The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

[RuthlessBurgher]

Typically, trades don't happen in the NFL because of salary cap reasons. When you get rid of a guy, the remainder of his signing bonus gets accelerated to your current season's salary cap, making it nearly impossible to unload big name guys that have long-term contracts with large signing bonuses attached to them. However, with there being no salary cap this season, you can cut a guy with a bad contract with no crippling cap ramifications. And you can also trade veterans without having to worry about accelerated signing bonuses ruining a potential deal.

I've been a proponent of improving our offense by upgrading our offensive line for some time now. Although our o-line has shown improvement, it is still merely adequate. Our best players are only average to slightly above average guys...there is no one that can truly dominate like Mike Webster, Dermontti Dawson, or Alan Faneca in their primes. We don't even have a Jon Kolb, John Jackson, or Jeff Hartings type.

Dominant linemen like Jake Long, Joe Thomas, and Ryan Clady have entered the league in recent years, but we have not been able to be in position to draft guys like that. Those teams, though...the Dolphins, Browns, and Broncos...could all use a legit deep threat at WR, though, which is something that we have. Would you be willing to put together a trade package featuring our current LT Max Starks and rookie phenom WR Mike Wallace in order to get a dominating young LT like Long, Thomas, or Clady? No one wants to get rid of dynamic young player like Wallace, but we'd still have Ward and Holmes, plus you could possibly draft a replacement for Wallace (someone like Jacoby Ford in the 3rd round) and hope that Sweed develops. What else might it take to get this admittedly totally off-the-wall hypothetical scenario off the ground? Who's with me?

[birtikidis]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

I like wallace, and feel that he's the heir apparent to ward, so i wouldn't want to get rid of him. and for as much maligned as our offensive line is, I still believe it's a matter of philosophy and ben's style of play. we'd still give up 40+ sacks even with a great left tackle.

[stlrz d]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

I like wallace, and feel that he's the heir apparent to ward, so i wouldn't want to get rid of him. and for as much maligned as our offensive line is, I still believe it's a matter of philosophy and ben's style of play. we'd still give up 40+ sacks even with a great left tackle.

Maybe 25+ but not 40+. A good number of the sacks Ben takes are because someone is in his face at the snap of the ball. Sometimes they get him right away and sometimes they get him as he's trying to get away and make something happen.

By far the lowest number of sacks that he takes are the ones where he's extending the play forever. By far.

To answer the question, no, I would not trade Wallace. He looks like he's going to be very special.

[Jooser]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

I don't know, maybe if Wallace had spent half of last season nursing an imaginary knee injury I'd be willing to part with him, but...

Seriously, I see where you're going with this and it's not that bad of a strategy. But, if Ward or Holmes go down to injury, what then?

[birtikidis]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

I like wallace, and feel that he's the heir apparent to ward, so i wouldn't want to get rid of him. and for as much maligned as our offensive line is, I still believe it's a matter of philosophy and ben's style of play. we'd still give up 40+ sacks even with a great left tackle.

Maybe 25+ but not 40+. A good number of the sacks Ben takes are because someone is in his face at the snap of the ball. Sometimes they get him right away and sometimes they get him as he's trying to get away and make something happen.

By far the lowest number of sacks that he takes are the ones where he's extending the play forever. By far.

To answer the question, no, I would not trade Wallace. He looks like he's going to be very special.

even when ben had 3 first round picks on the line, a second rounder at tackle and 3rd at rt he took 45.. so what makes you think only 25?

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

no, I would rather draft an OT in the first round this year (Bryan Bulaga would be my favorite) and keep both Max Starks and Mike Wallace.

[Shawn]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

I'm a Starks and Wallace fan so my answer would be no. I honestly think that Wallace will be a Pro Bowl WR before all is said and done.

I would personally rather package someone like Harrison. I know I know...Harrison is a freak. But I would trade him and a third rounder for Long. I would prefer to move Timmons to the outside and slide Starks back to RT and move Colon to guard. We would instantly have a tough OL. I think we would take minimal hit to our LBs because we would be making better use of our current talent. Timmons, Woodley, Farrior and Fox...grooming a first or second round ILB.

[stlrz d]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

I like wallace, and feel that he's the heir apparent to ward, so i wouldn't want to get rid of him. and for as much maligned as our offensive line is, I still believe it's a matter of philosophy and ben's style of play. we'd still give up 40+ sacks even with a great left tackle.

Maybe 25+ but not 40+. A good number of the sacks Ben takes are because someone is in his face at the snap of the ball. Sometimes they get him right away and sometimes they get him as he's trying to get away and make something happen.

By far the lowest number of sacks that he takes are the ones where he's extending the play forever. By far.

To answer the question, no, I would not trade Wallace. He looks like he's going to be very special.

even when ben had 3 first round picks on the line, a second rounder at tackle and 3rd at rt he took 45.. so what makes you think only 25?

I don't care where they were picked, our line was terrible...for a lot of reasons.

I'm a Starks and Wallace fan so my answer would be no. I honestly think that Wallace will be a Pro Bowl WR before all is said and done.

I would personally rather package someone like Harrison. I know I know...Harrison is a freak. But I would trade him and a third rounder for Long. I would prefer to move Timmons to the outside and slide Starks back to RT and move Colon to guard. We would instantly have a tough OL. I think we would take minimal hit to our LBs because we would be making better use of our current talent. Timmons, Woodley, Farrior and Fox...grooming a first or second round ILB.

The only people who say Colon is a guard are message board posters. The people who work with him and evaluate him have him at tackle because he's not a guard.

