Post-Gazette: Arians stays

[Oviedo]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

If this is true, it takes the air right out of my balloon. Talk about having your bubble burst. This is the worst news ever!


Rockon

It's the only rational decision that could be made. The offense has improved year after year. If the Steelers struggle to score points next year in the red zone or struggle in short yardage situations, then I'll be the first to say Arians should go. If the offense continues to produce as it did this year and manages to improve in the red zone and short yardage the Steelers will have a top 5 offense.

This is how the Steelers have operated forever. The Steelers need more proof than a bunch of Yahoos on a message board saying Arians should go and one disappointing year to actually relieve the man of his duties.

They believe in their strategy and they will not deviate, good for them, good for the Steelers, it's bad for those that need immediate gratification, fortunately, I am a patient man.

Pappy

All hail Pappy

[Sugar]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

I guess I just don't have any problem with this news.

IMO, the Offense did have some problems this year, but not nearly like the Defense or especially the Special Teams that cost us at least 4 games where the O scored more than the D allowed but we still lost.

Sure, BA makes a convenient whipping boy, but I don't think his being retained is remotely bad news.

[papillon]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

I guess I just don't have any problem with this news.

IMO, the Offense did have some problems this year, but not nearly like the Defense or especially the Special Teams that cost us at least 4 games where the O scored more than the D allowed but we still lost.

Sure, BA makes a convenient whipping boy, but I don't think his being retained is remotely bad news.

It's not bad news, the Steelers are going to be a good offensive football team next year. If, and this is a big if, Sweed gets his head on straight who is going to stop this offense? Only mistakes, penalties and injuries will be able to contain them, not any defense in this league. They may have a bad game or two over the course of a year, but they will be very good, again.

Lets hope the draft, Troy's health and Aaron's health improve and the defense returns to glory next year. The Steelers will be a formidable foe next season once again. The Bengals are only temporary tenants in the penthouse of the AFCN.

Pappy
Pappy

[rockonsteel]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

If this is true, it takes the air right out of my balloon. Talk about having your bubble burst. This is the worst news ever!


Rockon

It's the only rational decision that could be made. The offense has improved year after year. If the Steelers struggle to score points next year in the red zone or struggle in short yardage situations, then I'll be the first to say Arians should go. If the offense continues to produce as it did this year and manages to improve in the red zone and short yardage the Steelers will have a top 5 offense.

This is how the Steelers have operated forever. The Steelers need more proof than a bunch of Yahoos on a message board saying Arians should go and one disappointing year to actually relieve the man of his duties.

They believe in their strategy and they will not deviate, good for them, good for the Steelers, it's bad for those that need immediate gratification, fortunately, I am a patient man.

Pappy

You've made it perfectly clear that he's your guy. I happen to have a problem with someone who can't/won't employ a FB, who can't make adjustment in-game and has a ridiculous penchant for calling for 5 wide sets on 3rd and 1. I;'m sorry bro, that doesn't sit well with me. Yahoo or not, I don't think that is sound football strategy. Apparently Tomlin and co. don't agree with me. Like you said, we'll see next season if we're still dealing with this same crap. I don't know what people expect to change. BA is a 50 something year old man, meaning he has been who he is for a lot of years. Do we expect a few months between seasons is gonna change him? I seriously doubt it. This just made an already bad offseason, that much worse. I'm disgusted all over again. Whatever, I have no control over this bull****.


Rockon

[rockonsteel]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

It's not bad news, the Steelers are going to be a good offensive football team next year. If, and this is a big if, Sweed gets his head on straight who is going to stop this offense? Only mistakes, penalties and injuries will be able to contain them, not any defense in this league. They may have a bad game or two over the course of a year, but they will be very good, again.

Lets hope the draft, Troy's health and Aaron's health improve and the defense returns to glory next year. The Steelers will be a formidable foe next season once again. The Bengals are only temporary tenants in the penthouse of the AFCN.

Pappy
Pappy

That would be one Bruce Arians. He was the one who stopped the offense this season, once they got inside the 20 yd. line. I expect more of the same next season.

This really puts MT in a different light for me. Along with all the empty declarations he made over the season, this just adds to it. This was a move that needed to happen. Once again MT fails to pull the trigger. I am thoroughly disappointed if true.


Rockon

[Iron Shiek]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

I guess I just don't have any problem with this news.

IMO, the Offense did have some problems this year, but not nearly like the Defense or especially the Special Teams that cost us at least 4 games where the O scored more than the D allowed but we still lost.

Sure, BA makes a convenient whipping boy, but I don't think his being retained is remotely bad news.

It's not bad news, the Steelers are going to be a good offensive football team next year. If, and this is a big if, Sweed gets his head on straight who is going to stop this offense? Only mistakes, penalties and injuries will be able to contain them, not any defense in this league. They may have a bad game or two over the course of a year, but they will be very good, again.

