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  • feltdizz
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 27531
    #31
    Re: Grading out Ziggy....

    Originally posted by papillon

    I'm not astute enough when it comes to football Xs and Os to make that determination. But, it seems the Steelers rushing defense has survived without Casey in the lineup and using a career backup (Hoke) at the position. Then Smith went down late a couple years ago and the Steelers began giving away rushing yards like they were penny candy and then were one and done in the playoffs.

    It could be a coincidence and other factors play into these things, but, it was rather eye opening in 2007. Even this year, without Smith the Steelers did well against the run, but no team actually abandoned the run because it was futile. Maybe, it was Smith or maybe it was missing bith Troy and Smith, but teams still certainly tried to run the ball on the Steelers this year and had some success, regardless of what the stats say about their rank in rushing defense.

    Pappy

    It's easier pulling a guard to a weak side to expose a missing DE???
    Steelers 27
    Rats 16

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      • NJ-STEELER
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 12563
        #32
        Re: Grading out Ziggy....

        didn't hampton start right away?

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          • RuthlessBurgher
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 33208
            #33
            Re: Grading out Ziggy....

            Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
            didn't hampton start right away?
            Kimo started the first 5 games of the '01 season on the nose, then he moved over to DE and they inserted Casey as the stater at NT for the final 11 games of his rookie season.
            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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              • AkronSteel
                Pro Bowler
                • May 2008
                • 1272
                #34
                Re: Grading out Ziggy....

                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                didn't hampton start right away?
                Kimo started the first 5 games of the '01 season on the nose, then he moved over to DE and they inserted Casey as the stater at NT for the final 11 games of his rookie season.
                I believe Kendric Clancy started those early games at the nose but Casey was playing just as much as him!!! i will have to look at the tapes but I think it was Clancy!!!
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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208
                    #35
                    Re: Grading out Ziggy....

                    Originally posted by AkronSteel
                    Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                    Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                    didn't hampton start right away?
                    Kimo started the first 5 games of the '01 season on the nose, then he moved over to DE and they inserted Casey as the stater at NT for the final 11 games of his rookie season.
                    I believe Kendric Clancy started those early games at the nose but Casey was playing just as much as him!!! i will have to look at the tapes but I think it was Clancy!!!
                    Could be...I just remember bringing Kimo in from Cincy and he was an underwhelming NT, then we drafted Casey and Kimo was a much better 3-4 DE for us. Perhaps it was the year before Casey was drafted that Kimo was our NT and not the first 5 games that season.
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                      • ikestops85
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 3724
                        #36
                        Re: Grading out Ziggy....

                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        Originally posted by cruzer8
                        Originally posted by ikestops85
                        I think it's funny that people actually believe that the reason rookies don't play on our defense is because it's too complicated for them. We have had rookies play and play well for our defense. Kendrel Bell sound familiar?

                        The reason it doesn't happen often is we generally don't have a glaring weakness in our defense where a rookie is going to come in and outplay the vet for a starting position.

                        That goes for all teams that are strong on a particular side of the ball. How many rookies have come out of training camp and started on the Colts offense? I'll bet you can't name too many that didn't have to do with injuries to the starter.

                        I'm sure if we draft a corner who shows he can blanket our receivers in camp and the other teams receivers in pre-season he will get a chance to start no matter how complicated our defense supposedly is.
                        Kendrall Bell had one assignment.. BLITZ... he never learned the defense and this is why he was traded. James Harrison could've had the same assignment and played on day one. We paid the price for rushing Bell..

                        He was trash in KC too... pure trash. Sorry Bell, but I watched Tiki run right by you on a highlight breaking 7 tackles and you never touched him...and you were right next to him!

                        Let me add... using Kendrall Bell as proof is not good at all. All these years and he is the best we can come up with?
                        I don't think you are getting the point. Bell was better than any other player we could put on the field in that position so he started so why isn't he a good example. Let's flip this around. How about you name me a team that has an excellent defense and drafts a player who immediately starts? That list isn't going to be very long.

                        What steeler rookies have we had that you think would have started if our defense was "dumbed down"?
                        As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                        but Go Steelers!!!

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