Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

[feltdizz]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

Ron Cook = feltdizz

I'm not alone... He is spot on too... No one thinks BA is perfect or without flaw...
This season is the worst year to make a case for his dismissal IMO.

You are not a lone. I for know the offense showed improvement over last season. People don't want to see it because of hate. Hate over a few bad or questionable calls. If people think another OC will never have bad games or make questionable calls then they are mistaken.

The defensive side of the ball took a major step back. The special teams can also be lumped in with the defense.

Burgh

Been listening to your BA love fest for a long time, and tired of hearing your "expert" opinion of why Arians is unfairly criticized by the sheep who don't know any better. Your favorite response is that we are all "haters" and are looking for a scapegoat.

Do you have a PhD in Psychology? Are you an ex-football coach? Do you understand the world better than everybody else? When people don't agree with you, try laying off with stereotyping/writing them off as haters and sheep with some sort of agenda.

Reading BA's Bio is a great example of why he shouldn't be our coordinator. The man has been mediocre his entire life and is happy with it. I don't know you, but if I were to stereotype you (like you do to me) as to why you are satisfied with Bruce, then I might theorize that you are mediocre in everything you do in life and therefor support someone that reflects yourself. On the other hand, I strive to do the best I can every day and expect that from my peers and subordinates. Mediocrity is unacceptable. That is why I can't stand BA. His lack of imagination and ability to adjust his game planning to the environment around him underwhelms me immensely.

Long story short, defend BA with facts, provide a good debate and stop analyzing/stereotyping/writing off those that disagree with you. I find it quite insulting.

It is a long story.. and a boring one.

if being called a hater is insulting it's because you are one..
if you expect excellence then Lebeau would have been fired last year.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

It is a long story.. and a boring one.

if being called a hater is insulting it's because you are one..
if you expect excellence then Lebeau would have been fired last year.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.

Just for the record, the whole "if you're insulted it must be true" tactic is not a good way to prove a point.

And by the way, you pretty much did exactly what he said: resort to stereotypes.

[feltdizz]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

It is a long story.. and a boring one.

if being called a hater is insulting it's because you are one..
if you expect excellence then Lebeau would have been fired last year.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.

Just for the record, the whole "if you're insulted it must be true" tactic is not a good way to prove a point.

And by the way, you pretty much did exactly what he said: resort to stereotypes.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.
you big

[SteelTorch]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

It is a long story.. and a boring one.

if being called a hater is insulting it's because you are one..
if you expect excellence then Lebeau would have been fired last year.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.

Just for the record, the whole "if you're insulted it must be true" tactic is not a good way to prove a point.

And by the way, you pretty much did exactly what he said: resort to stereotypes.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.
you big

Right...so the next time a person addresses me as a hater, I'll assume he's talking about somebody else.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

Ron Cook = feltdizz

I'm not alone... He is spot on too... No one thinks BA is perfect or without flaw...
This season is the worst year to make a case for his dismissal IMO.

You are not a lone. I for know the offense showed improvement over last season. People don't want to see it because of hate. Hate over a few bad or questionable calls. If people think another OC will never have bad games or make questionable calls then they are mistaken.

The defensive side of the ball took a major step back. The special teams can also be lumped in with the defense.

Burgh

Been listening to your BA love fest for a long time, and tired of hearing your "expert" opinion of why Arians is unfairly criticized by the sheep who don't know any better. Your favorite response is that we are all "haters" and are looking for a scapegoat.

Do you have a PhD in Psychology? Are you an ex-football coach? Do you understand the world better than everybody else? When people don't agree with you, try laying off with stereotyping/writing them off as haters and sheep with some sort of agenda.

Reading BA's Bio is a great example of why he shouldn't be our coordinator. The man has been mediocre his entire life and is happy with it. I don't know you, but if I were to stereotype you (like you do to me) as to why you are satisfied with Bruce, then I might theorize that you are mediocre in everything you do in life and therefor support someone that reflects yourself. On the other hand, I strive to do the best I can every day and expect that from my peers and subordinates. Mediocrity is unacceptable. That is why I can't stand BA. His lack of imagination and ability to adjust his game planning to the environment around him underwhelms me immensely.

Long story short, defend BA with facts, provide a good debate and stop analyzing/stereotyping/writing off those that disagree with you. I find it quite insulting.