Lets hope the draft, Troy's health and Aaron's health improve and the defense returns to glory next year. The Steelers will be a formidable foe next season once again. The Bengals are only temporary tenants in the penthouse of the AFCN.

Pappy
Pappy

Until "Ben Arians" or "Bruce Roethlisberger" calls a qb sneak on 3rd and 1 and gets the qb injured for several weeks with yet another concussion.

I agree, if Arians really has taken this offense as far as it can go, than we should expect pretty similar results to the "record-breaking" season that we had this year.

[papillon]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

If this is true, it takes the air right out of my balloon. Talk about having your bubble burst. This is the worst news ever!


Rockon

It's the only rational decision that could be made. The offense has improved year after year. If the Steelers struggle to score points next year in the red zone or struggle in short yardage situations, then I'll be the first to say Arians should go. If the offense continues to produce as it did this year and manages to improve in the red zone and short yardage the Steelers will have a top 5 offense.

This is how the Steelers have operated forever. The Steelers need more proof than a bunch of Yahoos on a message board saying Arians should go and one disappointing year to actually relieve the man of his duties.

They believe in their strategy and they will not deviate, good for them, good for the Steelers, it's bad for those that need immediate gratification, fortunately, I am a patient man.

Pappy

You've made it perfectly clear that he's your guy. I happen to have a problem with someone who can't/won't employ a FB, who can't make adjustment in-game and has a ridiculous penchant for calling for 5 wide sets on 3rd and 1. I;'m sorry bro, that doesn't sit well with me. Yahoo or not, I don't think that is sound football strategy. Apparently Tomlin and co. don't agree with me. Like you said, we'll see next season if we're still dealing with this same crap. I don't know what people expect to change. BA is a 50 something year old man, meaning he has been who he is for a lot of years. Do we expect a few months between seasons is gonna change him? I seriously doubt it. This just made an already bad offseason, that much worse. I'm disgusted all over again. Whatever, I have no control over this bad word.


Rockon

He's not mt guy, they could have fired him and I'd be fine with that as well. I defended him, because, I believed it to be decidedly one sided in the criticism that was being levied against the Steeler coaching staff this year. I also believe that if you've been a fan of the Steelers for any amount of time you realize that they hold near and dear to their hearts loyalty. Neither coordinator did anything this year to warrant getting fired and neither did Mike Tomlin. It's short-sighted to look at one disappointing season and want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

The Steelers this year lost as a team from the coaching staff right down to the 53rd guy on the roster. It wasn't one person or one play, each unit had their share of issues in different games that caused the downfall of the Steelers this year.

If the offense played well, the defense gave up leads. If the defense played well the offense couldn't score against the Cleveland Browns. If the offense adn defense played well the special teams gave up TDs, had dumb penalties, etc. This was one total cluster F*** of a season by the entire team.

There were some nice individual performances, but other than Ben no one performed consistently good. Woodley started slow, Harrison slowed at the end, Hampton was up and down all year, Holmes disappeared a few times when we needed him, Mendenhall wasn't "on the details" once, we didn't get an INT by a cornerback until the 16th game of the season and so on and son.

I'm certain Arians will be instructed to fix short yardage and red zone offense. And, I'm sure Lebeau will be given similar instructions, fix 3rd and long, dont' give up TDs immediately after the offense has scored to take the lead, etc.

Ligashesky should be fired, if he isn't, that's fine to, he will be given the instruction as well, tackle better, maintain your lanes, don't give up big returns after the offense has taken the lead, don't leave it up to the kicker to make a tackle, etc., etc.

The team lost and I"m glad that offensive and defensive continuity will be there gooing into next year. They've been given a chacne lets see what they can do.

Pappy

[feltdizz]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

Oh Joy Another year of reading b!thching, complaining and second guessing. At least the "cut and paste" function can be used since we have read the same things for two year now.

Oh well. I'll suck it up and accept it until he pi$ses me off again, just like I did the past couple years. Gosh, I can't believe its been a year since this same announcement was made. I remember typing something similar saying that I'll accept it and keep the familiarity and what not. I'm being set up for dissappointment I think, but its done now.

I wonder what changes are under way on the other side of the ball?

LeBeau is stubborn and refuses to make adjustments durings games (sound familiar). Nothing will cahange of the defensive side of the ball because St LeBeau received the fire zone blitz on stone tablets from heaven and will follow that regardless of whether it works or not and whether his players may be better at playing another scheme. We dare not question St LeBeau or demand any changes lest we burn in that really hot place for all eternity.

This is funny... because unfortunately it's true...

How does thou question Lord St. Bad word?

[Flasteel]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

This is horrible news as far as I'm concerned. Arians has sucked since day one and if he didn't have the talent on offense to constantly bail him out, it would be pretty evident to all. I guess there isn't much use in complaining since we're stuck with him for another year but I will be there each and every week next season to hammer the guy.

