Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

[brothervad]

It's time to be a little less relying on your talent and starting to use your head.

You are in the red zone....you have all day in the pocket. If nothing is there throw it away.

come away with at least 3 points and a TD lead to end a half (in which the Raiders get the ball first).

Sorry, it's time for Ben to start using his head a little more.

brothervad

[feltdizz]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

but this is who he is... and we have to take the good with the bad right? I'm joking.. I see no reason why Ben can't "be Ben" and take what the D gives him..

it's not 4th down in OT with no time left...

rewatch that play and look at the RB wide open with 20 yards to run.. Ben hates throwing short unless he is about to get sacked.

[LordVile]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

a bleeding shame... using his head means diving head first for 1st downs.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

but this is who he is... and we have to take the good with the bad right? I'm joking.. I see no reason why Ben can't "be Ben" and take what the D gives him..

it's not 4th down in OT with no time left...

rewatch that play and look at the RB wide open with 20 yards to run.. Ben hates throwing short unless he is about to get sacked.

what play? the INT?

MeMo and miller stood in to block, wallace was coming around on the fake end around

holmes and were out in patterns

[Scarletfire1970]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

Anyone complaining about Ben after that game needs their head examined.

He played a great game. He did everything he could to win that game and we should have won it.

It is the defense that should be apologizing to Ben and from what I understand they did just that after the game.

[NWNewell]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

Anyone complaining about Ben after that game needs their head examined.

He played a great game. He did everything he could to win that game and we should have won it.

It is the defense that should be apologizing to Ben and from what I understand they did just that after the game.

As much as I hate that INT and coming away with nothing in the redzone, I'd have to pretty much agree.

Ben is one of the last people to blame for this lose. When the defense couldn't hang onto a 4 point lead in the 4th quarter, Ben and the offense gave them another chance.... and ANOTHER chance. I wish they could have been more efficient all day. But that rarely happens. Ben and the offense gave them opportunities to win this game... just like they have most games.

[Scarletfire1970]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

Anyone complaining about Ben after that game needs their head examined.

He played a great game. He did everything he could to win that game and we should have won it.

It is the defense that should be apologizing to Ben and from what I understand they did just that after the game.

As much as I hate that INT and coming away with nothing in the redzone, I'd have to pretty much agree.

Ben is one of the last people to blame for this lose. When the defense couldn't hang onto a 4 point lead in the 4th quarter, Ben and the offense gave them another chance.... and ANOTHER chance. I wish they could have been more efficient all day. But that rarely happens. Ben and the offense gave them opportunities to win this game... just like they have most games.

24 points really ought to be enough to beat the Oakland Raiders.

[frankthetank1]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

ben is one of the few players that are exempt in the blame game imo. ben has been great this season. he has had a much better season this year than last. one bad throw out of how many on sunday? ben doesnt play defense either.

[JTP53609]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

he makes plays out of nothing and everyone is on his nuts, than when he does try to make something out of nothing he is being stupid for not throwing it away....

I agree that there is at least one throw he makes a game where your like "come on Ben, what are you doing" but the other 98% of the throws are absolute money balls. The way he played last week was enough to win, yea he did make a pretty boneheaded throw inside the redzone, but he was flawless through out and he was not playing in the secondary, blame someone else

[brothervad]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

comment made in-game before the collapse, but I stand by the statement.

I will not deny that Ben is the least of our concerns, but he needs to start using his head more.

hey if you disagree with this, then you also disagree with Tomlin. In his PC, he stated pointed to points left out there.

first with the pick in the redzone and then with the sack while in FG range.

In a game that was decided by 3 points...those plays were big.

The D is struggling...everyone knows it...that means the O needs to grab points where it can.

Forcing a ball or taking a sack can be the difference in a "W" or an "L".

Again, I think Ben is a great talent, but a lot of folks want to put him in the Manning/Brady level. All I am saying is to get there the man needs to start using his football IQ a bit more.

brothervad

[JTP53609]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

going for it on 4th and inches with your qb who was just out the week before with a concussion is also left points on the board, what is really funny is how the raiders pick up fourth and inches and we do not...

[NWNewell]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

comment made in-game before the collapse, but I stand by the statement.

I will not deny that Ben is the least of our concerns, but he needs to start using his head more.

hey if you disagree with this, then you also disagree with Tomlin. In his PC, he stated pointed to points left out there.

first with the pick in the redzone and then with the sack while in FG range.

In a game that was decided by 3 points...those plays were big.

The D is struggling...everyone knows it...that means the O needs to grab points where it can.

Forcing a ball or taking a sack can be the difference in a "W" or an "L".

Again, I think Ben is a great talent, but a lot of folks want to put him in the Manning/Brady level. All I am saying is to get there the man needs to start using his football IQ a bit more.

brothervad

Of course those things hurt Ben's game wasn't pefect. But:
- the O-line didn't protect well at all on that sack.
- Defense can't be giving up 21 points in the last 8 minutes on 3 consecutive drives (none were on turnovers or Steelers mistakes).
- You shouldn't be going for in on 4 & 1 in the redzone. Take the damn points!
- Trying to kick a 56 yard field goal was absurd. Punt and make them drive.

[feltdizz]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

We have threads to bash Tomlin and the OC and DC. Why is it off limits to question red zone INT's or sacks that take pointe off the board? We jump on all the players nuts when they do well but when they make mistakes everyone is judged but Ben? That's bull..

This is the second time Ben has thrown a redzone INT when we had a chance to put some distance between us and a subpar team in must win situations... Our D blows this year and we need our $100 million dollar QB to bail the D out this year...

We complain about points and how other teams blow KC out but maybe this is why.... Every loss we have had to a scrub team the last 4 years has an obvious trend.. Red zone INT's

[feltdizz]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

but this is who he is... and we have to take the good with the bad right? I'm joking.. I see no reason why Ben can't "be Ben" and take what the D gives him..

it's not 4th down in OT with no time left...

rewatch that play and look at the RB wide open with 20 yards to run.. Ben hates throwing short unless he is about to get sacked.

what play? the INT?

MeMo and miller stood in to block, wallace was coming around on the fake end around

holmes and were out in patterns

whoever did the end around was open. At least they looked open on the fuzzy Justin tv link

[grotonsteel]

Re: Ben's a talent...no arguement there, But enough already!

comment made in-game before the collapse, but I stand by the statement.

I will not deny that Ben is the least of our concerns, but he needs to start using his head more.

hey if you disagree with this, then you also disagree with Tomlin. In his PC, he stated pointed to points left out there.

first with the pick in the redzone and then with the sack while in FG range.

In a game that was decided by 3 points...those plays were big.

The D is struggling...everyone knows it...that means the O needs to grab points where it can.

Forcing a ball or taking a sack can be the difference in a "W" or an "L".

Again, I think Ben is a great talent, but a lot of folks want to put him in the Manning/Brady level. All I am saying is to get there the man needs to start using his football IQ a bit more.

brothervad

I did not see any difference between Tom Brady and Big Ben this season. Big Ben has caught up with Marsha.