Does that call warrent?

[Snatch98]

Re: Does that call warrent?

I'm glad I'm not alone. I didn't read anything but the first post before making my own. I thought it was a great call the ONLY reason Big Ben had a chance to win the game. I'll take Big Ben when he's on with 2 minutes left and a timeout ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Tomlin gave us a chance to win. Brilliant call is correct.

[Starlifter]

Re: Does that call warrent?

let's also remember our defense had to stop them completely. all GB needed was a FG. yeah, no shock they scored 6 but I'm sure Tomlin was thinking to let them get their 3 quick and that would give us a couple of minutes to get back in FG range to win it.

[costanza2k1]

Re: Does that call warrent?

The call rocked...when you have a sorry defense the Packers would've driven all the way down (just like every other game we lost in the last seconds this year) and scored leaving us no time. If we recover great if not we still have time to initiate and execute Big Ben's magic. Bow down people

[brothervad]

Re: Does that call warrent?

Bvad how was it a bad call if we lost 5 games due to the D and we gave up countless 3rd and longs and 14 points in the 4th today?

If Ike waits for one more yard it's genius. I really do not like Ike this year.

Felt, what I am saying, is in normal situations it is a horrible call--but if you read my post you will see that my thoughts on this are that Tomlin had little choice.

I believe Tomlin has no faith in the D, and it's apparent that they have no adjustments to make. They cannot win with this D having the ball.

But under normal circumstance being up 2, giving a high potent offense 1/2 the field to work on, is not a good call.

Not sure if I mistated my post, or if you are mis-reading it.

brothervad

[Snatch98]

Re: Onside kick was a brilliant call...

HAHA.

I never thought of it like that, but you are probably right. You still can't make that call though IMO.

It's like hitting a hard 17 in blackjack--you just can't do it man.

What? It was the ONLY call to make at that point and one no one thought of but Tomlin and his coaching staff. If he doesn't kick it onside Ben has less time to do what Ben does best and thats win football games. You CAN'T say you CAN'T make that call when that call allowed us to WIN THE GAME. Period. It's unarguable if you ask me. The defense wasn't stopping anyone, better stated the defensive secondary. Tomlin gave ben the time he needed. End of story.

[brothervad]

Re: Does that call warrent?

Should we fire bad word Lebeau cause his defense has sucked all year? if you say no because of his body of work then you have to provide the same answer for Tomlin

What a ridiculous notion.

Tomlin has coached for three years. He inherited a team that missed the playoffs the year before his arrival and has taken that team to two playoff appearances and a Super Bowl win.

Just like Lebeau, Tomlin's body of work speaks for itself.

so a first year playoff and 2nd year SB victory mean nothing for Tomlin huh? Yeah nothing on gameday during the past 2 seasons can be attributed to Tomlin at all.

My point is you don't fire a dude for one bad call....and the truth is given the D it's not a ridiculous as you want to make it.

brothervad

[msp26505]

Re: Does that call warrent?

Should we fire bad word Lebeau cause his defense has sucked all year? if you say no because of his body of work then you have to provide the same answer for Tomlin

What a ridiculous notion.

Tomlin has coached for three years. He inherited a team that missed the playoffs the year before his arrival and has taken that team to two playoff appearances and a Super Bowl win.

Just like Lebeau, Tomlin's body of work speaks for itself.

so a first year playoff and 2nd year SB victory mean nothing for Tomlin huh? Yeah nothing on gameday during the past 2 seasons can be attributed to Tomlin at all.

My point is you don't fire a dude for one bad call....and the truth is given the D it's not a ridiculous as you want to make it.

brothervad

Somewhere along the line I think we got our signals crossed.

I'm saying that Tomlin in no way, shape or form deserves to be fired.

Losing makes us all a little crazy.

[Flasteel]

Re: Onside kick was a brilliant call...

I was going to start this thread myself.

It was a desperate move because Tomlin (along with every person watching) knew that there was ZERO chance that this sieve of a defense would keep the Packers from at least kicking a field goal.

At least this way, the offense got the ball back. Had they kicked deep, the Packers would have had the ball for the rest of the game and kicked the game winner as time expired.

The only problem is that Ike Taylor has an IQ of about 70. If he waits another half second, he recovers it past the 40.

When Cowher (and by Cowher, I mean Bobby April) did it in SB XXX, it was a great call.

The announcers haven't followed the Steelers enough to understand the depth of the problems on the Steeler defense.

The onside kick call won the game because it bought us time.

