Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

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"3-4 teams will love this guy. He's big, strong and can play all 3 DL positions in the 3-4."

If true, talk about getting young on the DL in a hurry.

Discuss....

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

In my mock. Just getting the feeling he will end up in the lower part of round 2 after combine. Did Mayock predict where he would go? I would love to read the report. Link or was it on NFL Network?

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

In my mock. Just getting the feeling he will end up in the lower part of round 2 after combine. Did Mayock predict where he would go? I would love to read the report. Link or was it on NFL Network?

It was on NFLN. He didn't say what round he predicted. Just said he really helped himself at the Senior Bowl practices.

I'm actually kind of proud of myself for picking up on this dude. I don't follow college football that closely at all, but I watched the Senior Bowl and noticed this guy right away. I watched him and I could see that he's a big, strong man with some mobility who is also stout at the point of attack.

I had never heard his name before that day.

The only prediction I heard Mayock make - beyond Suh - was that Cody would go in the 2nd round. Mid second round.

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

With Buffalo switching to the 3-4, that gives us at least 13 teams (Pitt, Balt, Clev, NE, NYJ, MIA, BUFF, DEN, KC, SD, GB, SF, and Ariz) that employ the 3-4 at least part of the time.

That is up from about 8 or so just a few years ago. Most of these teams need upgrades along the line. 3-4 linemen (especially NTs) will be overdrafted throughout this draft.

Cam Thomas is really a late 3rd round talent. He was not productive in N Carolina and did not command the double team (Marvin Austin did). Still, he is athletic, strong, and huge. He turned it on at the Senior Bowl and made himself a few million dollars. It is likely though, that he'll revert to his less than stellar play again at some point.

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

With Buffalo switching to the 3-4, that gives us at least 13 teams (Pitt, Balt, Clev, NE, NYJ, MIA, BUFF, DEN, KC, SD, GB, SF, and Ariz) that employ the 3-4 at least part of the time.

That is up from about 8 or so just a few years ago. Most of these teams need upgrades along the line. 3-4 linemen (especially NTs) will be overdrafted throughout this draft.

Cam Thomas is really a late 3rd round talent. He was not productive in N Carolina and did not command the double team (Marvin Austin did). Still, he is athletic, strong, and huge. He turned it on at the Senior Bowl and made himself a few million dollars. It is likely though, that he'll revert to his less than stellar play again at some point.

You don't think NFL coaching and conditioning, along with being surrounded by good talent, can change a guy?

He looked pretty good to me when he was playing alongside good talent at the Senior Bowl. He'd have Smitty on one side and the Diesel on the other...with Farrior and Timmons behind him...not to mention two studs on the outside.

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

With Buffalo switching to the 3-4, that gives us at least 13 teams (Pitt, Balt, Clev, NE, NYJ, MIA, BUFF, DEN, KC, SD, GB, SF, and Ariz) that employ the 3-4 at least part of the time.

That is up from about 8 or so just a few years ago. Most of these teams need upgrades along the line. 3-4 linemen (especially NTs) will be overdrafted throughout this draft.

Cam Thomas is really a late 3rd round talent. He was not productive in N Carolina and did not command the double team (Marvin Austin did). Still, he is athletic, strong, and huge. He turned it on at the Senior Bowl and made himself a few million dollars. It is likely though, that he'll revert to his less than stellar play again at some point.

There are many reasons why players start showing up during this process. Not showing up during his college play did cost him money and a higher pick. But he is showing up at the right time.

After the combine and workouts the measurables will be there. There will be questions and flags hence a 3rd round pick. His most crucial part of this whole process will be his interviews. He needs to say the right things. Teams look for a kid to say "I took plays off" or "I had alot going on" owning up to why his play wasn't there. It hurt his stock but the kid needs to show that maturity and show he is ready to compete when it is now his career. This finish project could be great and it could be bad. That is the risk you take with anyone though. But he has the size, athleticism, strength, and showed ability against top competition when it counted. I will give you a name from the same school that walked this same line and turned out pretty darn good. Willie Parker. "Willie who?" at Carolina...But he showed up in the NFL. Many stories like this one all over the league every year. Thomas just took advantage of the opportunity given to him at the Senior Bowl...And might be able to begin a promising career because of it.

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

Everyone noticed Cam Thomas because they talked about the "quietly good game" he had at the Senior Bowl. I only watched 1 quarter and happened to hear his name...but so did all the other scouts for 3-4 teams.

I'm a little worried about how little he did during the season. If he is around late take him but any guy who can't stand out on North Carolina is a problem.

Is he lazy? Did the younger players contain him? How much of a project is he?

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

Other NT candidates to listen for about information. Please post if you know anything or have good info.

1. Torrell Troup, 6'3" 315lbs, Central Florida (probably 3rd or 4th round pick)
2. Demarcus Granger, 6'2" 325lbs, Oklahoma
3. Jay Ross, 6'3", 315lbs, East Carolina
4. Martin Tevaseau, 6'3" 340lbs, UNLV (probably late round pick or UDFA). Note: He is the second cousin of our own Frank "The Tank" Summers. Maybe if he slips through to UDFA that gives us an advantage.

