Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

[Chadman]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

why is ubrick considered a bust when every other lineman on our squad played just as much as him in their rookie years?

some patience, people

for God's sake

All of them, that is, except UNDRAFTED ROOKIE Ramon Foster who actually passed DRAFTED ROOKIE Kraig Urbik on the depth chart, to start at RG after Kemo got hurt.

Not a good sign...

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

why is ubrick considered a bust when every other lineman on our squad played just as much as him in their rookie years?

some patience, people

for God's sake

All of them, that is, except UNDRAFTED ROOKIE Ramon Foster who actually passed DRAFTED ROOKIE Kraig Urbik on the depth chart, to start at RG after Kemo got hurt.

Not a good sign...

i give props to Ramon Foster, it is very rare that an UDFA like him comes in and sees significant playing time.

Urbik will come in this year listed #3 on the depth chart at RG behind Essex and Foster, if the Steelers select Mike Iupati this year Urbik may well be moved to center.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

why is ubrick considered a bust when every other lineman on our squad played just as much as him in their rookie years?

some patience, people

for God's sake

All of them, that is, except UNDRAFTED ROOKIE Ramon Foster who actually passed DRAFTED ROOKIE Kraig Urbik on the depth chart, to start at RG after Kemo got hurt.

Not a good sign...

did foster play a zone blocking scheme in college? did ubrick?
maybe he had an advantage (i really dont know, so i'm just putting this out there)

wasn't foster an OT in college and ubrick was strictly a guard.

do you think being able to possibly fill in at at Guard and tackle may have been a factor in dressing and starting foster over ubrick.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

[quote=NJ-STEELER]

why is ubrick considered a bust when every other lineman on our squad played just as much as him in their rookie years?

some patience, people

for God's sake

All of them, that is, except UNDRAFTED ROOKIE Ramon Foster who actually passed DRAFTED ROOKIE Kraig Urbik on the depth chart, to start at RG after Kemo got hurt.

Not a good sign...

did foster play a zone blocking scheme in college? did ubrick?
maybe he had an advantage (i really dont know, so i'm just putting this out there)

wasn't foster an OT in college and ubrick was strictly a guard.

do you think being able to possibly fill in at at Guard and tackle may have been a factor in dressing and starting foster over ubrick.[/quote:r82giy17]



Urbik will be given every chance to win the RG position this training camp and he should make the roster. the fact the Steelers aren't re-signing Darnell Stapleton helps Urbik's cause, given time i think Urbik may still pan out because he is a hard worker.

but he needs to show something early in camp, so far Urbik has only shown the Steelers poor footwork.

[Oviedo]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

I'm still waiting for the tackles after 3+ yards stats for Timmons. I can't find them but then again I don't believe the conjecture. Then again, those stats really don't exist but it is cited as a weakness of his because of "personal observation."

You may not like Timmons and his choice as #1 but at least be intellectually honest and just state that as opposed to making up and referencing non exisitent stats as the baisis of your argument.

The reality is that Timmons is a young 24 year old starter who will be in the mix on this team for several more years. He has done well and will do better.

[Chadman]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

[quote=NJ-STEELER]

why is ubrick considered a bust when every other lineman on our squad played just as much as him in their rookie years?

some patience, people

for God's sake

All of them, that is, except UNDRAFTED ROOKIE Ramon Foster who actually passed DRAFTED ROOKIE Kraig Urbik on the depth chart, to start at RG after Kemo got hurt.

Not a good sign...

did foster play a zone blocking scheme in college? did ubrick?
maybe he had an advantage (i really dont know, so i'm just putting this out there)

wasn't foster an OT in college and ubrick was strictly a guard.

do you think being able to possibly fill in at at Guard and tackle may have been a factor in dressing and starting foster over ubrick.[/quote:1ygh7u9z]

Urbik was drafted from Wisconsin- and both Larry Z & Bruce Arians said that Urbik excelled at Zone Blocking. Of course, Larry Z is gone now, and Arians has been reigned in...is Zone Blocking going the way of the dinosaur in Pittsburgh?

Also, Urbik played both OG & RT at Wisconsin- Foster played strictly OT. Yet Foster still got the LG gig ahead of Urbik....uh oh....

[StarSpangledSteeler]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

I'm still waiting for the tackles after 3+ yards stats for Timmons. I can't find them but then again I don't believe the conjecture. Then again, those stats really don't exist but it is cited as a weakness of his because of "personal observation."

You may not like Timmons and his choice as #1 but at least be intellectually honest and just state that as opposed to making up and referencing non exisitent stats as the baisis of your argument.

The reality is that Timmons is a young 24 year old starter who will be in the mix on this team for several more years. He has done well and will do better.

I agree. I think of Timmons as a bonus, not a waste. Football is a game of injuries. In a 3-4 defense your ROLB is your primary playmaker. You must have his back up ready at all times. It is a great luxury and a bonus to have a player with Timmons' ability ready to shift outside, should he be needed.

if Harrison gets hurt, we may very well be praising the day we drafted Timmons. I think Timmons would surprise a lot of people if given the chance to start at OLB. Harrison certainly did.

