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  • stlrz d
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 9244

    Count Harris among those who would

    take Ben over Manning.

    [url="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_666248.html"]http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 66248.html[/url]

    Harris: When it counts, Manning bows to Ben
    By John Harris, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Tuesday, February 9, 2010
    Last updated: 10:02 am

    All things being equal, give me No. 7.

    In the NFL's biggest game, on its grandest stage, I'll take Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger over Indianapolis Colts' wunderkind Peyton Manning to win a Super Bowl.

    The Colts' 31-17 loss to New Orleans in Super Bowl XLIV, in which Manning was statistically brilliant but flawed in the clutch, highlighted critical differences between two iconic players who are successful despite wildly contrasting styles.

    Manning has few peers in regards to family pedigree and gaudy statistics. His father, Archie, was a star quarterback with the Saints before the team's current quarterback, Drew Brees, was born. Younger brother Eli was the MVP of Super Bowl XLII with the New York Giants.

    Peyton is the only player in league history to win four MVPs. He has passed for 4,000 yards in a season a record 10 times.

    Roethlisberger's next league MVP will be his first. He topped the 4,000-yard milestone for the first time this season

    Roethlisberger didn't grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth. In fact, he didn't play quarterback until his senior year in high school. He attended Miami — Miami University, not the "U" in South Florida, which is famous for churning out NFL stars.

    Here's the catch. Manning, the so-called greatest quarterback in league history — as he was portrayed by fawning members of the national media leading up to Super Bowl XLIV — isn't even the best quarterback in Super Bowl history.

    Manning is 1-1 in Super Bowls. He was named MVP in the Colts' win over Chicago in Super Bowl XLI. He is among a large number of quarterbacks with one Super Bowl victory — Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler included. Winning one Super Bowl is big, but many quarterbacks — far less accomplished than Manning — have done that.

    Roethlisberger is 2-0 in Super Bowls. He's on a much shorter list of quarterbacks with at least two Super Bowl victories without a loss, a list that includes Terry Bradshaw (4-0), Joe Montana (4-0), Troy Aikman (3-0), Bart Starr (2-0) and Jim Plunkett (2-0) — and he's the only active quarterback to do so.

    Roethlisberger is also 0-2 in winning Super Bowl MVPs — but that's a credit to teammate Santonio Holmes, who was brilliant with nine receptions for 131 yards and the game-winning touchdown catch against Arizona in Super Bowl XLIII.

    Roethlisberger did as much to help the Steelers win Super Bowl XLIII as Manning did to help the Colts win Super Bowl XLI, but only Manning was named MVP.

    Manning, known for his pinpoint accuracy, never threw a better pass under pressure than the one Roethlisberger completed to Holmes in the closing minute of Super Bowl XLIII. Roethlisberger's innate ability to execute comfortably under duress is what makes him special in big games.

    To Roethlisberger, playing football is all in the backyard. It's a game he plays exceedingly well — sometimes, by his own rules.

    Roethlisberger throws on the run, throws off his back foot, throws across his body and throws into coverage. At times, he's a bulked-up version of Fran Tarkenton, scrambling to elude potential tacklers while buying time for his receivers to get open.

    Unlike Manning, Roethlisberger rarely gives up on a play.

    Manning, on the other hand, plays quarterback by the book, sometimes to his detriment.

    New Orleans cornerback Tracy Porter said knowing Manning's tendencies helped him on a 74-yard interception return for a touchdown in the fourth quarter.

    One of Roethlisberger's best qualities is his ability to shake off a mistake and focus on the next play. A bad throw in a big game doesn't diminish his aggressiveness.

    Roethlisberger, who's 8-2 in the postseason, saved his best for the last drive against Arizona in the Super Bowl. Before that drive, his performance had been average.

    Manning, whose career playoff record is only 9-9, failed once again to shake his nagging reputation for being a sensational regular-season quarterback who's mediocre at best in the postseason.

    If, on the other hand, you prefer a quarterback who excels during crunch time and wins big games, Roethlisberger's track record gives him the edge over Manning, who's been touted by some as the greatest passer ever.
  • SteelAbility
    Pro Bowler
    • Oct 2009
    • 2149

    #2
    Re: Count Harris among those who would

    Big Ben Baaaaaaaabbbyyyyy!! I'll take Ben any day. Knows how to keep his cool in the clutch. THAT wins championships!

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    • flippy
      Legend
      • Dec 2008
      • 17088

      #3
      Re: Count Harris among those who would

      The NFL didn't want us in the playoffs cause we woulda beat Indy and NO. And NO was given the SuperBowl for dealing with Katrina 5 yrs ago.

      Ben is the best.

      He's the much bigger version of Doug Flutie.
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      • RuthlessBurgher
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 33208

        #4
        Re: Count Harris among those who would

        Originally posted by flippy
        The NFL didn't want us in the playoffs cause we woulda beat Indy and NO. And NO was given the SuperBowl for dealing with Katrina 5 yrs ago.

        Ben is the best.

        He's the much bigger version of Doug Flutie.
        This is just stupid. If the conspiracy theory NFL you describe really wanted to "give" New Orleans a Super Bowl after Katrina, why wait 5 years? Granted, immediately after Katrina, the team was awful with a 3-13 since they were basically nomads all year, playing home games in San Antonio while the Superdome was being fixed. But after that year, they replaced Jim Haslett with Sean Payton and signed Drew Brees as a free agent. The Saints won the NFC South that year and advanced to the NFC Championship game. If the tin foil hat wearing NFL big wigs really wanted a feel good story for New Orleans, they would have made it so that Brees' Saints beat Rex Grossman's Bears in that NFC Championship game, where they could have beaten Louisiana native Peyton Manning's Colts in SBXLI instead of SBXLIV. But since NFL games aren't fixed, it didn't work out this way.

        This year's Saints deserved everything they earned...nothing was handed to them. No one conspired to keep the big bad Steelers out of the playoffs...they did that to themselves. Such a conspiracy theory is simply foolish, and insulting to the true champions, in my opinion.
        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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        • SteelAbility
          Pro Bowler
          • Oct 2009
          • 2149

          #5
          Re: Count Harris among those who would

          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
          Originally posted by flippy
          The NFL didn't want us in the playoffs cause we woulda beat Indy and NO. And NO was given the SuperBowl for dealing with Katrina 5 yrs ago.

          Ben is the best.

          He's the much bigger version of Doug Flutie.
          This is just stupid. If the conspiracy theory NFL you describe really wanted to "give" New Orleans a Super Bowl after Katrina, why wait 5 years? Granted, immediately after Katrina, the team was awful with a 3-13 since they were basically nomads all year, playing home games in San Antonio while the Superdome was being fixed. But after that year, they replaced Jim Haslett with Sean Payton and signed Drew Brees as a free agent. The Saints won the NFC South that year and advanced to the NFC Championship game. If the tin foil hat wearing NFL big wigs really wanted a feel good story for New Orleans, they would have made it so that Brees' Saints beat Rex Grossman's Bears in that NFC Championship game, where they could have beaten Louisiana native Peyton Manning's Colts in SBXLI instead of SBXLIV. But since NFL games aren't fixed, it didn't work out this way.

          This year's Saints deserved everything they earned...nothing was handed to them. No one conspired to keep the big bad Steelers out of the playoffs...they did that to themselves. Such a conspiracy theory is simply foolish, and insulting to the true champions, in my opinion.
          Oh, poo! I was totally getting into that theory until you came along. :P

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