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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 35648

    #46
    Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

    Franchise tag not popular with NFL players
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    By Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Sunday, January 31, 2010


    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The average fan may not be able to relate to an NFL player speaking out against something that would guarantee him more than $6 million for one season.

    But Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers understands why Casey Hampton is so opposed to the idea of the Steelers using a franchise tag on the veteran nose tackle before the start of the free-agent signing period.

    "It's a large sum of money," said Peppers, who made almost $9 million last season as the Panthers' franchise player. "But if you're looking for a long-term deal and then you're restricted, you're not able to secure your future. So that's why most guys are against it."

    Hampton, who is an unrestricted free agent, made it clear that he is against the Steelers tagging him even if they do so with the intention of buying more negotiating time with the ninth-year veteran.

    "It's going to be a problem if I get franchised," Hampton told The Tribune-Review Friday.

    The Steelers have said they want Hampton back in 2010, and they have not committed to using the franchise tag on him.

    With the free agency period starting March 5, time is of the essence if the two sides are to agree on a multi-year contract.

    With that key date approaching, the franchise tag has become a topic of discussion at the Pro Bowl, which will be played today.

    New England nose tackle Vince Wilfork has taken a stance similar to Hampton, saying he will be insulted if the Patriots use a franchise tag on him.

    Peppers said there are multiple reasons why players don't like the franchise tag, even though it guarantees that they will be among the highest-paid players at their position for the upcoming season.

    Perhaps the biggest drawback to the franchise tag is that it delays premier players from hitting the open market for a year. That is no small consideration in a sport as violent as football and for a player such as Hampton, who turns 33 in September.

    "You might get injured, production might fall off, you don't know," Peppers said. "If you're able to go out and get that (long-term) deal, of course that's what you want."

    But long-term contracts in the NFL don't offer players the same level of security that they do in Major League Baseball and the NBA since only part of the NFL money is guaranteed.

    Of course, long-term contracts are still safer for players than the one-year deals that come with the franchise designation.

    The Steelers, as an example, will have to offer Hampton a one-year contract in excess of $6 million if they use a franchise tag on him.

    Ken Zuckerman, an agent for Priority Sports & Entertainment, said a player of Hampton's caliber might command a five-year deal worth as much as $40 million on the open market.

    Roughly half of that, Zuckerman said, would be guaranteed.

    Simple arithmetic, he added, shows why a player such as Hampton frowns upon the idea of getting tagged — even though that might make the most sense for the Steelers from a business standpoint.

    "You want to guarantee yourself $20 million instead of $6 million," Zuckerman said. "A player doesn't want to play on a one-year (contract) in this game. It's such a dangerous, volatile game."

    That reality may be why outside James Harrison said he would have "definitely" been upset had the Steelers let him finish the four-year contract he signed in 2006 and then used a franchise tag on him.

    It never reached that point as the Steelers signed Harrison last April to a six-year deal that made him the highest-paid defensive player in franchise history.

    Harrison, who will play in his third consecutive Pro Bowl tonight, was one of a handful of key veterans that the Steelers locked up before they went into the final year of their contract.

    Hampton, a five-time Pro Bowler, didn't get a new deal, and he has framed his contract issue as one of fairness.

    He said he merely wants the Steelers to reciprocate on the commitment he has shown to them — or let him test the open market without restrictions.

    "I think franchising me is not fair," Hampton said. "They say we're going to get (a deal) done, so we'll see."

    A CLOSER LOOK

    The franchise tag has been a part of the NFL since 1993. Teams are allowed to use one franchise tag a year on one of their own free agents. Here are the two franchise tags available to teams and how they are different.

    Exclusive: Players are offered a one-year contact that is the average of the five highest salaries at that position the previous season. Unrestricted free agents that get the "exclusive" tag are not permitted to negotiate with other teams.

    Non-exclusive: The contract is the same as with the exclusive tag, but other teams are allowed to negotiate with "non-exclusive" franchise players. Any offers made to these players can be matched, and if that player's team declines to match an offer, it gets two first-round picks in return.

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    • Mel Blount's G
      Pro Bowler
      • May 2008
      • 1056

      #47
      Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

      Originally posted by NorthCoast
      Originally posted by Shawn
      Originally posted by feltdizz
      Originally posted by jhansle1
      I love how these athletes complain about owners "not making things right" and needing the money to "take care / feed my family".

      Please.. these athletes have some balls to make comments like that. A lot of people would like to have a job, let along make 6mil/year when they're already very wealthy.
      That makes no sense... You said it best though.. a lot of people would love an NFL job but can't do it. Why should Casey be happy with being under valued? His job is dangerous and every play could be his last.