[NW Steeler]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

I personally wonder how much more input Tomlin will have in game planning and adjustments during the games next year? Obviously there were warts on both the offense and defense. Will Tomlin take a stand and change some of Arians' philosophy? Specifically short yardage situations, the empty backfield, and the actual use of a fullback? How about on defense? Will we see Tomlin truly put his "stamp" on this team now?

[feltdizz]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

Arians haters need to find new team to root for. Ben loves Arians.. how dare you go against Ben the almighty? Seriously... why do you guys want our QB unhappy? Half you guys were mad Heath didn't make the pro bowl. You want it all.. but really, like me, most of you want a couple more runs a game. Just remember when you are bashing someone who wants Ben to throw quicker or check down or we get mad at an INT or lack of runs...

When you are screaming "passing league" and "Ben makes things happen so be happy with a few more sacks" you guys are defending BA... Ben and BA are thick as thieves... Attached at the hip... You can't love Ben right now without loving BA...

Deal with it or find a new team. LOL!!!

[isonator07]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

I guess I just don't have any problem with this news.

IMO, the Offense did have some problems this year, but not nearly like the Defense or especially the Special Teams that cost us at least 4 games where the O scored more than the D allowed but we still lost.

Sure, BA makes a convenient whipping boy, but I don't think his being retained is remotely bad news.

It's not bad news, the Steelers are going to be a good offensive football team next year. If, and this is a big if, Sweed gets his head on straight who is going to stop this offense? Only mistakes, penalties and injuries will be able to contain them, not any defense in this league. They may have a bad game or two over the course of a year, but they will be very good, again.

Lets hope the draft, Troy's health and Aaron's health improve and the defense returns to glory next year. The Steelers will be a formidable foe next season once again. The Bengals are only temporary tenants in the penthouse of the AFCN.

Pappy
Pappy

.


How about shotgun formation on nearly every 3rd down. Or empty backfield on 3rd and 2 all season long. Great we rack up yards. Great Ben has a man crush on the mole. Maybe we can run a toss to Moore on 3rd down to take us outta fg range.

The defense was disappointing this yr also. I like the 3-4 and I love our OLB's but late in the game we've been exposed. What can we do to fix it? I don't know. Could we run a 4-3 cover two when we have the lead in the fourth? I just want to see something different cause I think, same personel same scheme = same results.

[Vindrow]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

Well, another year of bad play calling and Tomlin coming out with the cliches when we lose to crappy teams. Well, maybe they will can both of them after another mediocre year.

[steelerkeylargo]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

Bitter much, Oviedo?

Arians is staying. You got what you wanted and you're still on the attack.

He won't be satisfied until we s-can LeBeau and switch to the 4-3.

Read my posts. I clearly stated that I felt both coordinators should go. I stated that Arians had probably taken this offense as far as he could. Where I differ is that I don't delude myself into thinking the "grass is greener on the otherside" and a new person equates to better. I recognize that a new person could equate to worse.

As far as the defense, I have always stated that while the 4-3 is a something we should consider for a number of reasons I have explained in detail I'm Ok staying with the 3-4 as long as we have taken a honest, realistic assessment of our defense and its performance. My issue has always been that LeBeau is never questioned even when he fails. LeBeau is never blamed even when he fails. Therefore there is no motivation for him to change or even consider something new or different. That is not good for the team IMO.

I don't sound like the bitter and disappointed posters. Just stop and think about what I write for a second. I question and suggest we assess LeBeau's performance and it is characterized as "still on the attack." However anyone who criticizes Arians is viewed as being on a holy crusade. My posts these last few days (and I have deliberately overstated some things intentionally) have just tried to illustrate this unbalanced position.

You can take Ty Carter, Ryan Mundy, Wille Gay and Keiwann Raitliff and put em in a 3-4, 4-3, 1-6 whatever you like they aint gonna cut it. And that my friends is not St. Lebeau's fault!!!!

[aggiebones]

Re: Post-Gazette: Arians stays

I kinda sit with Pap on this one. I would be fine with firing him if we had someone better in line. But can tolerate another look at him. I prefer a bit more running as in running minded and not passing minded. But if we weasel another Super Bowl in the next year or so, I can suffer a bit more.

As for hammering Lebeau, that's retarded. We are just coming off a no.1 rated defense in all categories except running defense when Bmore snuck in front of us on the last day, in 2008. Lebeau didn't go stupid, we just had too many changes on D and maybe he made some mistakes and needs some change for 4th quarter. But he's the same guy and the team will be back. What are you going to do, fire him? That would ignorant. Complain about their production a bit late in games if you want, but I still think that was a product of ball control issues to a degree and the D hitting the wall late in games after a long 2008 season.
I kinda am OK with giving most guys a pass for a season after they won SB#6 for us. Pretty lame to can a bunch of guys after slipping the next season. Most teams do.