get blamed for this too?)

Timmons has had NO NEGATIVE IMPACT playing on the inside whatsoever. He has increased pass protection and sacks from the ILB position. Reality and facts clearly prove perceptions to be inadequete or at least shaped by false preconceived prejudices or agendas.

And don't forget Aaron Smith being out.

hmmm .... Good point, Smith, one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league just happens to be on Farrior's side, not Timmons'

[stlrz d]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

Again, how has the defense suffered? It hasn't. Here are some facts:

2009: Ranked #3/3.9 yds per att/89.9 yards per game allowed
2008: Ranked #2/3.3 yars per att/80.3 yards per game allowed

Wow, Timmons has really taken the team down the road to destruction. I think any drop off was proabably more because of Farrior than Timmons and the drop off is statistically meaningless.

BTW,

2007: Ranked #3/4.0 yds per att/89.9 yards per game allowed (Does Timmons get blamed for this too?)

Timmons has had NO NEGATIVE IMPACT playing on the inside whatsoever. He has increased pass protection and sacks from the ILB position. Reality and facts clearly prove perceptions to be inadequete or at least shaped by false preconceived prejudices or agendas.

And don't forget Aaron Smith being out.

hmmm .... Good point, Smith, one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league just happens to be on Farrior's side, not Timmons'

It doesn't matter what side he's on.

But if you wanna play that game, Smith being out affects Farrior...which affects Timmons.

[steelz09]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

[quote=stlrz d]

Again, how has the defense suffered? It hasn't. Here are some facts:

2009: Ranked #3/3.9 yds per att/89.9 yards per game allowed
2008: Ranked #2/3.3 yars per att/80.3 yards per game allowed

Wow, Timmons has really taken the team down the road to destruction. I think any drop off was proabably more because of Farrior than Timmons and the drop off is statistically meaningless.

BTW,

2007: Ranked #3/4.0 yds per att/89.9 yards per game allowed (Does Timmons get blamed for this too?)

Timmons has had NO NEGATIVE IMPACT playing on the inside whatsoever. He has increased pass protection and sacks from the ILB position. Reality and facts clearly prove perceptions to be inadequete or at least shaped by false preconceived prejudices or agendas.

And don't forget Aaron Smith being out.

hmmm .... Good point, Smith, one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league just happens to be on Farrior's side, not Timmons'

It doesn't matter what side he's on.

But if you wanna play that game, Smith being out affects Farrior...which affects Timmons. [/quote:2mdacd6q]

True.. true... which also allows Timmons to pad his "tackle" statistics. lol

[stlrz d]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

It's not padding if you're picking up for someone else's slack.

Talk to Ray Lewis about padding.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

why is ubrick considered a bust when every other lineman on our squad played just as much as him in their rookie years?

some patience, people

for God's sake

[Chadman]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

Umm....if you say that 4-3 OLB's can't be asked to be 3-4 ILB's- what does that say about James Farrior?

He was a 4-3 OLB at the Jets before coming to Pittsburgh....

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

why is ubrick considered a bust when every other lineman on our squad played just as much as him in their rookie years?

some patience, people

for God's sake

sorry, we don't have the time to be patient here on message boards...we live event by event, day by day around here.

we knew right away that Troy "Bustamalu" wasn't gonna cut it in the NFL, Urbik ain't gonna make it either. switch him to center already and draft a new RG!

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

The team had no idea what it was doing when it drafted Timmons? It is not as if James Harrison was already defensive player of the year, and Woodley already had multiple sack games in his first four playoff games when Timmons was drafted.

Joey Porter was cut the same offseason in which we drafted Timmons, and Clark Haggans was on his way out as well (he would be gone the following offseason). At that point, James Harrison's experience as a starter consisted of one single game (when Porter and William Green got into in at midfield during pre-game warmups and both were ejected before the game even started), so he essentially a complete unknown when it came to his abilities to be a full time starter. When they selected Timmons in round one, the team had no idea that LaMarr Woodley would be available when their turn came in round two. That was a bonus (to say the least).

You compare Timmons to Chad Brown, which I think is an apt comparison. Both are athletic guys who had success blitzing up the middle, and could move outside if injuries occur to our outside backers (Chad's best statistical season as a Steeler was when he moved to OLB when Greg Lloyd was injured).

I think Foote was brought in as Farrior slowing down insurance, not as any sort of threat to take Timmons' job. None of the other ILB's on this team are capable of 7 sacks and 4 forced fumbles.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

The team had no idea what it was doing when it drafted Timmons? It is not as if James Harrison was already defensive player of the year, and Woodley already had multiple sack games in his first four playoff games when Timmons was drafted.

Joey Porter was cut the same offseason in which we drafted Timmons, and Clark Haggans was on his way out as well (he would be gone the following offseason). At that point, James Harrison's experience as a starter consisted of one single game (when Porter and William Green got into in at midfield during pre-game warmups and both were ejected before the game even started), so he essentially a complete unknown when it came to his abilities to be a full time starter. When they selected Timmons in round one, the team had no idea that LaMarr Woodley would be available when their turn came in round two. That was a bonus (to say the least).

You compare Timmons to Chad Brown, which I think is an apt comparison. Both are athletic guys who had success blitzing up the middle, and could move outside if injuries occur to our outside backers (Chad's best statistical season as a Steeler was when he moved to OLB when Greg Lloyd was injured).

I think Foote was brought in as Farrior slowing down insurance, not as any sort of threat to take Timmons' job. None of the other ILB's on this team are capable of 7 sacks and 4 forced fumbles.

with the benefit of hindsight, I would have preferred Jon Beason over Timmons.

but i'm happy with Timmons, he's a good player. and i'm pretty happy with that Woodley guy we got in the second round so i would say things turned out pretty well.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

with the benefit of hindsight, I would have preferred Jon Beason over Timmons.

but i'm happy with Timmons, he's a good player. and i'm pretty happy with that Woodley guy we got in the second round so i would say things turned out pretty well.

Exactly...hindsight. If we knew then that Woodley would be available in the next round and the Harrison would erupt into a DPOY, then a pure ILB like Beason would have been the more logical choice. But we did not know that at that time, so the more versatile Timmons made more sense at that time.