      It's not like Casey can be a NT for 45 years and retire. When you subtract agent, taxes, lawyers 6 mill becomes 2.5 mill. Still a nice chunk of change but it has to last the rest of his life.

      Now the next response is the "if he can't live off of.." or "If I had that kind of money"
      but step back and be honest... half of America will max a credit card out in the blink of an eye...

      When you make more you spend more.. and if you don't the tax man will find a way to get it.
      Agreed...lets not "playa hate" I dislike the notion that people should settle for less because they have more. He is worth a nice 3 year contract. He has played at a very high level. He is worth a certain amount on the open market. Why should he have to settle for less? Of course he should be upset. This is his last big payday. I can see his view "pay me what I'm worth or let me go". I have no issue with that.

      From the Steelers side of things...they have already paid this man millions. They have certain rights to his football career. Why should they not use them? As much as they want to call this family and such...it's a business. And if I'm the Steelers and he won't sign reasonably...then I franchise him. He won't take the year off that I assure you. That would be career suicide. The only thing you risk at that point is him becoming a cancer and a distraction in the locker room.
      Here's what the front office needs to consider; are you going to pay Hampton for what he has done, or what he will do? Every notion I have is that Hampton is good for maybe two years and then the play will fall off dramatically. His weight and age will work against him and he has not shown a lot of discipline to change.
      The lowest risk option for the Steelers is to tag him. If they can agree to a long term deal, then make it front loaded so when the uncapped year expires we won't take a big hit.
      When I read between the lines of Casey's interview, I think that is exactly what he expects: To be paid for what he has done, what he feel he deserves based on what he has done.

      Because of the threatening tone of what he has stated here, I'm kinda of hoping he does get tagged just to see what he'll do.
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      • feltdizz
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        • May 2008
        • 27532

        #48
        Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"



        Every player who is up for a new contract is paid for what they have done... and they are expected to keep doing it.

        it's pretty simple IMO... Do you want a pro bowler who has 2 or 3 years left or do you want an unknown NT?

        If our D played like 2008 I probably let Casey go and cross my fingers in the draft...

        Looking at our D last year though they had holes in the secondary.. do I want another question mark up front and/or a rotten egg in the locker room?

        I try to get him for 4 years and back load it and bring in a young guy to learn. I cut Hampton in his 3rd year or ask for him to restructure if his play falls off.
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        • NJ-STEELER
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 12563

          #49
          Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
          Originally posted by feltdizz
          Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
          maybe its just me, but i have a hard time sympathizing with the players who dont want to be franchised.


          maybe if they didn't "win the lottery" everytime they sign a contract, i would feel for them


          What should NFL players do?

          NFL players should go to their union and discuss changing the current CBA, by using the franchise tag the owners are merely abiding by the rules that were collectively negotiated between owners and players.
          thank you


          their union reps voted the tag as part of the CBA. dont like it...take away the free agency after 4 year rule

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          • Dee Dub
            Hall of Famer
            • Jan 2010
            • 4652

            #50
            Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

            Originally posted by Mel Blount's G
            Typical. Should have seen this coming. When I hear players say "I want to stay in {insert name of their team}. I love it here. I wanna finish my career here" it really means "I'll be signing with another team if/when they don't offer me a multi-year contract worth top dollar"
            Agreed 100%!!!

            Originally posted by Mel Blount's G
            I hope this situation doesn't get too ugly.
            Who cares?? I think at this point in Casey Hampton's career.....he is replaceable.
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            • Shawn
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              • Mar 2008
              • 15131

              #51
              Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

              [quote=Dee Dub]
              Originally posted by "Mel Blount's G":3lk03mda
              Typical. Should have seen this coming. When I hear players say "I want to stay in {insert name of their team}. I love it here. I wanna finish my career here" it really means "I'll be signing with another team if/when they don't offer me a multi-year contract worth top dollar"
              Agreed 100%!!!

              Originally posted by Mel Blount's G
              I hope this situation doesn't get too ugly.
              Who cares?? I think at this point in Casey Hampton's career.....he is replaceable.[/quote:3lk03mda]

              Not with anyone we currently have on the roster. I like Hoke but he isn't Hampton. His game is more penetration, lateral movement, motor. He is a solid player but he won't command double teams which by your own words is crucial for the 3-4. He is only replaceable day one with a guy like Cody. Cody can step in day 1 and take on 2 OLmen.
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              • Oviedo
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                • May 2008
                • 23824

                #52
                Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

                [quote=Shawn][quote=Dee Dub]
                Originally posted by "Mel Blount's G":2yz1t9ja
                Typical. Should have seen this coming. When I hear players say "I want to stay in {insert name of their team}. I love it here. I wanna finish my career here" it really means "I'll be signing with another team if/when they don't offer me a multi-year contract worth top dollar"
                Agreed 100%!!!

