The 2009 Season in Two Pictures

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: The 2009 Season in Two Pictures

Look, IMO all Wolf did was express disappointment. We should've been there. No comparison of QBs taken here, I thought it was a pretty good summary of our season. It sucks that we're not playing this weekend. Seems like Wolf just expressed some of that pain we're all feeling.

I hope the Men of Steel are as pissed off as we are, and can translate that into a different kind of season next year.

HERE WE GO, STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

[Wolfhound45]

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Look, IMO all Wolf did was express disappointment. We should've been there. No comparison of QBs taken here, I thought it was a pretty good summary of our season. It sucks that we're not playing this weekend. Seems like Wolf just expressed some of that pain we're all feeling.

I hope the Men of Steel are as pissed off as we are, and can translate that into a different kind of season next year.

HERE WE GO, STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

And there you have it. Thank you my friend.

[SteelAbility]

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Well, you haven't stated anything other than the obvious. So people responding are assuming that you are comparing QBs. There is no comparison between BB and MS. If BB were on the Jets they would probably have had a 1st round bye rather than having to be gifted into the playoffs. BB still has two rings and MS does not.

Thanks for making my other point. Don't assume.

If you know me and how I post on this board, then you know I do not make a habit of criticizing Ben. Hence, maybe (just maybe) there was another point to the thread.

Dude please state your point in clear terms. There are a WHOLE BUNCH of conclusion ramifications from posting a photo of MS with a "he's still playing" caption and a photo of BB with a "he's not playing" caption. I could name ... oh ... probably at least 10 right off the top of my head.

Don't make posts that force people into assumptions.

Sorry, I did not want to make you think or anything. Hopefully your head does not hurt too much now.

The point is, for all of the bluster about individual talent and coaching, the bottom line is TEAMS get into playoffs. Hence, it does not matter how good (or not) Mark Sanchez is, his TEAM got into the playoffs (and is still there). Something the 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers TEAM seems to have forgotten. No worries though, they forgot it as well after Super Bowl XL.

Simple enough for you?



See, I can do the "rolling eyes" thing too. Another Internet Tough Guy.

Thanks. Yeah, that's one of the ten possible reasonable interpretations of the genius "this guy is playing" and "this guy is not" photo tandems. I'm not rolling my eyes to be a tough guy. I'm rolling my eyes because you act like your point is so obvious when it is SOOOOO totally not.

Hence, your post FORCES people into assumptions. Then you chide me for making assumptions?

Why don't you just walk up to someone on the street and say these words ... "This is what I'm trying to say." Then act like they're an idiot for not getting it. Then congratulate yourself on how your abstract reasoning ability is so above average people. Keep up the good work Einstein.

[Wolfhound45]

Re: The 2009 Season in Two Pictures

Well, you haven't stated anything other than the obvious. So people responding are assuming that you are comparing QBs. There is no comparison between BB and MS. If BB were on the Jets they would probably have had a 1st round bye rather than having to be gifted into the playoffs. BB still has two rings and MS does not.

Thanks for making my other point. Don't assume.

If you know me and how I post on this board, then you know I do not make a habit of criticizing Ben. Hence, maybe (just maybe) there was another point to the thread.

Dude please state your point in clear terms. There are a WHOLE BUNCH of conclusion ramifications from posting a photo of MS with a "he's still playing" caption and a photo of BB with a "he's not playing" caption. I could name ... oh ... probably at least 10 right off the top of my head.

Don't make posts that force people into assumptions.

Sorry, I did not want to make you think or anything. Hopefully your head does not hurt too much now.

The point is, for all of the bluster about individual talent and coaching, the bottom line is TEAMS get into playoffs. Hence, it does not matter how good (or not) Mark Sanchez is, his TEAM got into the playoffs (and is still there). Something the 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers TEAM seems to have forgotten. No worries though, they forgot it as well after Super Bowl XL.

Simple enough for you?



See, I can do the "rolling eyes" thing too. Another Internet Tough Guy.

Thanks. Yeah, that's one of the ten possible reasonable interpretations of the genius "this guy is playing" and "this guy is not" photo tandems. I'm not rolling my eyes to be a tough guy. I'm rolling my eyes because you act like your point is so obvious when it is SOOOOO totally not.

Hence, your post FORCES people into assumptions. Then you chide me for making assumptions?

Why don't you just walk up to someone on the street and say these words ... "This is what I'm trying to say." Then act like they're an idiot for not getting it. Then congratulate yourself on how your abstract reasoning ability is so above average people. Keep up the good work Einstein.

