Will LeBeau be held accountable?

[brothervad]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

I just don't think Lebeau suddenly lost it after countless years of mastery folks...

It's this simple...there are glaring holes on this Defense...holes that can be hidden when Troy is healthy.

It's near the end of the line for a great deal of the Steelers D we have known for years

The secondary is pathetic...Three games this year a CB or Safety had a chance for a pick that would've put the nail in the coffin for drives that ultimately undid our chances.

Think about it...the difference between 6-6 and 9-3 are three missed picks on 4th Quarter drives. Is that Lebeau? No it's personell that can't execute.

think about it:
Townsend (Done)
Hampton ( likely gone)
Clark ( likely gone)
Aaron Smith (old)
Brett Keisel (old)
James Farrior (old)
Ike (bad)
Gay (bad)

I am not saying Smith and Keisel, Farrior are bad but I believe these positions will need addressed next year if you are going to do it through the draft. (I do think Farrior thought leading the team in tackles, is now on the decline).

think about it 7 of the 11 starting positions are what I consider weak or soon to be weak spots.

My point is Lebeau hasn't lost a thing. The Defense is going to need retooling and that may mean next season.

just my .02

brothervad

[williar]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

LeBeau is a great coach. It's just really sad that this might be what he's remembered for if it's his last season.

Same could be said for Bill Cowher & his last season here. It sucks when a 'legend', if you will, is either outdone or starts to lose his 'magic'.

After watching Baltimore beat the Steelers Chadman couldn't help but wonder why Lardarius Webb, from tiny little Nicholls St, is able to start, and play well, as a rookie, while Keenan Lewis, Joe Burnett, William Gay, Bryant McFadden, Ryan Mundy etc are unable to perform at a starting level or see the field for any real sustainable amount of time early in their careers. Some of you will throw the old "Steelers scheme is so complex" line at Chadman, but maybe that, in itself, is the issue. Maybe the Steelers need to 'dumb it down' in order to get the better athletes on the field, earlier. Maybe, just maybe, Coach LeBeau needs to work with what talent he has available- create schemes that suit those players & put them in positions to be able to contribute, instead of forcing players to suit his scheme?

Just throwing it out there..

Totally agree! It seems like our defense does too much thinking instead of reacting. Whatever overcomplicated schemes Lebeau has cooked up, they are not working. Honestly, I hope Lebeau retires, and Arians is fired. We need to clean house after this disaster of a season.

[SteelCrazy]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

LeBeau is fine. We still have one of the best D's in the league. 4th quarter melt downs is more of a reflection on the head coach.

[LouSteel]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

LeBeau is fine. We still have one of the best D's in the league.

Oh goody, we're paper champions

Please tell me you don't actually believe that this D is "one of the best in the league."

[papillon]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

This thread is all about holding players and coaches accountable. Can someone please explain to me what that means?

Okay, Tomlin holds Lebeau accountable for the defensive collapse again, then what? fire him? demote him? fine him? what?

Okay, Tomlin holds Arians accountable for red zone failures in this game, then what? fire him? demote him? fine him? what?

Art Rooney II holds Tomlin accountable, then what? fire him? fine him? give him a timeout? what?

It's easy to say, but actually doing it is another thing. The Steelers need to regroup, prepare for Cleveland and win a football game. Then take 10 days off, get Troy back and let the chips fall for the last three games. Holding people accountable would do nothing except cause a bigger train wreck.

Pappy

[SteelTorch]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

This thread is all about holding players and coaches accountable. Can someone please explain to me what that means?

Okay, Tomlin holds Lebeau accountable for the defensive collapse again, then what? fire him? demote him? fine him? what?

Okay, Tomlin holds Arians accountable for red zone failures in this game, then what? fire him? demote him? fine him? what?

Art Rooney II holds Tomlin accountable, then what? fire him? fine him? give him a timeout? what?

It's easy to say, but actually doing it is another thing. The Steelers need to regroup, prepare for Cleveland and win a football game. Then take 10 days off, get Troy back and let the chips fall for the last three games. Holding people accountable would do nothing except cause a bigger train wreck.

Pappy

I'm referring to the fans, not the coaches or the owners. I said in my post that the fans blamed Arians for offensive woes, and I'm merely wondering if we are willing to do the same with D1ck LeBeau. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but it seems people around here are quick to point fingers at Tomlin and Arians, but not at him. I see that as a double standard.

[NWNewell]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

When our offense struggled last season and the season before, Bruce Arians was thrown under the bus repeatedly, and for good reason. Now, we are now at a four game losing streak, and the opposite seems to be the problem.

We have:

A secondary that can't cover.
Cornerbacks who can't get interceptions.
A line that can't stop the run.
Linebackers who repeatedly miss tackles (I'm looking at you, Farrior)
A defense as a whole that becomes a sieve in the fourth quarter, and gives up crucial drives at the worst moments.

What I want to know is: will fans be fair and hold bad word LeBeau accountable? Even Tomlin is getting more criticism than this guy right now. Seems like a double standard to me. Granted, I know execution is something that is up to the players, but really, this defense is nowhere near what it should be.

And don't even try to pin this one on the offense. Granted, they made mistakes too. But 24 points is 24 points, and that should have been enough to win against the lowly Raiders.

Not at the top of my list of problems.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

The thing that concerns me is this is the 3rd time it was nationally reported that the plays got in late or there was confusion. Now, I fail to believe that they would be the only 3 times a play was late getting in. All on hurry up. So if this happens more in the game and DL is making the play calls........