Almost word for word what I contemplated posting on the way home. Buck had zero idea of how off-base he was in questioning the call repeatedly. It was the only move we could have made, 'cause Green Bat was going to score no matter what.

It must be stated how pathetically stupid Ike Taylor is however. He's practically staring at the yard strip he needs to get to and decides to grab the ball instead of hit the guy moving in to cover it...simply retarded. I'm all for getting rid of both he and Gay in the offseason.

[Snatch98]

Re: Onside kick was a brilliant call...

HAHA.

I never thought of it like that, but you are probably right. You still can't make that call though IMO.

It's like hitting a hard 17 in blackjack--you just can't do it man.

What? It was the ONLY call to make at that point and one no one thought of but Tomlin and his coaching staff. If he doesn't kick it onside Ben has less time to do what Ben does best and thats win football games. You CAN'T say you CAN'T make that call when that call allowed us to WIN THE GAME. Period. It's unarguable if you ask me. The defense wasn't stopping anyone, better stated the defensive secondary. Tomlin gave ben the time he needed. End of story.

[msp26505]

Re: Does that call warrent?

Should we fire bad word Lebeau cause his defense has sucked all year? if you say no because of his body of work then you have to provide the same answer for Tomlin

What a ridiculous notion.

Tomlin has coached for three years. He inherited a team that missed the playoffs the year before his arrival and has taken that team to two playoff appearances and a Super Bowl win.

Just like Lebeau, Tomlin's body of work speaks for itself.

so a first year playoff and 2nd year SB victory mean nothing for Tomlin huh? Yeah nothing on gameday during the past 2 seasons can be attributed to Tomlin at all.

My point is you don't fire a dude for one bad call....and the truth is given the D it's not a ridiculous as you want to make it.

brothervad

Somewhere along the line I think we got our signals crossed.

I'm saying that Tomlin in no way, shape or form deserves to be fired.

Losing makes us all a little crazy.

[Wolfhound45]

Re: Does that call warrent?

Seriously, considering the past five weeks, what would you prefer?

1 - Our defense on the field, with 3:58 left, protecting a two point lead? Keep in mind, we are not even sure what kind of field position the Packers would have had even if we had kicked it away.

2 - Our offense on the field, down by one (best case scenario) or six (worst case scenario) with 2:06 and two timeouts.

The choice is obvious.

[kindlecatsb'ng]

Re: Onside kick was a brilliant call...

casey hampton said the D knew that Tomlin didn't think they could contain GB when calling this play in the postgame interview.

Happy Holidays now!

[brothervad]

Re: Does that call warrent?

Should we fire bad word Lebeau cause his defense has sucked all year? if you say no because of his body of work then you have to provide the same answer for Tomlin

What a ridiculous notion.

Tomlin has coached for three years. He inherited a team that missed the playoffs the year before his arrival and has taken that team to two playoff appearances and a Super Bowl win.

Just like Lebeau, Tomlin's body of work speaks for itself.

so a first year playoff and 2nd year SB victory mean nothing for Tomlin huh? Yeah nothing on gameday during the past 2 seasons can be attributed to Tomlin at all.

My point is you don't fire a dude for one bad call....and the truth is given the D it's not a ridiculous as you want to make it.

brothervad

Somewhere along the line I think we got our signals crossed.

I'm saying that Tomlin in no way, shape or form deserves to be fired.

Losing makes us all a little crazy.

It's all good...I was just saying anyone who says you should fire Tomlin...should at least be consistent. I am not one of those guys, however.

brothervad

[RussBII]

Re: Onside kick was a brilliant call...

casey hampton said the D knew that Tomlin didn't think they could contain GB when calling this play in the postgame interview.

Happy Holidays now!

In no way can the defense be "offended" at this call. Five 4th quarter leads lost (6 if you count the fact that we had two leads on the raiders.) The defense, specifically the secondary is _not_, repeat _not_, getting the job done.

I still think it might be a conditioning issue.

[DukieBoy]

Re: Does that call warrent?

By quarter in games played this year, we have given up these points, by my count:

1st: 42
2nd: 65
3rd: 49
4th (+OT): 124

Some of the points are on the ST's, and a little on the O, of course. But our D has been about helpless in some 4th quarters, gave up 22 in the 4th, including the short field after the onsides kickoff, had no answer whatsoever to cover Finley.

I liked the on-sides kick call. I believe the Pack would have scored, gone ahead, and we'd have no time to respond. Our O was dominating their D, so I favored giving the O the best chance we would have to win the game, whether by recovering the onsides kick and scoring again, or by having some time left on the clock after the Pack's possession.