[Shawn]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

Is Colon a RT because we have no better option? Many scouts thought his skill set was better for the Guard position. What I know...despite some recent accolades is he is an average RT.

[Dee Dub]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

Ruthless my brother....from the mind of the man who is always thinking of "why not trade this for that"..( )...here's what I have to say about this...

1) The Steelers may end up drafting the best O-lineman in this entire draft at 18 anyways in Mike Iupati. This guys could be better than Faneca.

2) This is what I personally hope happens.

Willie Colon, Pittsburgh Steelers (27) – Restricted FA

Player with FOUR Accrued Seasons

Right of First Refusal — $1,176,000
Right of First Refusal + Pick in player’s original draft round — $1,176,000*
Right of First Refusal + Second-Round Draft Pick — $1,759,000*
Right of First Refusal + First-Round Draft Pick — $2,521,000*
Right of First Refusal + First- AND Third-Round Draft Picks — $3,168,000*

...think about it.

No trade necessary.

[stlrz d]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

Is Colon a RT because we have no better option? Many scouts thought his skill set was better for the Guard position. What I know...despite some recent accolades is he is an average RT.

When I hear Tunch and Wolf say he isn't a guard then that's enough for me. They see him a lot more than any of us do.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

If they wouldn't trade Joey Porter for draft picks when they obviously were looking to get rid of him, I don't see them trading anybody.

Have the Steelers ever traded an actual player? I know they traded picks to land Bettis but have they ever traded a player for picks or another player?

[birtikidis]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

[quote=stlrz d]

I like wallace, and feel that he's the heir apparent to ward, so i wouldn't want to get rid of him. and for as much maligned as our offensive line is, I still believe it's a matter of philosophy and ben's style of play. we'd still give up 40+ sacks even with a great left tackle.

Maybe 25+ but not 40+. A good number of the sacks Ben takes are because someone is in his face at the snap of the ball. Sometimes they get him right away and sometimes they get him as he's trying to get away and make something happen.

By far the lowest number of sacks that he takes are the ones where he's extending the play forever. By far.

To answer the question, no, I would not trade Wallace. He looks like he's going to be very special.

even when ben had 3 first round picks on the line, a second rounder at tackle and 3rd at rt he took 45.. so what makes you think only 25?

I don't care where they were picked, our line was terrible...for a lot of reasons.

I'm a Starks and Wallace fan so my answer would be no. I honestly think that Wallace will be a Pro Bowl WR before all is said and done.

I would personally rather package someone like Harrison. I know I know...Harrison is a freak. But I would trade him and a third rounder for Long. I would prefer to move Timmons to the outside and slide Starks back to RT and move Colon to guard. We would instantly have a tough OL. I think we would take minimal hit to our LBs because we would be making better use of our current talent. Timmons, Woodley, Farrior and Fox...grooming a first or second round ILB.

The only people who say Colon is a guard are message board posters. The people who work with him and evaluate him have him at tackle because he's not a guard.[/quote:3iojur8z]
I'm sorry, Faneca hartings marvel smith and even simmons were not terrible.

[stlrz d]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

[quote=birtikidis]

I like wallace, and feel that he's the heir apparent to ward, so i wouldn't want to get rid of him. and for as much maligned as our offensive line is, I still believe it's a matter of philosophy and ben's style of play. we'd still give up 40+ sacks even with a great left tackle.

Maybe 25+ but not 40+. A good number of the sacks Ben takes are because someone is in his face at the snap of the ball. Sometimes they get him right away and sometimes they get him as he's trying to get away and make something happen.

By far the lowest number of sacks that he takes are the ones where he's extending the play forever. By far.

To answer the question, no, I would not trade Wallace. He looks like he's going to be very special.

even when ben had 3 first round picks on the line, a second rounder at tackle and 3rd at rt he took 45.. so what makes you think only 25?

I don't care where they were picked, our line was terrible...for a lot of reasons.

I'm a Starks and Wallace fan so my answer would be no. I honestly think that Wallace will be a Pro Bowl WR before all is said and done.

I would personally rather package someone like Harrison. I know I know...Harrison is a freak. But I would trade him and a third rounder for Long. I would prefer to move Timmons to the outside and slide Starks back to RT and move Colon to guard. We would instantly have a tough OL. I think we would take minimal hit to our LBs because we would be making better use of our current talent. Timmons, Woodley, Farrior and Fox...grooming a first or second round ILB.

The only people who say Colon is a guard are message board posters. The people who work with him and evaluate him have him at tackle because he's not a guard.

I'm sorry, Faneca hartings marvel smith and even simmons were not terrible.[/quote:idqndqq6]

They sure were that season.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: The "Trading Troy" thread got me thinking about other trades

Ruthless my brother....from the mind of the man who is always thinking of "why not trade this for that"..( )...here's what I have to say about this...

1) The Steelers may end up drafting the best O-lineman in this entire draft at 18 anyways in Mike Iupati. This guys could be better than Faneca.

2) This is what I personally hope happens.

Willie Colon, Pittsburgh Steelers (27) – Restricted FA

Player with FOUR Accrued Seasons

Right of First Refusal — $1,176,000
Right of First Refusal + Pick in player’s original draft round — $1,176,000*
Right of First Refusal + Second-Round Draft Pick — $1,759,000*
Right of First Refusal + First-Round Draft Pick — $2,521,000*
Right of First Refusal + First- AND Third-Round Draft Picks — $3,168,000*

...think about it.

No trade necessary.

won't the Steelers be able to tag and keep Colon for at least two more seasons? i don't see our starting OTs as the problem, i'm more concerned with Hartwig and Essex as being the weak links in our OL...