Here is a thought Einstein (yes, I can be sarcastic too). Just because YOU do not get the point, does not mean OTHERS did not. Maybe (just maybe) the point is that we need to look at WHAT happened and then ask ourselves WHY it happened. We assume that various factors played into it (coaches, play calling, defense). The reality is, maybe (just maybe) NONE of them were relevant factors. Maybe (just maybe) it came down to something as simple as leadership and accountability caused the collapse.

Bottom line, my original post stands on it own. Mark Sanchez is in the playoffs. Ben Roethlisberger is not. The question is not IF they are in the playoffs. The question is WHY.

Keep up the good work as well. Always a pleasure reading your posts.

[Snatch98]

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I fail to see any sort of rational correlation between these two pictures. What does Sanchez have to do with the Jets winning? He's playing efficient football just as Big Ben did ALL YEAR. The Jets got all the help they needed to get in the playoffs and they have the NUMBER ONE DEFENSE and the NUMBER ON RUSH OFFENSE. Soooooo your amusing picture comparison is pretty damn moot. Sorry for being so blunt but these sort of threads are so mind numbing that upon reading I don't know whether to start drooling or punch myself in the face.

We didn't make the playoffs because our defense was a former shell of it's last year self and we simply weren't finishing ball games, MOSTLY because our DEFENSE wasn't keeping the opposition out of the end zone. Oh but it's Big Ben's fault and SO surprising that a team with the best rush offense and the number one defense is in the playoffs.

Thanks for making my point.

You can start drooling (or punching yourself in the face).

Your second post mentions the fleeting fame of a Super Bowl victory and shows a picture of Sanchez and Ben two people who had little to do with their respective teams making or missing the playoffs. Your post was/is retarded. You should have posted a picture of the Steeler defense and the Jets defense and your point would have been received and acknowledged. Sooooo no you still fail.

Wow, I am so impressed. You called me retarded. I was going to cry but I am over it.

Have a wonderful day. Tough guy.

I actually just called your post retarded but whatever. I didn't realize that made me a "tough guy" lol.

[Wolfhound45]

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I actually just called your post retarded but whatever. I didn't realize that made me a "tough guy" lol.

Toughest poster in this thread, hands down. Very good Snatch98! You get a cookie! (have to love Kelly's Heroes).

Hopefully you did not have to drool and/or punch yourself in the head to respond.

[aggiebones]

Re: The 2009 Season in Two Pictures

Wolf, do you think the Jets will win the Super Bowl?
Let me answer for you. No.

Does Ben have a couple rings? Yes.

Therefore, when we TWEAK a few things, we'll be able to get right back in the mix over the next few years.

Sanchez doesn't have the material to take a team to the Super Bowl. Nice player, but you'll see what happens to him in the near future.
The Bengals were retarded, not sure what they were doing. Watching an entire end of the defense crash in to chase a RB when trailing by six yards and not even peaking at the QB. The Bengals were VERY undisciplined of defense and that is being nice. Sanchez had 15 easy throws and those will go away soon.
His defense and running game won't carry him any further.
And let's not forget they backed into the playoffs.

The two pictures should have been of Manning and Palmer. The time off crushed any momentum the Bengals had. I wonder if Manning will suffer the same consequence.

[feltdizz]

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I don't know Wolf's humor... but I felt like it was directed at Ben and his big contract, fame and stats...

Ben was amazing this year so I thought it was off.... but maybe it was just to get a discussion going.

[feltdizz]

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Wolf, do you think the Jets will win the Super Bowl?
Let me answer for you. No.

Does Ben have a couple rings? Yes.

Therefore, when we TWEAK a few things, we'll be able to get right back in the mix over the next few years.

Sanchez doesn't have the material to take a team to the Super Bowl. Nice player, but you'll see what happens to him in the near future.
The Bengals were retarded, not sure what they were doing. Watching an entire end of the defense crash in to chase a RB when trailing by six yards and not even peaking at the QB. The Bengals were VERY undisciplined of defense and that is being nice. Sanchez had 15 easy throws and those will go away soon.
His defense and running game won't carry him any further.
And let's not forget they backed into the playoffs.

The two pictures should have been of Manning and Palmer. The time off crushed any momentum the Bengals had. I wonder if Manning will suffer the same consequence.

I don't buy that.... I think Sanchez crumbles if the game is on his shoulders but he made the 15 easy throws look easy too..

Ben had a terrible first playoff game and he had some easy throws but couldn't make them... I don't think you can count out a team like the Jets BECAUSE they have a D and run the ball a ton.

