Ben isn't underthrowing Wallace

[stlrz d]

He's not throwing it SOON enough. Instead of trusting that Wallace is going to beat his man and throwing it so he can run under it, he waits until Wallace HAS beat his man and then throws it.

By then it is too late because he can't throw it far enough and with enough velocity. That means Wallace has to slow down which allows the defender to catch up.

Underthrowing is when a guy is in your range and you don't reach him. That's not what is happening with Ben. He's throwing it late because he's waiting too long.

It's no different than a deep out...if the QB throws it just as the WR makes his break the ball should get there on time and beat the coverage. If the QB waits then the DB can get there to make a play.

Before responding just think about it for a minute and you'll understand what I'm getting at.

Anyway, hopefully Ben and Wallace can get this worked out soon. If Ben can hit Wallace in stride on a 20-30 yard pass that would be deadly.

[flippy]

Re: Ben isn't underthrowing Wallace

Agree.

But I also don't see a big deal in underthrowing the ball either. Lots of QBs throw deep balls short and many receivers come back and catch them. And when they fight through the DB, they often draw PI penalties.

[stlrz d]

Re: Ben isn't underthrowing Wallace

Agree.

But I also don't see a big deal in underthrowing the ball either. Lots of QBs throw deep balls short and many receivers come back and catch them. And when they fight through the DB, they often draw PI penalties.

But usually when they do that the DB isn't looking so the WR can come back to the ball.

And usually when a ball is purposely underthrown it's still in a range that allows for some velocity on the ball.

[Wolfhound45]

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I think that you are completely wrong on this one. Ben is underthrowing his receivers and the reason is because he is not an elite QB!

:P

[stlrz d]

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That cat is freaking me out!

[Wolfhound45]

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That cat is freaking me out!

[Discipline of Steel]

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That cat is freaking me out!

purrmanent resident of pet cemetary

[stlrz d]

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That cat is freaking me out!

[Wolfhound45]

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[quote=Discipline of Steel]

That cat is freaking me out!

purrmanent resident of pet cemetary[/quote:302aqt5m]

I love animals (dogs and cats) but that one needs a one way trip to the pet cemetery. Freaky!

[steelz09]

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Ben waiting to long to throw the ball?

I would have never guessed that.

Thanks "Captain of the Obvious"

[stlrz d]

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Ben waiting to long to throw the ball?

I would have never guessed that.

Thanks "Captain of the Obvious"

Once again you've totally missed the point.

I should come to expect that by now.

[Captain Lemming]

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Ben isnt underthrowing Wallace.

I say Wallace is just running too stinkin fast.

Hines needs to sit the kid down and explain the craft that he has perfected. The art of SLOW ROUTE RUNNING.

[jj28west]

Re: Ben isn't underthrowing Wallace

He's not throwing it SOON enough. Instead of trusting that Wallace is going to beat his man and throwing it so he can run under it, he waits until Wallace HAS beat his man and then throws it.

By then it is too late because he can't throw it far enough and with enough velocity. That means Wallace has to slow down which allows the defender to catch up.

Underthrowing is when a guy is in your range and you don't reach him. That's not what is happening with Ben. He's throwing it late because he's waiting too long.

It's no different than a deep out...if the QB throws it just as the WR makes his break the ball should get there on time and beat the coverage. If the QB waits then the DB can get there to make a play.

Before responding just think about it for a minute and you'll understand what I'm getting at.

Anyway, hopefully Ben and Wallace can get this worked out soon. If Ben can hit Wallace in stride on a 20-30 yard pass that would be deadly.

Good point. Even with Washington & Holmes Ben would most of the time be off with the timing. Towards the second half of last year it seemed like Ben was leading Washington better and they were becoming in sync. As far as throwing to a spot like Aikmen to Irvin in the 90s with the deep out, I believe like you said that Ben a lot of times must physically see the WR being open before throwing. Sometimes you will see him throwing into a crowd down the middle but I feel it is because he did not see the defender(s).

Just imagine if he had this timing down with Sweed @ 6' 3" also. The one minor drawback is Sweed's hands of Steel.

[JTP53609]

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love big ben...but, he has one of the worst deep balls in the league. cant have everything i guess

[Iron Shiek]

Re: Ben isn't underthrowing Wallace

He's not throwing it SOON enough. Instead of trusting that Wallace is going to beat his man and throwing it so he can run under it, he waits until Wallace HAS beat his man and then throws it.

By then it is too late because he can't throw it far enough and with enough velocity. That means Wallace has to slow down which allows the defender to catch up.

Underthrowing is when a guy is in your range and you don't reach him. That's not what is happening with Ben. He's throwing it late because he's waiting too long.

It's no different than a deep out...if the QB throws it just as the WR makes his break the ball should get there on time and beat the coverage. If the QB waits then the DB can get there to make a play.

Before responding just think about it for a minute and you'll understand what I'm getting at.

Anyway, hopefully Ben and Wallace can get this worked out soon. If Ben can hit Wallace in stride on a 20-30 yard pass that would be deadly.

Good point man. Nothing encapsulates this better than Marsha Brady last night throwing that BOMB to Randy Moss. Defender was neck and neck the entire time with Moss and Brady tossed a 60 yard in the air throw right on the money. Moss beats his man at the last second. Have faith in your WRs Ben!