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  • fordfixer
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 10922

    Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

    Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

    Pasquarelli By Len Pasquarelli
    ESPN.com
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    Steelers defenseGeorge Gojkovich/Getty ImagesAlthough the Steelers' defense ranks sixth in the league, it has been vulnerable this season -- especially in the fourth quarter.

    Under terms of a revamped stockholder model, nearly a dozen new partners of Pittsburgh Steelers chairman Dan Rooney and president Art Rooney II will have prized spots in the owner's box at Heinz Field for the 2010 season.

    They are almost certain to look down on a Steelers team that has undergone change on the field and the sideline.

    Only one season removed from a Super Bowl XLIII championship, the Steelers enter the final two games of the season a .500 team and unlikely to qualify for the playoffs for the first time since 2006. More important, however, Pittsburgh (7-7) appears to be a flawed club, one that is aging (particularly on defense) and requires some fresh parts and maybe fresher thinking.

    "Everybody probably understands in their hearts that there's going to be some change," acknowledged standout nose tackle Casey Hampton, for nine seasons the centerpiece of the Steelers' renowned 3-4 defense but a veteran expected to move on in free agency. "That's just the way it is."

    Hampton, 32, is part of a defense that began the season with starters who averaged 28.9 years of age, and five them are 31 or older. Only two starters for Sunday's matchup against Baltimore, linebackers LaMarr Woodley and Lawrence Timmons, are younger than 28. And it is a unit that has played a significant role in six defeats in which the Steelers led or were tied in the fourth quarter.

    Despite ranking sixth in the league in defense and first against the run, the Steelers have not been as dominant as in the past. Although their 40 sacks rate as the second most in the league, the Steelers have been unable to knock offenses off the field, and only one team has fewer interceptions than Pittsburgh's eight. Pittsburgh cornerbacks have zero interceptions.

    "We're accustomed to being [a defense] that closes out games," said free safety Ryan Clark, another veteran who might exit as an unrestricted free agent. "But that hasn't been the case this season."

    The absence of whirling dervish strong safety Troy Polamalu, around whose unique abilities renowned defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau constructs many of his schemes, has been cited for many of the unit's shortcomings. Polamalu will miss his 10th game Sunday because of a knee injury.

    But the failures reach beyond one man and one unit.

    Several stalwart players -- including Hampton, tailback Willie Parker and kicker Jeff Reed -- are likely to depart through free agency or management's choice. Special-teams coach Bob Ligashesky, whose unit has been deplorable and has surrendered four kickoff returns for touchdowns, could be replaced. Coach Mike Tomlin -- who declared weeks ago that Pittsburgh would "unleash hell" in December but whose team lost the first two games of the month -- must regain locker room confidence and control. During a five-game losing streak that scuttled a 6-2 start to the season, Tomlin threatened to make lineup changes. There were no significant maneuvers, however, until this week, when Tomlin benched starting cornerback William Gay.

    Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians has come under fire despite an attack that ranks eighth in the league. The offense is no longer the grind-it-out Steelers, with about 58 percent of the snaps pass plays.

    "It's probably hard for people to wrap their heads and their fingers around, but this offense is changing," said quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who last week threw for a franchise-record 503 yards against Green Bay. "It's not a run-it-first team anymore."

    Yet the problem is not that Pittsburgh hasn't entirely been able to run the ball at all, but rather that the Steelers haven't been able to run when they want to. And that is pretty much unthinkable for traditional Steelers fans.

    Not qualifying for the Super Bowl tournament is anathema to Steelers fans and the Rooney family. That's why, despite losing seven games by an average of just four points, there will be changes for 2010.

    Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #2
    Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

    4-3 defense is coming in 2010

    LDE-Lamar Woodley
    LDT-Aaron Smith
    RDT-Ziggy Hood
    RDE-Brett Kiesel

    OLB-Lawrence Timmons
    MLB-James Farrior (rookie will be drafted in first two rounds to understudy)
    OLB-James Harrison

    CB-Ike Taylor
    CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
    SS-Troy Polamalu
    FS-Keenan Lewis Or Taylor Mays (I hope)
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • Mister Pittsburgh
      Hall of Famer
      • Jul 2008
      • 3674

      #3
      Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

      Originally posted by Oviedo
      4-3 defense is coming in 2010

      LDE-Lamar Woodley
      LDT-Aaron Smith
      RDT-Ziggy Hood
      RDE-Brett Kiesel