Flacco has 3 playoff wins doing the same thing...

[Wolfhound45]

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Wolf, do you think the Jets will win the Super Bowl?
Let me answer for you. No.

Does Ben have a couple rings? Yes.

Therefore, when we TWEAK a few things, we'll be able to get right back in the mix over the next few years.

Sanchez doesn't have the material to take a team to the Super Bowl. Nice player, but you'll see what happens to him in the near future.
The Bengals were retarded, not sure what they were doing. Watching an entire end of the defense crash in to chase a RB when trailing by six yards and not even peaking at the QB. The Bengals were VERY undisciplined of defense and that is being nice. Sanchez had 15 easy throws and those will go away soon.
His defense and running game won't carry him any further.
And let's not forget they backed into the playoffs.

The two pictures should have been of Manning and Palmer. The time off crushed any momentum the Bengals had. I wonder if Manning will suffer the same consequence.

Okay, let me try this one more time. It is not about the individual (e.g Sanchez versus Roethlisberger). It is about the team (e.g Jets versus Steelers). Do I think the Jets can win it all? Absolutely! Why? Because they are still in the playoffs (reference Pittsburgh Steelers, 2005). That is the only point to this post. Period. That who "woulda thunk" that the team that won Super Bowl XLIII would be sitting at home in January, especially after the "lessons learned" from the Super Bowl XL hangover. The pictures are simply a way to reinforce the point. Who is in, who is out. Nothing more, nothing less.

In regards to an opinion, I have come to the (very unscientific) conclusion that the Steelers need more than "tweaking" to get back to the playoffs. There is (in my opinion) a lack of leadership and accountability on this team. The lack of passion (again, in my opinion) is very telling. I am absolutely shocked because I have seen Steelers teams from the 70s until now and I have never (never) seen a squad as lethargic as the one I saw this year. Nothing I can prove, only what I can feel.

My bottom line stands. As a point of reference, the Jets (e.g. Sanchez) are in the playoffs. The Steelers are not (e.g. Roethlisberger). The question is, why? I am not buying all of the arguments (for and against) coaching staff and injuries ebing the cause. I think (in my opinion) that it is something simpler, more sublime.

[papillon]

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Maybe I'm obtuse about the two pictures, but my take on it was that a bad rookie was in the playoffs and a good veteran quarterback was not and that pretty much summed up the season for the Steelers. The two pictures pretty much said, "this season just doesn't make sense in any fashion."

There was absolutely no comparison of the quarterbacks, only the irony (if you will) of a rookie who had a pretty bad season making the platyoffs and a two time Super Bowl champion quarterback not making the playoffs.

How did I do with my interpretation?

Pappy

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: The 2009 Season in Two Pictures

Maybe I'm obtuse about the two pictures, but my take on it was that a bad rookie was in the playoffs and a good veteran quarterback was not and that pretty much summed up the season for the Steelers. The two pictures pretty much said, "this season just doesn't make sense in any fashion."

There was absolutely no comparison of the quarterbacks, only the irony (if you will) of a rookie who had a pretty bad season making the platyoffs and a two time Super Bowl champion quarterback not making the playoffs.

How did I do with my interpretation?

Pappy

Not bad. Your interpretation didn't make me want to punch myself in the face or drool. :P

And since you used the word "obtuse" in your post, I am contractually obligated to include a picture of Warden Norton (for all you Shawshank fans out there)



as well as some obtuse angles (for all you geometry fans out there)

[feltdizz]

Re: The 2009 Season in Two Pictures

Wolf, do you think the Jets will win the Super Bowl?
Let me answer for you. No.

Does Ben have a couple rings? Yes.

Therefore, when we TWEAK a few things, we'll be able to get right back in the mix over the next few years.

Sanchez doesn't have the material to take a team to the Super Bowl. Nice player, but you'll see what happens to him in the near future.
The Bengals were retarded, not sure what they were doing. Watching an entire end of the defense crash in to chase a RB when trailing by six yards and not even peaking at the QB. The Bengals were VERY undisciplined of defense and that is being nice. Sanchez had 15 easy throws and those will go away soon.
His defense and running game won't carry him any further.
And let's not forget they backed into the playoffs.

The two pictures should have been of Manning and Palmer. The time off crushed any momentum the Bengals had. I wonder if Manning will suffer the same consequence.