[steelz09]

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ok -- so stats that would show tackles after yardage gained (particularly on rush plays) is useless?

That's possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all day, and today was "one of those days"

Let's see, I guess tackles behind the line of scrimmage don't matter either

[Chadman]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

ok -- so stats that would show tackles after yardage gained (particularly on rush plays) is useless?

That's possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all day, and today was "one of those days"

Let's see, I guess tackles behind the line of scrimmage don't matter either

Someone is wearing the poopy pants....

[Oviedo]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

ok -- so stats that would show tackles after yardage gained (particularly on rush plays) is useless?

That's possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all day, and today was "one of those days"

Let's see, I guess tackles behind the line of scrimmage don't matter either

Someone is wearing the poopy pants....

Someone can't produce the imaginary damning stats they use to condemn Timmons and won't admit there is no reason other than they just don't like the pick three years ago and won't no matter what he does.

[ikestops85]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

ok -- so stats that would show tackles after yardage gained (particularly on rush plays) is useless?

That's possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all day, and today was "one of those days"

Let's see, I guess tackles behind the line of scrimmage don't matter either

I don't think those stats would be useless but like most stats it would be misleading. Timmons has amazing explosiveness towards the ball and makes a lot of tackles in other defenders coverage area.

If the offense ran a sweep right and Timmons went and made the tackle 4 yards downfield this stat would count against him even though he made a good play. The same thing on any cutback or reversal of field that the runner made. For the stat to be meaningful you would have to know the defensive responsibility on each play and the runners point of attack. This is something that we, as football know-it-alls posting on a message board, have no way of knowing ...

but it makes for good discussion to speculate.

[Oviedo]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

ok -- so stats that would show tackles after yardage gained (particularly on rush plays) is useless?

That's possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all day, and today was "one of those days"

Let's see, I guess tackles behind the line of scrimmage don't matter either

I don't think those stats would be useless but like most stats it would be misleading. Timmons has amazing explosiveness towards the ball and makes a lot of tackles in other defenders coverage area.

If the offense ran a sweep right and Timmons went and made the tackle 4 yards downfield this stat would count against him even though he made a good play. The same thing on any cutback or reversal of field that the runner made. For the stat to be meaningful you would have to know the defensive responsibility on each play and the runners point of attack. This is something that we, as football know-it-alls posting on a message board, have no way of knowing ...

but it makes for good discussion to speculate.

You are correct and you bring up the key point. Fans have absolutely no idea what a player is being asked to do play to play.

I just can't see the criticism of a player is is 5th on the team in tackles, 3rd in sacks and 2nd in forced fumbles. Those are pretty impressive for a player who played hurt and missed I think 3 games. Pretty ridiculous to criticize that when you can produce no evidence that he is doing anything wrong or poorly.

[steelz09]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

ok -- so stats that would show tackles after yardage gained (particularly on rush plays) is useless?

That's possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all day, and today was "one of those days"

Let's see, I guess tackles behind the line of scrimmage don't matter either

I don't think those stats would be useless but like most stats it would be misleading. Timmons has amazing explosiveness towards the ball and makes a lot of tackles in other defenders coverage area.

If the offense ran a sweep right and Timmons went and made the tackle 4 yards downfield this stat would count against him even though he made a good play. The same thing on any cutback or reversal of field that the runner made. For the stat to be meaningful you would have to know the defensive responsibility on each play and the runners point of attack. This is something that we, as football know-it-alls posting on a message board, have no way of knowing ...

but it makes for good discussion to speculate.

You are correct and you bring up the key point. Fans have absolutely no idea what a player is being asked to do play to play.

I just can't see the criticism of a player is is 5th on the team in tackles, 3rd in sacks and 2nd in forced fumbles. Those are pretty impressive for a player who played hurt and missed I think 3 games. Pretty ridiculous to criticize that when you can produce no evidence that he is doing anything wrong or poorly.

My evidence is captured by watching the game and re-watching the game(s) with my eyes open, not closed. And especially not having the Steelers "blinders" on.

[ramblinjim]

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Re: Urbick and Foster: Does anyone remember? IIRC, there was a health related or off the field related reason why Foster fell to UDFA wasn't there? Just like Kemo fell to the 6th round b/c no one thought he could control his temper?

Timmons may play better with Foote than with Farrior. Just a thought.

[steelz09]

Re: Who Will the Pittsburgh Steelers Target in Round One?

Re: Urbick and Foster: Does anyone remember? IIRC, there was a health related or off the field related reason why Foster fell to UDFA wasn't there? Just like Kemo fell to the 6th round b/c no one thought he could control his temper?

Timmons may play better with Foote than with Farrior. Just a thought.

Very possibly.. I have no idea regarding the Foster health issue though