      OLB-Lawrence Timmons
      MLB-James Farrior (rookie will be drafted in first two rounds to understudy)
      OLB-James Harrison

      CB-Ike Taylor
      CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
      SS-Troy Polamalu
      FS-Keenan Lewis Or Taylor Mays (I hope)

      CB-Ike Taylor
      CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
      SS-Taylor Mays (Rookie takes over at SS)
      FS-Troy Polamalu (Move him to FS to extend his career and keep him healthy)

      I don't like how the above article doesn't mention how although our offense is ranked 8th in yards, we are ranked 15th in points. In 2008 our offense was ranked 11th in yards and 20th in points. This shows me that Arians learned nothing in 2008 as far as how to score from the redzone. We struggled hard in the redzone and still do. His offense is pretty decent between the 20's but very average once we hit the redzone.

      Our offense is too inconsistant. We will go 3 and out for an entire half, sometimes 3 quarters of football.....and then score quick and dominate for bursts.
      @_Hellgrammite

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      • Oviedo
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 23824

        #4
        Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

        Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
        Originally posted by Oviedo
        4-3 defense is coming in 2010

        LDE-Lamar Woodley
        LDT-Aaron Smith
        RDT-Ziggy Hood
        RDE-Brett Kiesel

        OLB-Lawrence Timmons
        MLB-James Farrior (rookie will be drafted in first two rounds to understudy)
        OLB-James Harrison

        CB-Ike Taylor
        CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
        SS-Troy Polamalu
        FS-Keenan Lewis Or Taylor Mays (I hope)

        CB-Ike Taylor
        CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
        SS-Taylor Mays (Rookie takes over at SS)
        FS-Troy Polamalu (Move him to FS to extend his career and keep him healthy)

        I don't like how the above article doesn't mention how although our offense is ranked 8th in yards, we are ranked 15th in points. In 2008 our offense was ranked 11th in yards and 20th in points. This shows me that Arians learned nothing in 2008 as far as how to score from the redzone. We struggled hard in the redzone and still do. His offense is pretty decent between the 20's but very average once we hit the redzone.

        Our offense is too inconsistant. We will go 3 and out for an entire half, sometimes 3 quarters of football.....and then score quick and dominate for bursts.
        The ultimate move of Troy to FS probably won't happen next season but drafting Mays would give a perfect replacement to move to SS.

        If you are worried about the offense, what about someone who has the potential to make a "splash" play every time he touches the ball. CJ Spiller in Round 1?

        I'd still prefer Taylor Mays.
        "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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        • Mister Pittsburgh
          Hall of Famer
          • Jul 2008
          • 3674

          #5
          Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

          I think a scat back type RB could be had in the mid rounds if we scout for one and really study this years crop of RB. Not entirely sure if Spiller fits the scat type mold but I just couldn't see them dropping another first rounder on a RB.

          I am not entirely unhappy with our crop of RB even after Parker leaves. I would start Mendenhall and play him every down, mixing Moore in here and there to give him breathers. They brought Isaac Redman back and signed him to the practice squad so they must see something there. I think he ran with a lot of power in the preseason and didn't easily go down. If they get him on a good conditioning and lifting program he could be a real nice short yardage back to grind out some tough yards. He fell forward almost every carry he had in the preseason.

          They also have this RB Justin Vincent who they have kept around for a second straight year on the practice squad so he must be doing something right. I didn't see him play in college though so have no real opinion.

          If I were them I would draft a RB in the middle rounds and bring him in to camp to compete.

          Jeez.....just watched this. Would be damn tough to pass that up if it were sitting there but I think we need defense. Steelers know best though. They do a good job.

          [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wf0kC-w9lU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wf0kC-w9lU[/url]
          @_Hellgrammite

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          • papillon
            Legend
            • Mar 2008
            • 11340

            #6
            Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

            Here's how the Steelers will draft this year:

            Round 1: BPA
            Round 2: BPA
            Round 3: BPA
            Round 4: BPA
            Round 5: BPA
            Round 6: BPA
            Round 7:BPA

            UDFA - BPA

            There's a lot of precedent showing that I'm probably right.