Okay, let me try this one more time. It is not about the individual (e.g Sanchez versus Roethlisberger). It is about the team (e.g Jets versus Steelers). Do I think the Jets can win it all? Absolutely! Why? Because they are still in the playoffs (reference Pittsburgh Steelers, 2005). That is the only point to this post. Period. That who "woulda thunk" that the team that won Super Bowl XLIII would be sitting at home in January, especially after the "lessons learned" from the Super Bowl XL hangover. The pictures are simply a way to reinforce the point. Who is in, who is out. Nothing more, nothing less.

In regards to an opinion, I have come to the (very unscientific) conclusion that the Steelers need more than "tweaking" to get back to the playoffs. There is (in my opinion) a lack of leadership and accountability on this team. The lack of passion (again, in my opinion) is very telling. I am absolutely shocked because I have seen Steelers teams from the 70s until now and I have never (never) seen a squad as lethargic as the one I saw this year. Nothing I can prove, only what I can feel.

My bottom line stands. As a point of reference, the Jets (e.g. Sanchez) are in the playoffs. The Steelers are not (e.g. Roethlisberger). The question is, why? I am not buying all of the arguments (for and against) coaching staff and injuries ebing the cause. I think (in my opinion) that it is something simpler, more sublime.

I agree.... I saw Warner lay into a WR when he came to the sideline.. I thought it was Fitz but it was #80... That same WR made a TD the next possession.

I know people like Ben's style and taking all the blame but I never liked it. Sometimes you need to lay into a player or 2. Harrison is too silent to motivate.. Troy leads by example but I couldn't get amped up for the end of the world if Troy told me it was happening.

We had guys like Bettis and Kemo?(DE)... who Ben and Troy respected as elders on the team. Hines is too sensitive and backstabbing to respect. I know these young kids were scared of Joey Porter.. scared of what he would do once the coaches left the locker room. I don't think we need bullies.. but we do need a guy or 2 to step up and get these guys focused.

It should be Ben, but maybe this is why they hate him. LOL!!! "so they say"

[Wolfhound45]

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Maybe I'm obtuse about the two pictures, but my take on it was that a bad rookie was in the playoffs and a good veteran quarterback was not and that pretty much summed up the season for the Steelers. The two pictures pretty much said, "this season just doesn't make sense in any fashion."

There was absolutely no comparison of the quarterbacks, only the irony (if you will) of a rookie who had a pretty bad season making the platyoffs and a two time Super Bowl champion quarterback not making the playoffs.

How did I do with my interpretation?

Pappy

Spot on my friend, spot on. Must be the "greybeard" in you that can see something so seemingly obvious.

Again, who "woulda thunk" that Mark Sanchez (MARK SANCHEZ) would still be playing while Ben is working on his golf game. I do not know how others are handling this, but it has definitely made me re-look the 2009 season and see if maybe (just maybe) there are issues deeper than what the "numbers" are showing.

These are grown men we are talking about. They are paid very well to do a job. Money is not the only motivation. You have to want it more. Leadership and accountability drive you in that direction. Do we have a "Joey Porter" or "Jerome Bettis" that is providing that locker room leadership? Or are we just happy to be where we are? I just do not believe that the whole issue is about Xs and Os.

A great quote that sums it up...

"It's much harder to stay on the mountain top than to get to the mountain top."

Do we still have that competitive fire on this team? Who is providing it? Not sure. In the past, the passion was there, year in and year out. Did not see it in the team this year.

Just a thought. For all not interested in this (disjointed - unproven) thought process (or incoherent rambling), I would highly recommend the ever enlightening/entertaining "Fire Arians" or "Fire Lebeau" threads.

[papillon]

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Maybe I'm obtuse about the two pictures, but my take on it was that a bad rookie was in the playoffs and a good veteran quarterback was not and that pretty much summed up the season for the Steelers. The two pictures pretty much said, "this season just doesn't make sense in any fashion."

There was absolutely no comparison of the quarterbacks, only the irony (if you will) of a rookie who had a pretty bad season making the platyoffs and a two time Super Bowl champion quarterback not making the playoffs.

How did I do with my interpretation?

Pappy

Not bad. Your interpretation didn't make me want to punch myself in the face or drool. :P

And since you used the word "obtuse" in your post, I am contractually obligated to include a picture of Warden Norton (for all you Shawshank fans out there)



as well as some obtuse angles (for all you geometry fans out there)

I'm still doing this after this season of high expectation and pedestrian results. I wish I could stop doing because, I'm sure it won't be as painful once I can actually stop.

That 94 degree angle is getting close to being acute, but like the Steelers it didn't succeed in short yardage. :P

Pappy