Ben Getting Yahoo Love

[Shawn]

[url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-directsnap020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=j ... &type=lgns[/url]

Enjoy.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

The most unbelievable part of that article was the "good friend Dutch Wydo" part.

Seriously, though...it made sense when the author was talking about coordinators struggling to figure out a plan to attack Manning, but playing against Roethlisberger was more about the players actually being able to execute against Ben (or else he will shed an attempted sack and still be able to ad-lib a big play downfield).

[SteelAbility]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

The most unbelievable part of that article was the "good friend Dutch Wydo" part.

Seriously, though...it made sense when the author was talking about coordinators struggling to figure out a plan to attack Manning, but playing against Roethlisberger was more about the players actually being able to execute against Ben (or else he will shed an attempted sack and still be able to ad-lib a big play downfield).

That's a good point. Manning is more mechanical and "by the book" or "by the recipe." When the recipe breaks down Manning folds. He doesn't have his wits about him to correct the situation. When the recipe breaks down Ben has more wits about him to make dynamic adjustments and make plays. He's also just plain old more courageous and more willing to risk taking a hit.

Playoff Ds are much better at breaking down recipes than most opponents. Hence Ben has had much better playoff performance. Not surprising actually when I think about it.

[papillon]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

If you're going to compare Ben to quarterbacks based on stats he will come up ion the short end of the stick every time at this point in his career. If you watch Ben play you will quickly realize that in his own indomitable way he is as good as any quarterback playing in the NFL right now.

Every announcer, former player, coach and former coach underestimates Ben's knowledge of the game and his offense and that is why their defenses break down against him. They look at his sandlot style plays and believe that he has no clue about the offense or the defense he is playing against.

It's no accident that after looking away from the downfield action to avoid a sack that he is able to locate his players while under duress. He understands the offense and what they each will do when he comes under pressure or begins to scramble.

I hope defensive coordinators and players alike continue to believe that Ben is a football rube in his knowledge of the game and he'll keep carving them up to the tune of 68% completion with YPAs in the 8s and 9s. There has never been a quarterback as efficient and as strong as Ben ever. He will rewrite record books beofre he is done barring injury.

Keep assuming he doesn't study the game, film or his opponent and then wonder why he passed for 300 yards and only 30 attempts against your defense. He will never be the stat gatherer that Manning is, but he'll be gathering hardware like Bradshaw and in the end isn't that the goal?

Pappy

[birtikidis]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

This is the last thing I'm ever gonna say in comparison to Manning and Ben.
I love Ben, but I would love to see him adopt some of Manning's skills. such as: PM ability to read a defense pre snap and his ability to make adjustments at the line. PM doesn't get sacked because he knows what the defense is gonna do and makes the necassary protection change before the snap. Ben will get there with this aspect of his game. I think that Ben has only been making line protection calls for a season, so he'll get better at it. I can't stand that he doesn't identify the blitzer pre snap and call the hot read. it drives me nuts.
I'd love to see ben get us 12 wins for 7 consecutive years. and he has the talent to do it, IMO he just needs to refine some of his skills. but stop trying to say ben is better than manning. especially when manning hasn't missed a play off game since ben was still in college. I agree, he's been terrible when it counted his entire LIFE, but he's gotten them in the dance (playoffs) with an incredible amount of consistency.

NOW FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ:
I didn't identify PM's negatives BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A SH!T ABOUT HIM.

[papillon]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

This is the last thing I'm ever gonna say in comparison to Manning and Ben.
I love Ben, but I would love to see him adopt some of Manning's skills. such as: PM ability to read a defense pre snap and his ability to make adjustments at the line. PM doesn't get sacked because he knows what the defense is gonna do and makes the necassary protection change before the snap. Ben will get there with this aspect of his game. I think that Ben has only been making line protection calls for a season, so he'll get better at it. I can't stand that he doesn't identify the blitzer pre snap and call the hot read. it drives me nuts.
I'd love to see ben get us 12 wins for 7 consecutive years. and he has the talent to do it, IMO he just needs to refine some of his skills. but stop trying to say ben is better than manning. especially when manning hasn't missed a play off game since ben was still in college. I agree, he's been terrible when it counted his entire LIFE, but he's gotten them in the dance (playoffs) with an incredible amount of consistency.

NOW FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ:
I didn't identify PM's negatives BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A SH!T ABOUT HIM.

Ben will never be that quarterback. You will be waiting a long time for Ben to give up on a play or crawl up in the fetal position when pass protection breaks down. It isn't going to happen, Ben makes reads presnap, but he's also able to adjust those reads as the play unfolds. Had PM adjusted his presnap read on the INT he would have hit Austin Collie for a first on the drag route underneath right on the first down yard marker he was wide open. Sometime the presnap read is wrong and you have to adjust, Porter was sitting on that route right from the start and Manning didn't recognize it and threw the pick 6, it happens.

