It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

[Captain Lemming]

"It is in the face of the most adversity that he is the most calm, that he is at his best."

That is what Tomlin said about Ben during the "America's Game" about last years Super Bowl. We all know this to be true.

Can even the most rabid Peyton defender EVER say that about him? Be honest.

It is THAT quality, above almost ANYTHING that I want in a QB. Montana, Brady Michael Jordan, Tiger, the ALL are like that. Bradshaw said he got nervous but he didnt play like it and raised his game when it counted.

Nobody questions Peytons knowledge or skill. I have no doubt he is without peer in those respects.

I always see Peyton as the guy who is scared that he is gonna lose, not the guy who is excited to have the chance to "win it" in the clutch.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

How about this:

It is in the face of adversity ... that P.Manning shows that he is nothing more than the Alex Rodriguez of Football - Mr. Regular Season.

Or this: Very little separates the Colts from the Buffalo Bills - oh so close so many times, but can they close the deal? That's a different story.

Remember, the upstart 2005 Steelers cut them down. All Hail Saint D*ick!

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

And it probably irks him to all hell after all his studying and robotic precision that he is still behind a guy like Roethlisberger, who looks like he is just winging it out there and playing by the seat of his pants.

Peyton fears failure and tightens up in pressure situations.

Ben thrives under pressure...it drives him to be great.

Crucial situations in big games are nerve-wracking for Peyton...they are fun for Ben.

One curls up in the fetal position when a blitzer gets within 5 feet of him.

The other absorbs hits from d-linemen and rolls off them while still looking downfield.

Ben will never be the regular-season stat monger that Peyton is.

Peyton will never be the clutch QB that Ben is.

[fordfixer]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

And it probably irks him to all hell after all his studying and robotic precision that he is still behind a guy like Roethlisberger, who looks like he is just winging it out there and playing by the seat of his pants.

Peyton fears failure and tightens up in pressure situations.

Ben thrives under pressure...it drives him to be great.

Crucial situations in big games are nerve-wracking for Peyton...they are fun for Ben.

One curls up in the fetal position when a blitzer gets within 5 feet of him.

The other absorbs hits from d-linemen and rolls off them while still looking downfield.

Ben will never be the regular-season stat monger that Peyton is.

Peyton will never be the clutch QB that Ben is.

Well said

[Shawn]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

I truly believe Peyton spends so much time in the film room not just because he is a hard worker but because he is an anxious individual. I don't know how many times I seen very bright students "anxious study". They knew the stuff...knew they knew the stuff but continued to study to dull those thoughts of anxiety...thoughts of possible failure.

Manning has all the passing tools you could want in a QB but I truly believe he has a hard time holding it together when it matters. You either have it or you don't.

[Djfan]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

It seems obvious to me that you can get into his head. Look at his game: mistakes and bad passes come when someone is in his face. He just hears footsteps.

Ask Peezy!

[AngryAsian]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

And it probably irks him to all hell after all his studying and robotic precision that he is still behind a guy like Roethlisberger, who looks like he is just winging it out there and playing by the seat of his pants.

Peyton fears failure and tightens up in pressure situations.

Ben thrives under pressure...it drives him to be great.

Crucial situations in big games are nerve-wracking for Peyton...they are fun for Ben.

One curls up in the fetal position when a blitzer gets within 5 feet of him.

The other absorbs hits from d-linemen and rolls off them while still looking downfield.

Ben will never be the regular-season stat monger that Peyton is.

Peyton will never be the clutch QB that Ben is.

Ruthless, very very true on all aspects, but during the regular season when your team desperately needs a win and you QB is out there playing "sand lot football" and getting mauled a good percentage of the time.... it is extremely frustrating. I'm sure a good portion of the posters on here have spent a great amount of time in front of their respective flatscreens and have been screaming "GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL!!!!"

[feltdizz]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

And it probably irks him to all hell after all his studying and robotic precision that he is still behind a guy like Roethlisberger, who looks like he is just winging it out there and playing by the seat of his pants.

Peyton fears failure and tightens up in pressure situations.

Ben thrives under pressure...it drives him to be great.

Crucial situations in big games are nerve-wracking for Peyton...they are fun for Ben.