As far as Troup, very good player, strong and athletic, moves very well. Can take on double teams plus can penetrate. Probably more like Chris Hoke than Casey Hampton in style.

Anybody know anything about UNLV's Tevaseau????

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

2010 Prospective Nose Tackle Draft Class
(CBS Sports)



The NT prospects:

Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee, 6'2" 327**: This is my guy, right here. He has the size to be an NT, has a great nose for the ball (leading the team with 9 tackles, 2 for a loss, in a loss to Ole Miss), and has been dubbed by teammates and opponents both as "unblockable". With that said, he would be a prime candidate for a two-gap NT assignment in a 3-4. Really high on this guy if we go NT in round 1, although if we go BPA, then depending upon where we actually sit in the draft will probably dictate whether or not we take a stab at him. Preliminary projections have him going in round 1 or 2 but I'm guessing mid to late round 1 or early round 2, at least at this point with the current information available. Still, he'd be tough to pass on and could really be a monster in the middle.

Brian Price, DT, UCLA, 6'2" 300**: This guy is an animal and could possibly move up ahead of Dan Williams on some prospecting/draft charts. While he is potentially more of a 4-3 DT he still has the size and strength with room to add some additional bulk to become a very solid NT prospect. Price was the PAC-10 Defensive Player of the Year and his 23 1/2 tackles for a loss ranked third nationally. He also recorded seven sacks, and while the primary assignment of an NT is not designed to tally big sack numbers this statistic coupled with his TFL statistics show that he is explosive off the snap and effective at getting into the backfield. This is the kind of play that could be very disruptive to an opposing offense as an NT as he will more than likely command a lot of double teams in a 3-4 two-gapper assignment.

Terrance Cody, DT, Alabama, 6'4" 365: I know that Bites isn't real high on the guy due to questions surrounding his physical conditioning, but you also have to take into consideration that Casey Hampton has often come to camp overweight and/or out of shape and is primarily a 2 down NT as well. While obviously that's not a good thing, I wouldn't completely rule Cody out. Alot is going to come down to his motivation and work ethic to see if he's capable of getting in better shape and maintaining it, because he is definitely a mammoth that could wreak all kinds of havoc at NT.

Lamarr Houston, DT, Texas, 6'3" 302???: This kid's stock is on the rise, but he's a questionmark for a lot of reasons - first and foremost, some sites are listing his weight as 279 and his position as DE while others have him listed as 300-302 and DT. CBS, claiming to borrow his numbers from NFLDraftScout.com has him listed at 279 and as a DE prospect...but meanwhile NFLDraftScout.com has him listed at 6'3" 302. They also said that he could be the next Casey Hampton for some team using a 4-3 defense, when meanwhile we all know that Casey Hampton is an NT in a 3-4. The other questionmark is a potential character blemish in that he was arrested in 2008 for a DWI that resulted in a two-car accident (no injuries) and was suspended for one game. He was a Shrine Bowl invite as well and his performance in that game has his stock on the rise. He recorded 57 total tackles and 7 sacks, but once again the numbers aren't clear for his TFL stats. He's currently projected as a 2nd-3rd pick but with so much conflicting information I really don't know what to make of him. Nevertheless, he's on the list for now...at least until these various sites update or correct their info.

Cam Thomas, DT, North Carolina, 6'4" 331**: A Senior Bowl invite whose stock is on the rise after some impressive practices showing great strength at the point of attack. He's jumped from being a projected round 6-7 pick all the way up to a projected round 3 pick. Had a great junior year but fell off a little bit in production his senior season. I'll add more information about Cam Thomas as it becomes available. Currently there isn't a whole lot other than his basic total tackles etc. He did not record a sack his senior season, the first season in his collegiate career where he failed to do so, but he is big, strong, and relatively agile. Alot of scouts are buzzing about him as a pure NT and this makes him a fairly high commodity for us.

Torrell Troup, DT, UCF, 6'3" 314**: Really high on this kid as well. 27 tackles, 5 tackles for a loss, and 2 sacks. Will be playing in the East-West Shrine Game and was the key cog to UCF's defense, frequently commanding two blockers - which is what an NT is there for. Sounds like a good kid as well with a strong work ethic as he came to UCF weighing 345 and trimmed down to a lean and mean 314. This kid would be a steal in the middle rounds.

Jay Ross, DT, East Carolina, 6'3" 314: 35 tackles, three for a loss, 1.5 sacks and a 49 yard fumble return for a touchdown. Can any of you picture Hampton returning a fumble 49 yards to the house? Me neither. He'd go into cardiac arrest after 20 yards. Point being, the kid has a motor and good physical conditioning. It would be nice to have an NT that was more than a 2-down NT.

Ekom Udofia, DT, Stanford, 6'2" 315: Another NT prospect. Udofia struggled a bit this season with an ankle injury and is a bit injury prone. He's a big boy though and was part of the Freshman All America Team in 2006.

Kade Weston, DT, Georgia, 6'5" 322: 25 tackles, 6 tackles for a loss, and 2 sacks in 11 games this year as a true Nose Tackle. Those are impressive numbers and the guy is a giant at 6'5". He was also a Freshman All American in 2006.

