Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

[NWNewell]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

He threw it as far as he could.

The problem is not throwing it soon enough. If Wallace is even with his man he has him beat. Ben needs to learn to trust that. If he throws that ball 15 yards sooner then Wallace catches it in stride. Instead he waits until Wallace has his man beat by 3 steps...which means Wallace is too far down the field for Ben to hit him in stride.

why are you criticizing Ben after a TD pass?

Ben is going to be Ben.. just enjoy it.

Folks just trying to kick the fly **** out of the pepper, my friend.

Silly when you can see a big old bear crap if you look in another location, I agree.

[Northern_Blitz]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

He threw it as far as he could.

The problem is not throwing it soon enough. If Wallace is even with his man he has him beat. Ben needs to learn to trust that. If he throws that ball 15 yards sooner then Wallace catches it in stride. Instead he waits until Wallace has his man beat by 3 steps...which means Wallace is too far down the field for Ben to hit him in stride.

I think that this is often true. But, I don't think it was the case on this play.

The play was a designed roll out. I didn't record the game, but it looked to me like Ben threw it as soon as he had rolled out.

The "problem" is Wallace is just so fast, he'd already gotten to the edge of Ben's range. People are saying that he threw it with mostly arm. If that's true, maybe part of the reason he didn't set as well as he could have. If he take the time to set, then is Wallace another 15 - 20 yards down field?

[Steeler Mafia]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

"Ben doesn't underthrow his receivers"

[flippy]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

Ben's just now a hit your receiver in stride kind of QB. But he's very accurate at getting the ball downfield in large chunks. I can live with the kind of QB he is.

I'd just like to see him avoid taking sacks for losses in certain situations and get rid of the ball better. The Cleveland game is a great example, he gets sacked 8 times, yet his improv didn't add more to that game to make up for those sacks.

[NWNewell]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

Ben's just now a hit your receiver in stride kind of QB. But he's very accurate at getting the ball downfield in large chunks. I can live with the kind of QB he is.

I'd just like to see him avoid taking sacks for losses in certain situations and get rid of the ball better.

I agree... to some extent. The only time I'd like to see him get ride of the ball quicker is when we're bairly in field goal range. I can live with the sacks, especially on 3rd down when if we don't convert we are punting either way. But it really hurts when it turns a 35-40 yard FG try into a 45-50 yarder. Those are the ones that really bother me.

Other than that... I'll take the trade off we get from that double edged sword.

[cruzer8]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

[quote=Northern_Blitz]

He threw it as far as he could.

The problem is not throwing it soon enough. If Wallace is even with his man he has him beat. Ben needs to learn to trust that. If he throws that ball 15 yards sooner then Wallace catches it in stride. Instead he waits until Wallace has his man beat by 3 steps...which means Wallace is too far down the field for Ben to hit him in stride.

I think that this is often true. But, I don't think it was the case on this play.

The play was a designed roll out. I didn't record the game, but it looked to me like Ben threw it as soon as he had rolled out.

The "problem" is Wallace is just so fast, he'd already gotten to the edge of Ben's range. People are saying that he threw it with mostly arm. If that's true, maybe part of the reason he didn't set as well as he could have. If he take the time to set, then is Wallace another 15 - 20 yards down field?[/quote:13r3ee6w]

It absolutely was the case. Look at the play again. Ben waits until Wallace is past his man before he throws it.

[feltdizz]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

How can Ben throw the deep ball sooner if fans are OK with him holding the ball to make plays?

I'm joking... But it's a chicken or the egg scenario... He holds the ball to make plays but he should throw it sooner...lol

[stlrz d]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

How can Ben throw the deep ball sooner if fans are OK with him holding the ball to make plays?

I'm joking... But it's a chicken or the egg scenario... He holds the ball to make plays but he should throw it sooner...lol

Some people will just never get it.

For the very last time, there is a HUGE difference between "throw the ball sooner so you don't take a sack...or break out of the sack and make a play" and "throw the ball sooner to a deep WR who is open so it hits him in stride".

el oh el.



ps - you're embarrassing yourself.

[feltdizz]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

How can Ben throw the deep ball sooner if fans are OK with him holding the ball to make plays?

I'm joking... But it's a chicken or the egg scenario... He holds the ball to make plays but he should throw it sooner...lol

Some people will just never get it.

For the very last time, there is a HUGE difference between "throw the ball sooner so you don't take a sack...or break out of the sack and make a play" and "throw the ball sooner to a deep WR who is open so it hits him in stride".

el oh el.



Haha... Let Ben be Ben... why are you trying to change him? he throws the deep ball late... holds onto the ball to extend plays... and takes sacks trying to make plays.

Why fix what isn't broken right? When he stops throwing the deep ball late he won't be Ben...

In every other instance you tend to defend the way he plays but your one suggestion is right and every other one is wrong. I'm messing with you D because you don't see it. You turn my suggestion for throwing a few passes away.. usually posted after a 5 sack loss or an 8 sack loss and turn it into totally transforming Ben as a QB amd wanting him to throw passes away like a scared sissy.

I'm done messing with you. Ben played great. Go Steelers.

ps - you're embarrassing yourself.

[SidSmythe]

Re: Am I too negative? ... that first "long" ball by Ben today

That was a play action play. It's more of a timing issue.
Ben waits a tad too long and Wallace isn't patient w/ his route. He should be selling the run and w/ his speed he shouldn't have a problem getting downfield.