It is a long story.. and a boring one.

if being called a hater is insulting it's because you are one..
if you expect excellence then Lebeau would have been fired last year.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.

I don't understand the statement highlighted in red. LeBeau was excellent last year. It doesn't seem to make sense.

[feltdizz]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

I meant 2009 season.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

I meant 2009 season.

Gotcha. Change in calendar year from 2009 to 2010. I was thinking in terms of seasons (and it didn't make sense why anyone would even consider getting rid of Arians last offseason).

[steelnavy]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

Ron Cook = feltdizz

I'm not alone... He is spot on too... No one thinks BA is perfect or without flaw...
This season is the worst year to make a case for his dismissal IMO.

You are not a lone. I for know the offense showed improvement over last season. People don't want to see it because of hate. Hate over a few bad or questionable calls. If people think another OC will never have bad games or make questionable calls then they are mistaken.

The defensive side of the ball took a major step back. The special teams can also be lumped in with the defense.

Burgh

Been listening to your BA love fest for a long time, and tired of hearing your "expert" opinion of why Arians is unfairly criticized by the sheep who don't know any better. Your favorite response is that we are all "haters" and are looking for a scapegoat.

Do you have a PhD in Psychology? Are you an ex-football coach? Do you understand the world better than everybody else? When people don't agree with you, try laying off with stereotyping/writing them off as haters and sheep with some sort of agenda.

Reading BA's Bio is a great example of why he shouldn't be our coordinator. The man has been mediocre his entire life and is happy with it. I don't know you, but if I were to stereotype you (like you do to me) as to why you are satisfied with Bruce, then I might theorize that you are mediocre in everything you do in life and therefor support someone that reflects yourself. On the other hand, I strive to do the best I can every day and expect that from my peers and subordinates. Mediocrity is unacceptable. That is why I can't stand BA. His lack of imagination and ability to adjust his game planning to the environment around him underwhelms me immensely.

Long story short, defend BA with facts, provide a good debate and stop analyzing/stereotyping/writing off those that disagree with you. I find it quite insulting.

It is a long story.. and a boring one.

if being called a hater is insulting it's because you are one..
if you expect excellence then Lebeau would have been fired last year.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.

Feltdizz

Please take the time to process what I said. I have a problem with BA because he has NEVER excelled at coaching in the NFL (or college). Lebeau, on the other hand, Has excelled at EVERYTHING he has ever done. Everybody has good and bad years. And I would argue that Lebeau's bad year is about equal to BA's best year.

FOR THE MOST PART OVER THE LONG TERM:
Lebeau = consistently better than average (as a football player and coach)
Arians = consistently average or below average

Which guy deserves the benefit of the doubt and which one should get canned? Better yet, who do you hire for your small company? The constant overachiever with solid record or middle of the pack, mediocre Joe who has never excelled in his field?

If BA is so worth keeping, why are no other teams breaking down the door to get him? Guess they all read this board and we "haters" scared them away?

And BTW, did you notice that you and Burgh (and sprinkle in Papillon lately) are about the only BA (major) supporters on this board? Does that make you smarter than the rest of us?

[feltdizz]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

It is a long story.. and a boring one.

if being called a hater is insulting it's because you are one..
if you expect excellence then Lebeau would have been fired last year.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.

Feltdizz

Please take the time to process what I said. I have a problem with BA because he has NEVER excelled at coaching in the NFL (or college). Lebeau, on the other hand, Has excelled at EVERYTHING he has ever done. Everybody has good and bad years. And I would argue that Lebeau's bad year is about equal to BA's best year.

FOR THE MOST PART OVER THE LONG TERM:
Lebeau = consistently better than average (as a football player and coach)
Arians = consistently average or below average

Which guy deserves the benefit of the doubt and which one should get canned? Better yet, who do you hire for your small company? The constant overachiever with solid record or middle of the pack, mediocre Joe who has never excelled in his field?

If BA is so worth keeping, why are no other teams breaking down the door to get him? Guess they all read this board and we "haters" scared them away?

And BTW, did you notice that you and Burgh (and sprinkle in Papillon lately) are about the only BA (major) supporters on this board? Does that make you smarter than the rest of us?

Yep... on this issue it does. Tomlin, the Rooneys, FO, Investors, Ben and Holmes all agree on this...