            Pappy
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            3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
            4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
            5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
            7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

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            • Mister Pittsburgh
              Hall of Famer
              • Jul 2008
              • 3674

              #7
              Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

              [url="http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php"]http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php[/url]

              This mock has us going FS in the first and ILB in the second. I could live with that. Not sure on the players they have us taking though. I think we have a fairly young offense. Our line has played solid for the most part this season. I would like to get a much stouter center for the line. Hartwig isn't a horrible center but we could do a lot better. He couldn't hold Hartings jock, lets put it that way.
              @_Hellgrammite

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              • Shoe
                Hall of Famer
                • May 2008
                • 4044

                #8
                Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

                Originally posted by papillon
                Here's how the Steelers will draft this year:

                Round 1: BPA
                Round 2: BPA
                Round 3: BPA
                Round 4: BPA
                Round 5: BPA
                Round 6: BPA
                Round 7:BPA

                UDFA - BPA

                There's a lot of precedent showing that I'm probably right.

                Pappy
                I agree with the Pap's intricate draft strategy.
                I wasn't hired for my disposition.

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                • Jooser
                  Legend
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 5102

                  #9
                  Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

                  Originally posted by papillon
                  Here's how the Steelers will draft this year:

                  Round 1: BPA
                  Round 2: BPA
                  Round 3: BPA
                  Round 4: BPA
                  Round 5: BPA
                  Round 6: BPA
                  Round 7:BPA

                  UDFA - BPA

                  There's a lot of precedent showing that I'm probably right.

                  Pappy

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                  • SteelTorch
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1361

                    #10
                    Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    4-3 defense is coming in 2010

                    LDE-Lamar Woodley
                    LDT-Aaron Smith
                    RDT-Ziggy Hood
                    RDE-Brett Kiesel

                    OLB-Lawrence Timmons
                    MLB-James Farrior (rookie will be drafted in first two rounds to understudy)
                    OLB-James Harrison

                    CB-Ike Taylor
                    CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
                    SS-Troy Polamalu
                    FS-Keenan Lewis Or Taylor Mays (I hope)
                    You're right, going to a 4-3 is going to solve all our defense's problems. It's going to make our linemen controll the LoS, our cornerbacks cover better and catch interceptions, and our linebackers get more pressure.

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                    • Jooser
                      Legend
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 5102

                      #11
                      Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

                      Just get rid of all the idiots.

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                      • Lebsteel
                        Pro Bowler
                        • May 2008
                        • 1007

                        #12
                        Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

                        Originally posted by SteelTorch
                        Originally posted by Oviedo
                        4-3 defense is coming in 2010

                        LDE-Lamar Woodley
                        LDT-Aaron Smith
                        RDT-Ziggy Hood
                        RDE-Brett Kiesel

                        OLB-Lawrence Timmons
                        MLB-James Farrior (rookie will be drafted in first two rounds to understudy)
                        OLB-James Harrison

                        CB-Ike Taylor
                        CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
                        SS-Troy Polamalu
                        FS-Keenan Lewis Or Taylor Mays (I hope)
                        You're right, going to a 4-3 is going to solve all our defense's problems. It's going to make our linemen controll the LoS, our cornerbacks cover better and catch interceptions, and our linebackers get more pressure.

                        Torch, the 4-3 is not the ultimate solution for our defensive woes, as you so sarcastically pointed out, but it is Tomlin's preferred defense AND it may allow some of our younger players to play their natural positions. Timmons would play OLB, Woodley at DE, and Hood at DT. These three are the future of our Defense and it makes sense to utilize them at a position where they can excel.
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                        • Oviedo
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 23824

                          #13
                          Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

                          Originally posted by Lebsteel
                          Originally posted by SteelTorch
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          4-3 defense is coming in 2010

                          LDE-Lamar Woodley
                          LDT-Aaron Smith
                          RDT-Ziggy Hood
                          RDE-Brett Kiesel

                          OLB-Lawrence Timmons
                          MLB-James Farrior (rookie will be drafted in first two rounds to understudy)
                          OLB-James Harrison

                          CB-Ike Taylor
                          CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
                          SS-Troy Polamalu
                          FS-Keenan Lewis Or Taylor Mays (I hope)
                          You're right, going to a 4-3 is going to solve all our defense's problems. It's going to make our linemen controll the LoS, our cornerbacks cover better and catch interceptions, and our linebackers get more pressure.

                          Torch, the 4-3 is not the ultimate solution for our defensive woes, as you so sarcastically pointed out, but it is Tomlin's preferred defense AND it may allow some of our younger players to play their natural positions. Timmons would play OLB, Woodley at DE, and Hood at DT. These three are the future of our Defense and it makes sense to utilize them at a position where they can excel.
                          There you go using rational arguments and logic when emotionalism is called for.