I'm just saying.

There was clear confusion on the plays referenced. I'm not going to throw DL under the bus because he has meant everything to the Steelers and will be a HOF player...But there comes a time in a coaches career...Where things don't come to you as quickly. Being around football...A great football mind needs to a decisive football mind that makes a decision within seconds. I can't believe this thought came into my head again on Sunday. But evidence is hard to look away from. We haven't heard problem with Farrior's helmet or radios were down...We heard the play didn't get to everyone. That means there was a delay from the sideline. I haven't said anything in the past but football knowledge leads me to believe what my eyes see. 4th quarter collapses out of hurry up and calls not getting to the players adds up to something to me. When DL can call plays based on down & distance he looks to be unstoppable. Add in the urgency factor being dictated by the offense...The secondary seems to collapse. The players love & respect DL as well as myself. He is great and always will be in my mind....BUT...To no fault of DL...The mind doesn't fire at the same rate forever! Forgive me for saying that DL..........

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

The mind doesn't fire at the same rate forever! Forgive me for saying that DL..........

Don't worry...about 30 seconds after LeBeau reads this post, he'll forget what you said.

[JTP53609]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

somehow we rank in the top 5 in defense, i dont know how, but that is why stats are misleading, this is the worst steeler defense i have seen in a long time..not so much the outside linbackers, but the secondary is 90% of the problem and Im sorry but like i said all year, james farrior has not lost a step, he has lost about 2 steps, (no shame though)....

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

The mind doesn't fire at the same rate forever! Forgive me for saying that DL..........

Don't worry...about 30 seconds after LeBeau reads this post, he'll forget what you said.

Good one!

[NWNewell]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

somehow we rank in the top 5 in defense, i dont know how, but that is why stats are misleading, this is the worst steeler defense i have seen in a long time..not so much the outside linbackers, but the secondary is 90% of the problem and Im sorry but like i said all year, james farrior has not lost a step, he has lost about 2 steps, (no shame though)....

Well, the stats don't lie. Overall, they are still very good. But situationally, they suffer severely in some areas, i.e. hurry-up, the secondary, nickle & dime packages. When do those short comings usually come into play? Near the end of the game when leading? When does the defense get torched??

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

The mind doesn't fire at the same rate forever! Forgive me for saying that DL..........

Don't worry...about 30 seconds after LeBeau reads this post, he'll forget what you said.

LeBeau has forgotten more about playing defense than you will ever know. Of course, I'm not sure if that is a compliment or an insult toward LeBeau.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

When our offense struggled last season and the season before, Bruce Arians was thrown under the bus repeatedly, and for good reason. Now, we are now at a four game losing streak, and the opposite seems to be the problem.

We have:

A secondary that can't cover.
Cornerbacks who can't get interceptions.
A line that can't stop the run.
Linebackers who repeatedly miss tackles (I'm looking at you, Farrior)
A defense as a whole that becomes a sieve in the fourth quarter, and gives up crucial drives at the worst moments.

What I want to know is: will fans be fair and hold bad word LeBeau accountable? Even Tomlin is getting more criticism than this guy right now. Seems like a double standard to me. Granted, I know execution is something that is up to the players, but really, this defense is nowhere near what it should be.

And don't even try to pin this one on the offense. Granted, they made mistakes too. But 24 points is 24 points, and that should have been enough to win against the lowly Raiders.

Not at the top of my list of problems.

Yeah, that "a line that can't stop the run" note confused me. We are leading the league in rush defense (77.8 rushing yards allowed per game, which is even better than the 80.2 rushing yards allowed per game last year, which was second in the league). I agree that our pass defense is pathetic right now, but you can't say we aren't able to stop the run!

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Will LeBeau be held accountable?

I just don't think Lebeau suddenly lost it after countless years of mastery folks...

It's this simple...there are glaring holes on this Defense...holes that can be hidden when Troy is healthy.

It's near the end of the line for a great deal of the Steelers D we have known for years

The secondary is pathetic...Three games this year a CB or Safety had a chance for a pick that would've put the nail in the coffin for drives that ultimately undid our chances.

Think about it...the difference between 6-6 and 9-3 are three missed picks on 4th Quarter drives. Is that Lebeau? No it's personell that can't execute.

think about it:
Townsend (Done)
Hampton ( likely gone)
Clark ( likely gone)
Aaron Smith (old)
Brett Keisel (old)
James Farrior (old)
Ike (bad)
Gay (bad)

I am not saying Smith and Keisel, Farrior are bad but I believe these positions will need addressed next year if you are going to do it through the draft. (I do think Farrior thought leading the team in tackles, is now on the decline).

think about it 7 of the 11 starting positions are what I consider weak or soon to be weak spots.

My point is Lebeau hasn't lost a thing. The Defense is going to need retooling and that may mean next season.

just my .02

brothervad

I don't think that you can say that Keisel is old. He's 31, but this is only his 6th season as a starter (James Harrison is 31 and in his 6th season as a starter, but you didn't call him old). And I don't think you can call Ike bad. The TD he gave up in this game was an egregious error (much like the TD he gave up to Marvin Harrison in 2005), but he is otherwise a solid corner (with the notable exception of his hands, as we are all painfully aware). We also already have a potential young replacement for Aaron Smith (Hood) and possible young replacements for Gay (Burnett or Lewis). I think the only true pressing "needs" that we have are at NT and FS, particularly if Hampton and/or Clark is not re-signed. We could use some depth at the other positions, but it is not as dire as you make it sound.