One curls up in the fetal position when a blitzer gets within 5 feet of him.

The other absorbs hits from d-linemen and rolls off them while still looking downfield.

Ben will never be the regular-season stat monger that Peyton is.

Peyton will never be the clutch QB that Ben is.

Ruthless, very very true on all aspects, but during the regular season when your team desperately needs a win and you QB is out there playing "sand lot football" and getting mauled a good percentage of the time.... it is extremely frustrating. I'm sure a good portion of the posters on here have spent a great amount of time in front of their respective flatscreens and have been screaming "GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL!!!!"

As frustrating as it is... it can't be as frustrating as Peyton fans who watch a HOF QB crumble year after year once the playoffs start.

This postseason was the first time Peyton looked decent (and Garcon and a flag helped him in the Ravens game).

I think it says a lot about Big Ben when most Steeler fans expect Ben to win when we are trailing in the 4th qtr.

[Slapstick]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

To be fair, Peyton has just as many rings as Farve does...and more than Marino...

All are HoF QBs....

Yes, Manning did choke on Sunday, but you still can't take his ring away from him...

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

To be fair, Peyton has just as many rings as Farve does...and more than Marino...

All are HoF QBs....

Yes, Manning did choke on Sunday, but you still can't take his ring away from him...

And Favre makes choking in the playoffs a yearly event as well (13-11 career playoff record....still better than 9-9 though).

The Colts are going to petition the league to make sure that Rex Grossman is the opposing QB in all future Super Bowls against Peyton.

[SteelAbility]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

Let's see if Polian starts a campaign for altering the rules a bit in the playoffs to favor Manning. He's already had rule alterations to help him out.

[papillon]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

And it probably irks him to all hell after all his studying and robotic precision that he is still behind a guy like Roethlisberger, who looks like he is just winging it out there and playing by the seat of his pants.

Peyton fears failure and tightens up in pressure situations.

Ben thrives under pressure...it drives him to be great.

Crucial situations in big games are nerve-wracking for Peyton...they are fun for Ben.

One curls up in the fetal position when a blitzer gets within 5 feet of him.

The other absorbs hits from d-linemen and rolls off them while still looking downfield.

Ben will never be the regular-season stat monger that Peyton is.

Peyton will never be the clutch QB that Ben is.

Ruthless, very very true on all aspects, but during the regular season when your team desperately needs a win and you QB is out there playing "sand lot football" and getting mauled a good percentage of the time.... it is extremely frustrating. I'm sure a good portion of the posters on here have spent a great amount of time in front of their respective flatscreens and have been screaming "GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL!!!!"

I used to yell at the TV screen "Get rid of the DAMN ball!!!!" until the last two years when I've accepted the way Ben plays the position. It is so much more enjoyable now that I realize he isn't going to ever, ever give up on a play. And, because of this he's going to take what appear to be unnecessary sacks and even throw what look like stupid interceptions. I have learned to accept and even enjoy it a bit, because, it is exciting to see how he'll bail himself out from a 2nd and 17, 2nd and 14, 3rd and 13 or 3rd and 20 for which he is responsible. It may not be the next play, or even in the following series, but at some point in the game, Ben prevails more often than not and it's exciting as hell.

Embrace it, respect it, let others ridicule it, but at the end of his career Ben will have more than 2 Super Bowl victories with his unorthodox style. You can't defend it by studying film, because, it's different from game to game, you can't defend it by doubling Holmes, he'll throw it to Wallace or Sweed or Grisham or McDonald or Washington well, you get the idea, you can't coach it, because no one has ever done it like this before and you hate it as a defensive player, because, unless, you get him on the ground he'll make something happen. It's beautiful.

The sooner accept you it the more enjoyable it becomes watching Steeler football. Even in a down year like this past year Ben put the team in position to win when it seemed unfathomable to even be in that position. Of course, they didn't win often enough to make the playoffs, but, because of Ben they had a chance. It was exciting, frustrating, maddening and beautiful all in one season.

Pappy

[fordfixer]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

And it probably irks him to all hell after all his studying and robotic precision that he is still behind a guy like Roethlisberger, who looks like he is just winging it out there and playing by the seat of his pants.