Boo Robinson, DT, Wake Forest, 6'1" 295: Credit for this one goes to Bites, although I was correct as well in my initial speculation about the guy: he DID lose weight and had a fairly unproductive season this year as a result, but he is one of a select few DTs that can also make the conversion to a pure NT since he has great overall size with plenty of room to bulk up physically. He has good athleticism, is strong, agile, and very smart. Interesting prospect here. He would be a bit of a physical project, but I can see why you guys were high on him about 4 months ago because he was on the preseason Rotary Lombardi Watch List as well as the preseason Bronco Nagurski Watch List.

Martin Tevaseu, NT, UNLV, 6'1" 329: Tevaseau was a late addition to the East-West Shrine Bowl but garnered some praise from Marty Schottenheimer for his strong work ethic in practices. Tevaseau is actually a pure NT out of UNLV and was their team DPOY as well as one of its captains. He had 28 total tackles, 1.5 TFL, and 1 sack on the season. He is currently listed as a round 7-FA prospect.

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

Brian Price, DT, UCLA, 6'2" 300**: This guy is an animal and could possibly move up ahead of Dan Williams on some prospecting/draft charts. While he is potentially more of a 4-3 DT he still has the size and strength with room to add some additional bulk to become a very solid NT prospect. Price was the PAC-10 Defensive Player of the Year and his 23 1/2 tackles for a loss ranked third nationally. He also recorded seven sacks, and while the primary assignment of an NT is not designed to tally big sack numbers this statistic coupled with his TFL statistics show that he is explosive off the snap and effective at getting into the backfield. This is the kind of play that could be very disruptive to an opposing offense as an NT as he will more than likely command a lot of double teams in a 3-4 two-gapper assignment.

Love this guy for the Bengals. Hoping he's still around when we pick. I don't see him as a 3-4 NT or DE though. Like Glenn Dorsey, I don't think he's a good fit for a 3-4 team. Terrific talent though...

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

Brian Price, DT, UCLA, 6'2" 300**: This guy is an animal and could possibly move up ahead of Dan Williams on some prospecting/draft charts. While he is potentially more of a 4-3 DT he still has the size and strength with room to add some additional bulk to become a very solid NT prospect. Price was the PAC-10 Defensive Player of the Year and his 23 1/2 tackles for a loss ranked third nationally. He also recorded seven sacks, and while the primary assignment of an NT is not designed to tally big sack numbers this statistic coupled with his TFL statistics show that he is explosive off the snap and effective at getting into the backfield. This is the kind of play that could be very disruptive to an opposing offense as an NT as he will more than likely command a lot of double teams in a 3-4 two-gapper assignment.

Love this guy for the Bengals. Hoping he's still around when we pick. I don't see him as a 3-4 NT or DE though. Like Glenn Dorsey, I don't think he's a good fit for a 3-4 team. Terrific talent though...

Brian Price is a stud but I think he would be a much better fit for a 4-3 team.

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

Brian Price, DT, UCLA, 6'2" 300**: This guy is an animal and could possibly move up ahead of Dan Williams on some prospecting/draft charts. While he is potentially more of a 4-3 DT he still has the size and strength with room to add some additional bulk to become a very solid NT prospect. Price was the PAC-10 Defensive Player of the Year and his 23 1/2 tackles for a loss ranked third nationally. He also recorded seven sacks, and while the primary assignment of an NT is not designed to tally big sack numbers this statistic coupled with his TFL statistics show that he is explosive off the snap and effective at getting into the backfield. This is the kind of play that could be very disruptive to an opposing offense as an NT as he will more than likely command a lot of double teams in a 3-4 two-gapper assignment.

Love this guy for the Bengals. Hoping he's still around when we pick. I don't see him as a 3-4 NT or DE though. Like Glenn Dorsey, I don't think he's a good fit for a 3-4 team. Terrific talent though...

I think he goes to the Giants or Titans at 15 or 16.

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

Brian Price, DT, UCLA, 6'2" 300**: This guy is an animal and could possibly move up ahead of Dan Williams on some prospecting/draft charts. While he is potentially more of a 4-3 DT he still has the size and strength with room to add some additional bulk to become a very solid NT prospect. Price was the PAC-10 Defensive Player of the Year and his 23 1/2 tackles for a loss ranked third nationally. He also recorded seven sacks, and while the primary assignment of an NT is not designed to tally big sack numbers this statistic coupled with his TFL statistics show that he is explosive off the snap and effective at getting into the backfield. This is the kind of play that could be very disruptive to an opposing offense as an NT as he will more than likely command a lot of double teams in a 3-4 two-gapper assignment.

Love this guy for the Bengals. Hoping he's still around when we pick. I don't see him as a 3-4 NT or DE though. Like Glenn Dorsey, I don't think he's a good fit for a 3-4 team. Terrific talent though...

I think he goes to the Giants or Titans at 15 or 16.

That's what I'm thinking as well. Would have been great to see him paired up with Peko...

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Re: Mike Mayock re: Cam Thomas

NYG most likely will look for someone in the back 7 .

they like their DL rotation