Pappy

[birtikidis]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

Pap don't put words in my mouth. I love the back yard style game. it's exciting. I can't see why he can't make a quick throw when the other team blitzes! seriously how many sacks does he have to take? to me it's common sesne, if you see a corner blitzing throw a quick slant. how difficult is that to understand?

[Iron Shiek]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

Pap don't put words in my mouth. I love the back yard style game. it's exciting. I can't see why he can't make a quick throw when the other team blitzes! seriously how many sacks does he have to take? to me it's common sesne, if you see a corner blitzing throw a quick slant. how difficult is that to understand?

Its not that easy. If the Corner Blitz is well disguised...how is ben supposed to change the WR's route after he's already snapped it and the blitz comes?!?!? This isn't Madden where he can run around and hit R2 and Circle and suddenly all his WRs come back to him.

[birtikidis]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

Pap don't put words in my mouth. I love the back yard style game. it's exciting. I can't see why he can't make a quick throw when the other team blitzes! seriously how many sacks does he have to take? to me it's common sesne, if you see a corner blitzing throw a quick slant. how difficult is that to understand?

Its not that easy. If the Corner Blitz is well disguised...how is ben supposed to change the WR's route after he's already snapped it and the blitz comes?!?!? This isn't Madden where he can run around and hit R2 and Circle and suddenly all his WRs come back to him.

i know it isn't madden! lol. did you watch the browns game? everyone knew on BOTH of those 3rd and 1 plays that there was a blitz coming. MAYBE ben expected the tackle to slide out and block him (which is asking alot of WC).

[papillon]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

Pap don't put words in my mouth. I love the back yard style game. it's exciting. I can't see why he can't make a quick throw when the other team blitzes! seriously how many sacks does he have to take? to me it's common sesne, if you see a corner blitzing throw a quick slant. how difficult is that to understand?

I'm not sure where you believe i put words in your mouth, if I did, it wasn't my intention. My position is that Ben makes presnap reads with the best of them, but, when the read is wrong he is willing to hang in the pocket or scramble out of it to make a play, Peyton Manning is not willing to do that.

For a perfect example of the presnap read and throw from Ben, see Heath Miller's catch down to the 5 or 6 yard line. He took a look, was immediately pressured up the middle and delivered a strike to Heath down to the 6. He can do it, he does it all the time, it's simply overshadowed by his sandlot style that creates big, big plays. A presnap read, drop back and delivery doesn't look as good on SprtsCenter.

Pappy

[birtikidis]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

Pap don't put words in my mouth. I love the back yard style game. it's exciting. I can't see why he can't make a quick throw when the other team blitzes! seriously how many sacks does he have to take? to me it's common sesne, if you see a corner blitzing throw a quick slant. how difficult is that to understand?

I'm not sure where you believe i put words in your mouth, if I did, it wasn't my intention. My position is that Ben makes presnap reads with the best of them, but, when the read is wrong he is willing to hang in the pocket or scramble out of it to make a play, Peyton Manning is not willing to do that.

For a perfect example of the presnap read and throw from Ben, see Heath Miller's catch down to the 5 or 6 yard line. He took a look, was immediately pressured up the middle and delivered a strike to Heath down to the 6. He can do it, he does it all the time, it's simply overshadowed by his sandlot style that creates big, big plays. A presnap read, drop back and delivery doesn't look as good on SprtsCenter.

Pappy

they show steeler highlights on sportscenter?

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

i think its pretty funny everyone points to that corner blitz ( not just this thread) where he tried alluding him and got sacked and say Ben never hits the hot route..

IIRC, it was 3rd and long and the the browns had a guy backing up the corner so it most likely would have been a short gain and 4th down anyway

how many times have we seen him avoid a free blitzer like that and make the big play. yeah, he got sacked on that play, somethimes defender get paid to do their job too. **** happens

[birtikidis]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

i think its pretty funny everyone points to that corner blitz ( not just this thread) where he tried alluding him and got sacked and say Ben never hits the hot route..

IIRC, it was 3rd and long and the the browns had a guy backing up the corner so it most likely would have been a short gain and 4th down anyway

how many times have we seen him avoid a free blitzer like that and make the big play. yeah, he got sacked on that play, somethimes defender get paid to do their job too. bad word happens

3&1

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=291210005"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playbypla ... =291210005[/url]

dont think that was it.

3rd and 1 sack they have C williams defensive end registering the sack

[birtikidis]

Re: Ben Getting Yahoo Love

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=291210005

dont think that was it.

3rd and 1 sack they have C williams defensive end registering the sack

3rd & 1 sack #23 hank poteat