Peyton fears failure and tightens up in pressure situations.

Ben thrives under pressure...it drives him to be great.

Crucial situations in big games are nerve-wracking for Peyton...they are fun for Ben.

One curls up in the fetal position when a blitzer gets within 5 feet of him.

The other absorbs hits from d-linemen and rolls off them while still looking downfield.

Ben will never be the regular-season stat monger that Peyton is.

Peyton will never be the clutch QB that Ben is.

Ruthless, very very true on all aspects, but during the regular season when your team desperately needs a win and you QB is out there playing "sand lot football" and getting mauled a good percentage of the time.... it is extremely frustrating. I'm sure a good portion of the posters on here have spent a great amount of time in front of their respective flatscreens and have been screaming "GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL!!!!"

Guilty

[Ozey74]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

Had Manning been playing against a QB besides Rex Grossman, he wouldn't have his one ring. Rex Grossman has to be the worst starting QB to represent a team in the Super Bowl.

[Flasteel]

Re: It is in the face of the most adversity that he is........

And it probably irks him to all hell after all his studying and robotic precision that he is still behind a guy like Roethlisberger, who looks like he is just winging it out there and playing by the seat of his pants.

Peyton fears failure and tightens up in pressure situations.

Ben thrives under pressure...it drives him to be great.

Crucial situations in big games are nerve-wracking for Peyton...they are fun for Ben.

One curls up in the fetal position when a blitzer gets within 5 feet of him.

The other absorbs hits from d-linemen and rolls off them while still looking downfield.

Ben will never be the regular-season stat monger that Peyton is.

Peyton will never be the clutch QB that Ben is.

Ruthless, very very true on all aspects, but during the regular season when your team desperately needs a win and you QB is out there playing "sand lot football" and getting mauled a good percentage of the time.... it is extremely frustrating. I'm sure a good portion of the posters on here have spent a great amount of time in front of their respective flatscreens and have been screaming "GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL!!!!"

I used to yell at the TV screen "Get rid of the DAMN ball!!!!" until the last two years when I've accepted the way Ben plays the position. It is so much more enjoyable now that I realize he isn't going to ever, ever give up on a play. And, because of this he's going to take what appear to be unnecessary sacks and even throw what look like stupid interceptions. I have learned to accept and even enjoy it a bit, because, it is exciting to see how he'll bail himself out from a 2nd and 17, 2nd and 14, 3rd and 13 or 3rd and 20 for which he is responsible. It may not be the next play, or even in the following series, but at some point in the game, Ben prevails more often than not and it's exciting as hell.

Embrace it, respect it, let others ridicule it, but at the end of his career Ben will have more than 2 Super Bowl victories with his unorthodox style. You can't defend it by studying film, because, it's different from game to game, you can't defend it by doubling Holmes, he'll throw it to Wallace or Sweed or Grisham or McDonald or Washington well, you get the idea, you can't coach it, because no one has ever done it like this before and you hate it as a defensive player, because, unless, you get him on the ground he'll make something happen. It's beautiful.

The sooner accept you it the more enjoyable it becomes watching Steeler football. Even in a down year like this past year Ben put the team in position to win when it seemed unfathomable to even be in that position. Of course, they didn't win often enough to make the playoffs, but, because of Ben they had a chance. It was exciting, frustrating, maddening and beautiful all in one season.

Pappy

I can't say that I do or ever will be happy about any facet of a 3rd and 20 (unless of course it was just 2nd and 30). A negative play will always bother me, no matter who put us there or how it happened.

Most of those times I yell at the TV.

On more than a few of those occasions, I'm yelling at Ben to get rid of the ball or for some other bone-headed play he is prone to making every now and then. I yell in anger like I cheer in joy. It's all a part of what makes me love this game...it's passion.

However, I do agree with you Pap about accepting Ben for what he is. It doesn't mean that you can't be thrilled if his further development includes checking down and getting rid of the ball faster. It means that you understand he possesses a unique gift and skill set which allows him to deliver in the clutch.

You can yell at him through the TV and even use his name in vain from time to time. But you always come back to the understanding that as a fan, you are profoundly grateful he wears the Black-n-Gold.