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Re: Interesting Article on Big Ben
[quote=Jooser][quote=Mister Pittsburgh]
Make up your mind dude. At first you say that RB are not there to catch the ball, then you put it into a situation of 3rd and 10.
Nowhere did I suggest that I want Ben to throw a 2 to 3 yard pass to the RB on 3rd and 10. In that situation, you need to get the ball to the sticks. However, in other situations, you get the ball to your backs any way you can. A 2 to 3 yard pass is just as good as a 2 to 3 yard run.
The guy is just making stuff up to try and make the point he was trying to prove relevent. He was wrong, plain and simple. And I have seen numerous times where Ben looks at Mewelde 8 yards downfield on 2nd or 3rd & 6 and Mewelde is wide open with nobody is within 10 yards of him....and he looks him off and tries to find someone downfield only to take a sack. That, is stupid, not heroic or like 'gunslinger-esque'.
The problem with our passing game is there aren't enough timing patterns. Ben plays the game like it is backyard football and he has to visually see the WR wide open before he will throw it. That is why his deep balls are always late. He never just throws it downfield when his WR is in an obvious one on one....well not 'never' but hardly does he do this. The problem with most your pass plays being intended for someone 20 yards downfield is that you take a slow 5 step drop, then look and try and find an open receiver. Go watch Brady or Manning. Half the passes they throw are quick 3 step drops and throwing to a spot where his receiver is supposed to be.
We rarely throw passes over the middle in the 5 to 15 yards downfield from the line of scrimmage between the tackle boxes (the void in the defense left vacant by linebackers natural positioning plus the ones that blitz and safeties covering the deep part of the field on the outside to help out the CB.[/quote:rrthpeco]
He isn't making anything UP. The fact of the matter is that it's sometimes a great option to check down to the RB. Mendenhall is very fast and shifty. He often picks up a couple of yards even after contact. If you utilize him as a receiving weapon, you keep the LBs honest and that opens up the middle of the field for Heath and Hines, who make great use of that part of the field anyways. It's a simple, yet very effective tactic. It also keeps our QB from taking a wallop so often. (see the Ben concussion discussion thread)
Sure he is making stuff up. Who here or in the article mentioned Ben should become Mr. Dumpoff and throw only 2 to 3 yards downfield to his RB? That, is made up to try and prove his point and make it sound like passes to the RB are just little short passes that are worthless when in reality the RB can be 5-8-10 yds downfield and run after the catch.
[quote=Jooser][quote=Mister Pittsburgh]
Originally posted by "Steeler Mafia":rrthpeco
Originally posted by grotonsteel
Originally posted by "Steeler Mafia
As i said Big Ben has 35% completion to his TE/RBs this season. Do you want Big Ben to throw 2-3 yards passes to RB on 3rd and 10??? Simply Wow. Steelers are not going to win games with Big Ben not trying to make a play.
I want people to tell me how many deep throws Big Ben tries to throw per game?? He had one bad game that was against Cincy this season where he attempted 4-5 deep passes and could not connect.
Steelers had 44 min TOP against KC and still Steelers D laid a big egg.
Marino may be the greatest QB but he has won nothing.[/quote
As i said Big Ben has 35% completion to his TE/RBs this season. Do you want Big Ben to throw 2-3 yards passes to RB on 3rd and 10??? Simply Wow. Steelers are not going to win games with Big Ben not trying to make a play.
I want people to tell me how many deep throws Big Ben tries to throw per game?? He had one bad game that was against Cincy this season where he attempted 4-5 deep passes and could not connect.
Steelers had 44 min TOP against KC and still Steelers D laid a big egg.
Marino may be the greatest QB but he has won nothing.[/quote
Make up your mind dude. At first you say that RB are not there to catch the ball, then you put it into a situation of 3rd and 10.
Nowhere did I suggest that I want Ben to throw a 2 to 3 yard pass to the RB on 3rd and 10. In that situation, you need to get the ball to the sticks. However, in other situations, you get the ball to your backs any way you can. A 2 to 3 yard pass is just as good as a 2 to 3 yard run.
The problem with our passing game is there aren't enough timing patterns. Ben plays the game like it is backyard football and he has to visually see the WR wide open before he will throw it. That is why his deep balls are always late. He never just throws it downfield when his WR is in an obvious one on one....well not 'never' but hardly does he do this. The problem with most your pass plays being intended for someone 20 yards downfield is that you take a slow 5 step drop, then look and try and find an open receiver. Go watch Brady or Manning. Half the passes they throw are quick 3 step drops and throwing to a spot where his receiver is supposed to be.
We rarely throw passes over the middle in the 5 to 15 yards downfield from the line of scrimmage between the tackle boxes (the void in the defense left vacant by linebackers natural positioning plus the ones that blitz and safeties covering the deep part of the field on the outside to help out the CB.[/quote:rrthpeco]
He isn't making anything UP. The fact of the matter is that it's sometimes a great option to check down to the RB. Mendenhall is very fast and shifty. He often picks up a couple of yards even after contact. If you utilize him as a receiving weapon, you keep the LBs honest and that opens up the middle of the field for Heath and Hines, who make great use of that part of the field anyways. It's a simple, yet very effective tactic. It also keeps our QB from taking a wallop so often. (see the Ben concussion discussion thread)
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