I could see this guy being the pick at #18

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  • Oviedo
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    • May 2008
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    I could see this guy being the pick at #18

    I'd prefer to trade down to pick up a late #2 or #3 and still get him but he fills a need. Would allow Timmons to move into Farrior's position.

    Brandon Spikes
    School: Florida
    Position: Linebacker
    Height: 6-3
    Weight: 256
    Projected 40-Time: 4.80

    Star Rating: Grade: 90
    Draft Projection: 1st - 2nd Round

    Star rating is based on a prospects standing (as of February 1st) in the 2010 Scout.com Draft Rankings. A prospects grade is measured on the following scale:

    85-100 = 1st - 2nd Round
    _70-84 = 3rd - 4th Round
    _55-69 = 5th - 6th Round
    _40-54 = 7th Round - UDFA

    Spikes could go in the first round, he could go in the second round; a lot depends on his timed speed.


    Strengths: Spikes is an aggressive and versatile linebacker who brings the complete package to the field. He has great size, quick feet and the instincts to always be around the ball. He enjoys the physical part of the game, initiates contact, sheds blocks well and demonstrates proper tackling technique defending against the run. He has good lateral agility, takes good angles in pursuit on the perimeter and brings down the ballcarrier on initial contact. He breaks down well in space. He’s forceful at the line of scrimmage and shows patience in blitz packages. He’s surprisingly fluid for a linebacker of his size, gets good depth on his drops, reads the quarterback well and flashes on the scene with a purpose as the ball arrives to the receiver. He has a pedigree, plays the game with passion and is popular among his teammates.

    Weaknesses: He’s more quick than fast and has questionable straight-line speed. He tends to be undisciplined at times and will miss tackles because he over pursues. He gets off blocks well, but he has to improve his hand placement against a bigger opposition.

    Steuber Says: A three-year starter at Florida, Spikes enters the NFL with a tremendous amount of experience, as he’s played in 47 games, starting 39 during his four-year career with the Gators. As illustrious as Spikes’ career was at Florida, the fact of the matter is that after his standout sophomore season (2007) where he recorded 131 tackles, 16 for a loss and 1.5 sacks; his tackle production has dropped significantly. As a junior, Spikes amassed 93 tackles, and this past season he had just 68. Spikes made headlines in ’09, not for his play on the field, but for the eye gouge incident he initiated against Georgia running back Washaun Ealey. For his actions, Spikes received a one-game suspension; he isn’t known as a trouble maker and that was the only questionable instance he had at Florida. While Spikes primarily played middle linebacker in college, he has the attributes that will allow him to play outside if needed. He will attract interest from 3-4 and 4-3 teams in the draft, but he’s being a bit undervalued, because of the questions surrounding his straight-line speed; Spikes is a gamer and plays much faster than his timed speed. Spikes is a borderline first round pick, just as James Laurinaitis and Rey Maualuga were in the 2009 draft. Laurinaitis and Maualuga fell to the second round after scouts had concerns about their speed and ability to be every down linebackers; Spikes could experience a similar fate
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  • steelblood
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 4166

    #2
    Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

    In bigger games, I thought he struggled to get off blocks. He is a very good prospect, but I am hoping there are better values at 18.
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    • grotonsteel
      Hall of Famer
      • Jul 2008
      • 2810

      #3
      Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

      I would not mind Brandon Spikes but not at #18. I hope Steelers trade down in 1st Rd or trade up in Rd 2 for Spikes.

      I prefer Spikes over McClain for Steelers D.
      Steelers Draft 2015
      Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
      Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
      Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
      Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
      Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
      Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
      Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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      • Oviedo
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        • May 2008
        • 23824

        #4
        Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

        Originally posted by grotonsteel
        I would not mind Brandon Spikes but not at #18. I hope Steelers trade down in 1st Rd or trade up in Rd 2 for Spikes.

        I prefer Spikes over McClain for Steelers D.
        I'd be OK with Spikes, but no way over McClain. McClain IMO will be this year's Patrick Willis. If I could get any player in Round 1 it would be him.
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        • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
          Hall of Famer
          • May 2008
          • 3937

          #5
          Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

          The fear is if he runs that 4.8 at the combine. He needs some low 4.7's to be that late 1st early second pick. If he runs the late 4.7's and 4.8, like some say he will, he might be there in the 2nd. In my opinion, he would be Farrior's replacement because he might not have the foot speed to be productive from the backside. However, he could be a liability in man on the TE from that spot so I'm sure that will have be addressed. You watch some film on this guy and on some plays he looks to have some good foot speed and the ability to close. On most other plays, he takes bad angles toward the LOS. This is a perfect example of a players combine workout impacting his draft status. He is a big, physical presence on the field and was a good team leader at Florida. You can't guage how his speed will translate to the NFL if his 40 and cones are average. He has the frame and instincts you look for in an ILB but the risk is does he have enough speed for the next level.