The reason Pap, Burgh and a few others are the lone few who support keeping BA around.. for various reason that have nothing to do with BA being a genius or the best..
is because we are realist... we step back and look at the whole picture and not just at BA. Most BA haters can't even admit to a good play call or good over all game plan when we do win. It's always in spite of BA or because of Ben... yet Ben loves BA so you tell me who is smart?

No other teams are breaking down Arians door because they can't get Ben to come with him...

like I said before... the best OC's are the ones with mediocre talent and excel... look at the top 5 passers in the league.. only the Saints OC can be seen as a pure genius because the culture of losing was shed. Look what Whiz has done with Leinart.. nothing.

You can hate BA all you want... but BA doesn't coach the D or play D.
Stop inserting BA into all of the Steelers woes and focus on each aspect of the team when making assessments.

[cruzer8]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

BA is the baby who should have been thrown out with the bath water.

[steelnavy]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

It is a long story.. and a boring one.

if being called a hater is insulting it's because you are one..
if you expect excellence then Lebeau would have been fired last year.

in closing... stop taking another person's opinion personal.

Feltdizz

Please take the time to process what I said. I have a problem with BA because he has NEVER excelled at coaching in the NFL (or college). Lebeau, on the other hand, Has excelled at EVERYTHING he has ever done. Everybody has good and bad years. And I would argue that Lebeau's bad year is about equal to BA's best year.

FOR THE MOST PART OVER THE LONG TERM:
Lebeau = consistently better than average (as a football player and coach)
Arians = consistently average or below average

Which guy deserves the benefit of the doubt and which one should get canned? Better yet, who do you hire for your small company? The constant overachiever with solid record or middle of the pack, mediocre Joe who has never excelled in his field?

If BA is so worth keeping, why are no other teams breaking down the door to get him? Guess they all read this board and we "haters" scared them away?

And BTW, did you notice that you and Burgh (and sprinkle in Papillon lately) are about the only BA (major) supporters on this board? Does that make you smarter than the rest of us?

Yep... on this issue it does. Tomlin, the Rooneys, FO, Investors, Ben and Holmes all agree on this...

The reason Pap, Burgh and a few others are the lone few who support keeping BA around.. for various reason that have nothing to do with BA being a genius or the best..
is because we are realist... we step back and look at the whole picture and not just at BA. Most BA haters can't even admit to a good play call or good over all game plan when we do win. It's always in spite of BA or because of Ben... yet Ben loves BA so you tell me who is smart?

No other teams are breaking down Arians door because they can't get Ben to come with him...

like I said before... the best OC's are the ones with mediocre talent and excel... look at the top 5 passers in the league.. only the Saints OC can be seen as a pure genius because the culture of losing was shed. Look what Whiz has done with Leinart.. nothing.

You can hate BA all you want... but BA doesn't coach the D or play D.
Stop inserting BA into all of the Steelers woes and focus on each aspect of the team when making assessments.

Man, Feltdizz, you make A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS.

"because we are realist... we step back and look at the whole picture and not just at BA."

Right, because NOBODY ELSE is a realist and refuses to focus beyond BA. (just you, Burgh and Papillon).

"Most BA haters can't even admit to a good play call or good over all game plan when we do win."

Really, and where did you get that fact from?

"No other teams are breaking down Arians door because they can't get Ben to come with him..."

Wow, from where did you glean this tidbit?

"the best OC's are the ones with mediocre talent and excel..."

So OCs with good talent that excel are not the best... and mediocre OCs (BA) with great talent are the best? WTF

"You can hate BA all you want"

Because I think that BA stinks and want him gone, therefor I must hate him. Hmmmm...

"Stop inserting BA into all of the Steelers woes and focus on each aspect of the team when making assessments."

You're right because NO ONE BUT YOU EVER COMPLAINS about special teams, horrible secondary, etc...

Dude, learn how to debate and make sound arguments.

FELTDIZZ = BURGH86 = Arians

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

Ron Cook = feltdizz

I'm not alone... He is spot on too... No one thinks BA is perfect or without flaw...
This season is the worst year to make a case for his dismissal IMO.

You are not a lone. I for know the offense showed improvement over last season. People don't want to see it because of hate. Hate over a few bad or questionable calls. If people think another OC will never have bad games or make questionable calls then they are mistaken.

The defensive side of the ball took a major step back. The special teams can also be lumped in with the defense.