                Originally posted by "Mel Blount's G":2yz1t9ja
                I hope this situation doesn't get too ugly.
                Who cares?? I think at this point in Casey Hampton's career.....he is replaceable.[/quote:2yz1t9ja]

                Not with anyone we currently have on the roster. I like Hoke but he isn't Hampton. His game is more penetration, lateral movement, motor. He is a solid player but he won't command double teams which by your own words is crucial for the 3-4. He is only replaceable day one with a guy like Cody. Cody can step in day 1 and take on 2 OLmen.[/quote:2yz1t9ja]

                Again the problem with the 3-4 defense that will be magnified as more and more teams pursue dominant 3-4 NTs. The price will go through the roof and colleges don't produce them in volume.
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                • TallyStiller
                  Starter
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 513

                  #53
                  Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

                  .02... He wants to get paid so he can be a fat, lazy piece of crap like so many other big guys in the league. I can guarantee that he'll disappear forever the minute he gets paid. At this point, I honestly hope they DO tag him, then draft his replacement and withdraw the tag. Release him out on the market in late April with a lockout looming and see how p*ssed he is about being forced (sob, choke) to accept $7 million to play a freaking game in a country with a 10% unemployment rate.

                  Of course, I'd make a lousy owner myself... the reason why most players don't pull classless nonsense like this on us is because the Rooneys treat them well.

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                  • hawaiiansteel
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 35648

                    #54
                    Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

                    [quote=Shawn][quote=Dee Dub]
                    Originally posted by "Mel Blount's G":33s4exbz
                    Typical. Should have seen this coming. When I hear players say "I want to stay in {insert name of their team}. I love it here. I wanna finish my career here" it really means "I'll be signing with another team if/when they don't offer me a multi-year contract worth top dollar"
                    Agreed 100%!!!

                    Originally posted by "Mel Blount's G":33s4exbz
                    I hope this situation doesn't get too ugly.
                    Who cares?? I think at this point in Casey Hampton's career.....he is replaceable.[/quote:33s4exbz]

                    Not with anyone we currently have on the roster. I like Hoke but he isn't Hampton. His game is more penetration, lateral movement, motor. He is a solid player but he won't command double teams which by your own words is crucial for the 3-4. He is only replaceable day one with a guy like Cody. Cody can step in day 1 and take on 2 OLmen.[/quote:33s4exbz]


                    I think Dan Williams NT from Tennessee could also replace Big Snack from Day 1 while rotating in with Chris Hoke during his first year. We may have no choice because from all indications so far Hampton is going to prove to be very difficult to sign.

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                    • stlrz d
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 9244

                      #55
                      Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

                      Originally posted by TallyStiller
                      .02... He wants to get paid so he can be a fat, lazy piece of crap like so many other big guys in the league. I can guarantee that he'll disappear forever the minute he gets paid. At this point, I honestly hope they DO tag him, then draft his replacement and withdraw the tag. Release him out on the market in late April with a lockout looming and see how p*ssed he is about being forced (sob, choke) to accept $7 million to play a freaking game in a country with a 10% unemployment rate.

                      Of course, I'd make a lousy owner myself... the reason why most players don't pull classless nonsense like this on us is because the Rooneys treat them well.
                      What do you want to bet he doesn't?

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                      • hawaiiansteel
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 35648

                        #56
                        Re: Steelers' Hampton doesn't want tag - "it will be a problem"

                        Originally posted by stlrz d
                        Originally posted by TallyStiller
                        .02... He wants to get paid so he can be a fat, lazy piece of crap like so many other big guys in the league. I can guarantee that he'll disappear forever the minute he gets paid. At this point, I honestly hope they DO tag him, then draft his replacement and withdraw the tag. Release him out on the market in late April with a lockout looming and see how p*ssed he is about being forced (sob, choke) to accept $7 million to play a freaking game in a country with a 10% unemployment rate.

                        Of course, I'd make a lousy owner myself... the reason why most players don't pull classless nonsense like this on us is because the Rooneys treat them well.
                        What do you want to bet he doesn't?

                        I have seen Hampton report to camp out of shape but I've never seen him dog it in a game. I think the big problem here is that Casey wants one last big payday and the Steelers have a philosophy of not over-paying for players in the twilights of their careers.

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