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          • Oviedo
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            • May 2008
            • 23824

            #6
            Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

            Originally posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
            The fear is if he runs that 4.8 at the combine. He needs some low 4.7's to be that late 1st early second pick. If he runs the late 4.7's and 4.8, like some say he will, he might be there in the 2nd. In my opinion, he would be Farrior's replacement because he might not have the foot speed to be productive from the backside. However, he could be a liability in man on the TE from that spot so I'm sure that will have be addressed. You watch some film on this guy and on some plays he looks to have some good foot speed and the ability to close. On most other plays, he takes bad angles toward the LOS. This is a perfect example of a players combine workout impacting his draft status. He is a big, physical presence on the field and was a good team leader at Florida. You can't guage how his speed will translate to the NFL if his 40 and cones are average. He has the frame and instincts you look for in an ILB but the risk is does he have enough speed for the next level.
            I had read something that he has a foot condition ("splay foot" I think) that has always impacted his 40 yard time but he does very well with quickness and agility drills. I don't think you can discount his production in a premier program in a premier conference. The SEC plays faster than any conference in college football and his 40 time never hurt him in being a dominant player.

            Like I said I would like to see the option to trade down about 5 picks and still get him but if we like him I'd have no problem at #18. I pretty much ignore the rankings because if you like a player and he fits what you do you get him when you can versus waiting based on rankings and missing out on him.
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            • RuthlessBurgher
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              • May 2008
              • 33208

              #7
              Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

              If he's there for us in round 2, that's one thing, but I don't want any part of him in round 1. While potentially elite ILB's like Patrick Willis and Rolando McClain get taken in the top half of the first round, other solid college ILB's like James Laurinaitis, Rey Maualuga, and Brandon Spikes tend to fall into the second since teams tend to prioritize other positions more with their top pick. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if a more athletic ILB like TCU's Daryl Washington gets picked before Spikes in the early 2nd round, so it is not out of the realm of possibility that Spikes falls to us at #52.
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              • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                Hall of Famer
                • May 2008
                • 3937

                #8
                Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

                Originally posted by Oviedo
                I had read something that he has a foot condition ("splay foot" I think) that has always impacted his 40 yard time but he does very well with quickness and agility drills. I don't think you can discount his production in a premier program in a premier conference. The SEC plays faster than any conference in college football and his 40 time never hurt him in being a dominant player.

                Like I said I would like to see the option to trade down about 5 picks and still get him but if we like him I'd have no problem at #18. I pretty much ignore the rankings because if you like a player and he fits what you do you get him when you can versus waiting based on rankings and missing out on him.
                First, I like Spikes. I will pick him with our 2nd. He very well could be there and after the combine...He could slip late 2nd early third. I don't look at the rankings...I gather my own info and opinion by play on the field and combine drill times. 40 times are asterisks...You go further. If you are going to get info on places like youtube...Don't look for highlights...Look for game summaries. Below is Spikes VS LSU. "Premier Competition" like you stated. Spikes had 2 ints this game & one returned for TD. Look at the summary sheet and you say he had a great game. Dig deeper...opinion might be different. He did some good things but some poor things to note.

                [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNRr7o9o7VM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNRr7o9o7VM[/url]


                Some plays of note:

                :14 - Playing too high to take on FB. This will be followed by a "Welcome to the NFL Rook" on Sundays next year.

                1:09 - Sweep onside. Recognizes quickly. Tries to undercut TE instead of taking on block and shedding to outside. Taken off his feet/Tripped up.

                1:20 - Takes false steps and alows runner to get 5 yards downfield before he makes tackle. Even though the false steps were bad he still had good recovery to get through wash and keep himself in play.

                1:26 - Little late recognizing it was an option while he read FB. Was a little to deep & inside because of it allowing FB to get outside of him & upfield at his feet. Quicker read or faster down line he could have engaged FB on his feet and either strung play out to sideline or forced it back inside. Onside of play a RB in the backfield should never get between you and the sideline.

                1:39 - Takes FB on nicely in hole with the correct shoulder. Needs to be under control because he should have made the tackle. It was the difference between him making the tackle for no gain or letting the RB get 8 yards. Not expected to make that no gain tackle everytime but when you come off clean from the FB you would expect him to at least get the fall away tackle.

                1:51 - Zone drop and WR makes catch in front of him. Over pursues and misses tackle off good move by WR. Looks like he gave up after the WR got free.

                3:07 - First of all...It is Trindon Holliday. Since he is in my mock..have to give him some love. As far as Spikes, he had good position and kept himself clean of OT. (He is lined up on the DL standing up.) Gave up outside contain. What bothers me most is he gave up on play.

                3:22 - I'm sure Spikes took some heat on this in the film room. Goaline, came clean to make tackle. Hit the QB Hatch at the 2 and allowed him into the endzone. Hatch is a big guy but Spikes is more physical than that.

                You can do this on every guy in the draft and I am not down on Spikes. He just hasn't shown me enough to be a pick at #18. If he has a poor combine, I think his stock drops.

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                • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 3937

                  #9
                  Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

                  Originally posted by Oviedo
                  Originally posted by grotonsteel
                  I would not mind Brandon Spikes but not at #18. I hope Steelers trade down in 1st Rd or trade up in Rd 2 for Spikes.