                          You hit the nail on the head why I think CONSIDERING the 4-3 should be on the table. It not only suits many of the young players we have but also IMO gets the next generation of young players into the mix sooner. It is still about the looks and schemes you run out of the 4-3 but you would in many cases eliminate the one to two year "redshirt" our version of the 3-4 seems to require.
                          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                          • steelblood
                            Hall of Famer
                            • May 2008
                            • 4166

                            #14
                            Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

                            Originally posted by Oviedo
                            Originally posted by Lebsteel
                            Originally posted by SteelTorch
                            Originally posted by Oviedo
                            4-3 defense is coming in 2010

                            LDE-Lamar Woodley
                            LDT-Aaron Smith
                            RDT-Ziggy Hood
                            RDE-Brett Kiesel

                            OLB-Lawrence Timmons
                            MLB-James Farrior (rookie will be drafted in first two rounds to understudy)
                            OLB-James Harrison

                            CB-Ike Taylor
                            CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
                            SS-Troy Polamalu
                            FS-Keenan Lewis Or Taylor Mays (I hope)
                            You're right, going to a 4-3 is going to solve all our defense's problems. It's going to make our linemen controll the LoS, our cornerbacks cover better and catch interceptions, and our linebackers get more pressure.

                            Torch, the 4-3 is not the ultimate solution for our defensive woes, as you so sarcastically pointed out, but it is Tomlin's preferred defense AND it may allow some of our younger players to play their natural positions. Timmons would play OLB, Woodley at DE, and Hood at DT. These three are the future of our Defense and it makes sense to utilize them at a position where they can excel.
                            There you go using rational arguments and logic when emotionalism is called for.

                            You hit the nail on the head why I think CONSIDERING the 4-3 should be on the table. It not only suits many of the young players we have but also IMO gets the next generation of young players into the mix sooner. It is still about the looks and schemes you run out of the 4-3 but you would in many cases eliminate the one to two year "redshirt" our version of the 3-4 seems to require.
                            I think this is a very good argument.

                            Still, I think we'd need to add another run stopping DT and a really disruptive pass rushing DE to be effective.

                            Also, I think Harrison would need to move to DE in nickel and dime situations.
                            Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                            • Lebsteel
                              Pro Bowler
                              • May 2008
                              • 1007

                              #15
                              Re: Expect changes for Steelers in 2010

                              Originally posted by steelblood
                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              Originally posted by Lebsteel
                              Originally posted by SteelTorch
                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              4-3 defense is coming in 2010

                              LDE-Lamar Woodley
                              LDT-Aaron Smith
                              RDT-Ziggy Hood
                              RDE-Brett Kiesel

                              OLB-Lawrence Timmons
                              MLB-James Farrior (rookie will be drafted in first two rounds to understudy)
                              OLB-James Harrison

                              CB-Ike Taylor
                              CB-Joe Burnett or Rookie/Free Agent
                              SS-Troy Polamalu
                              FS-Keenan Lewis Or Taylor Mays (I hope)
                              You're right, going to a 4-3 is going to solve all our defense's problems. It's going to make our linemen controll the LoS, our cornerbacks cover better and catch interceptions, and our linebackers get more pressure.

                              Torch, the 4-3 is not the ultimate solution for our defensive woes, as you so sarcastically pointed out, but it is Tomlin's preferred defense AND it may allow some of our younger players to play their natural positions. Timmons would play OLB, Woodley at DE, and Hood at DT. These three are the future of our Defense and it makes sense to utilize them at a position where they can excel.
                              There you go using rational arguments and logic when emotionalism is called for.

                              You hit the nail on the head why I think CONSIDERING the 4-3 should be on the table. It not only suits many of the young players we have but also IMO gets the next generation of young players into the mix sooner. It is still about the looks and schemes you run out of the 4-3 but you would in many cases eliminate the one to two year "redshirt" our version of the 3-4 seems to require.
                              I think this is a very good argument.

                              Still, I think we'd need to add another run stopping DT and a really disruptive pass rushing DE to be effective.

                              Also, I think Harrison would need to move to DE in nickel and dime situations.
                              That's why I've been thinking someone like Jerry Hughes, DE TCU or Brandon Graham, DE Michigan may be on our first round radar. Both are very disruptive pass rushers and would fit the mold of a 4-3 DE.
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