Burgh

Been listening to your BA love fest for a long time, and tired of hearing your "expert" opinion of why Arians is unfairly criticized by the sheep who don't know any better. Your favorite response is that we are all "haters" and are looking for a scapegoat.

Do you have a PhD in Psychology? Are you an ex-football coach? Do you understand the world better than everybody else? When people don't agree with you, try laying off with stereotyping/writing them off as haters and sheep with some sort of agenda.

Reading BA's Bio is a great example of why he shouldn't be our coordinator. The man has been mediocre his entire life and is happy with it. I don't know you, but if I were to stereotype you (like you do to me) as to why you are satisfied with Bruce, then I might theorize that you are mediocre in everything you do in life and therefor support someone that reflects yourself. On the other hand, I strive to do the best I can every day and expect that from my peers and subordinates. Mediocrity is unacceptable. That is why I can't stand BA. His lack of imagination and ability to adjust his game planning to the environment around him underwhelms me immensely.

Long story short, defend BA with facts, provide a good debate and stop analyzing/stereotyping/writing off those that disagree with you. I find it quite insulting.

I really don't have a love feast with BA. I can care less if BA goes or stays. After all, he will eventually go one day. My stance is usually to be fair to the players and coaches of the team. There are things that each of them can do better. I can also understand why coaches don't simply give up on other coaches or players.

People do look for BA to be the goat. I've read many posts to know this to be true. When people single him out for the teams failures, the defenses failures, or anything else that goes wrong with the team, that is the definition of goat in my book. People almost look for reasons to blame him. When the offense plays well, it is Ben. When they fail, it is BA. What does that mean to you?

Define your feelings towards Arians? Does can't stand qualify as hate?

It is only YOUR opinion that you feel he should not be an OC. The experts in the NFL feel as though Arians is qualified to be an OC. He proved he can be a good OC. Good enough to be on 2 coaching staffs(position coach and OC) that won 2 SB's. Is that the definition of mediocre? He's also coached some pretty good QB's and WR's.

Do you believe that BA strives to be mediocre? Come on man. Strange how you try to psychoanalyze me. Guess you are more of an expert then I am.

I would go through everything and show you that he adjusts his game plans. Well enough to help the team make the playoffs in 07 and win the SB in 08. The offense also showed a lot of improvement this season. There are areas they can continue to work to improve.

It is pointless because no matter what I say or show you, you have your mind made up about BA. I hope this offense shows more improvement to prove fans wrong. Then again, fans will continue to state, "they won in spite of BA." LOL

[feltdizz]

Re: Making Arians a scapegoat is unwarranted

Man, Feltdizz, you make A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS.

"because we are realist... we step back and look at the whole picture and not just at BA."

Right, because NOBODY ELSE is a realist and refuses to focus beyond BA. (just you, Burgh and Papillon).

Then please do, most BA haters tend to spend their time asking others to stop focusing on the other areas and spend all day bashing Arians...

"Most BA haters can't even admit to a good play call or good over all game plan when we do win."

Really, and where did you get that fact from?

From most BA haters who say it

"No other teams are breaking down Arians door because they can't get Ben to come with him..."

Wow, from where did you glean this tidbit?

My mind.. it's where all my opinions come from, I guess you pull yours from other sources or outlets... please wash your hands!

"the best OC's are the ones with mediocre talent and excel..."

So OCs with good talent that excel are not the best... and mediocre OCs (BA) with great talent are the best? WTF

I meant talent in terms of players to work with.. it doesn't make sense saying the best OC's are mediocre.. sorry if you were confused

"You can hate BA all you want"

Because I think that BA stinks and want him gone, therefor I must hate him. Hmmmm...

I'm scared of what hate sounds like if that isn't it.... That's a funny way of saying thanks, but no thanks.

"Stop inserting BA into all of the Steelers woes and focus on each aspect of the team when making assessments."

You're right because NO ONE BUT YOU EVER COMPLAINS about special teams, horrible secondary, etc...

Who said no one else? This is directed at you.. I'm responding to your post in here..

Dude, learn how to debate and make sound arguments.

FELTDIZZ = BURGH86 = Arians

inserting: "because no one but you does this..." after a fact isn't debating. It's sarcastically agreeing with me.

and stating" "where did you here this or see this" after an opinion is not debating. It's being a tool...