                  I prefer Spikes over McClain for Steelers D.
                  I'd be OK with Spikes, but no way over McClain. McClain IMO will be this year's Patrick Willis. If I could get any player in Round 1 it would be him.
                  Really O? I don't like Mcclain that much. My Top ILB in this draft is Weatherspoon. He is, in my opinion, this years Willis. McClain is very stiff and not much faster than Spikes. Spikes is more physical than McClain to me. Honestly, if I had to choose out of the 3, it would be Spoon. He will be something special with NFL caliber DL in front of him. He is my 2nd choice if Williams is gone. And honestly, I might say that after the combine even if McClain is still there.

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                  • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                    Hall of Famer
                    • May 2008
                    • 3937

                    #10
                    Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

                    Maybe I could help guys. Here is some very objective film on McClain, Spikes, & Spoon. Interesting to see something. Before you watch amy of this....Rank the 3. After you watch these, see if it changes.


                    McClain
                    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJwMCgaxKo&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJwMCga ... re=related[/url]
                    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG6bwopKTc&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG6bwop ... re=related[/url]


                    Spikes
                    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5voTSl9uEI&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5voTSl9 ... re=related[/url]
                    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoM2zCgQM2Y&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoM2zCgQ ... re=related[/url]

                    Spoon
                    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5o2_31HX9I&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5o2_31H ... re=related[/url]
                    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx-BxSaQVh4&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx-BxSaQ ... re=related[/url]

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                    • hawaiiansteel
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 35649

                      #11
                      Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

                      this is an interesting comment regarding U of Washington ILB Donald Butler...


                      Great Blue North Draft Panel
                      02/20/10


                      We wrapped up the session by asking each of the panelists if they had any rising and/or falling players to watch as we head into this week’s scouting combine in Indianapolis.

                      Jones says guys he will be watching this week in Indianapolis to see if they can maintain the momentum they generated at the Senior Bowl in DEs Brandon Graham of Michigan and Alex Carrington of Akansas State, Boise State CB Kyle Wilson, along with small school offensive linemen Mike Iupati of Idaho and UMass’s Vladimir Ducasse. For his part, GM jr Lande followed up on his QB comments noting that “QB Jonathan Crompton from Tennessee is moving up boards, as is Washington MLB Donald Butler.” Indeed, Lande cautions that nobody should be shocked if he ends up being the first LB chosen this year. Lande also notes that Chris Cook the DB from Virginia has teams thinking he could sneak into the bottom of the 1st round possibly and will definitely be gone by the end of the 2nd round. For Wright when one talks rising players “two guys that come right to mind are Utah DE/OLB Koa Misi and Louisiana-Lafayette DE Hall Davis, who I've been saying are going to go a lot higher than people realize for a couple of months now. Don't be shocked when Misi comes off the board in round two and Davis is selected as early as round three or four. Others who I see moving up over the course of the next couple of months are Georgia Tech WR Demaryius Thomas, Hillsdale OT Jared Veldheer, Arkansas State DE Alex Carrington, Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews, Indiana OT Rodger Saffold and Texas DT Lamarr Houston.” Coyle also lists Idaho OG Mike Iupati, who was “impressive at the Senior Bowl and probably earns him a rare first round selection for a guard“; Michigan DE Brandon Graham; Tennessee DT Dan Williams; Missouri LB Sean Weatherspoon; and Boise State CB Kyle Wilson.

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                      • Shawn
                        Legend
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 15131

                        #12
                        Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

                        I say we give Fox a shot before we use a first round pick on a position that could possibly be filled.
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                        • NW Steeler
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 1391

                          #13
                          Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

                          Originally posted by Shawn
                          I say we give Fox a shot before we use a first round pick on a position that could possibly be filled.
                          Well, unless Farrior is released, Fox still won't get a shot there. Either way, we need depth there and if we have a chance to draft a premier talent for ILB, we should take it. Timmons will be moved to OLB once we swith to a 4-3 anyway, right Oviedo? This team has zero depth at the LB position. If Harrison or Woodley go down, Timmons would move into that spot. Then we are left with Farrior and Fox at ILB. More and more it looks like BPA at #18, as long as it on D.

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                          • Shawn
                            Legend
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 15131

                            #14
                            Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

                            Originally posted by NW Steeler
                            Originally posted by Shawn
                            I say we give Fox a shot before we use a first round pick on a position that could possibly be filled.
                            Well, unless Farrior is released, Fox still won't get a shot there. Either way, we need depth there and if we have a chance to draft a premier talent for ILB, we should take it. Timmons will be moved to OLB once we swith to a 4-3 anyway, right Oviedo? This team has zero depth at the LB position. If Harrison or Woodley go down, Timmons would move into that spot. Thne we are left with Farrior and Fox at ILB. More and more it looks like BPA at #18, as long as it on D.
                            I'm not so sure about that. We can keep Farrior for depth. But, this is the year to let Timmons fight it out with Farrior for the Buck.
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                            • NW Steeler
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 1391

                              #15
                              Re: I could see this guy being the pick at #18

                              We still have zero depth in that scenario.

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