I'll say it, Arians still sucks!

[SteelCrazy]

The play calling today was horrible. He has no idea how to adjust the offense to their strengths in regards to the defense's weaknesses. The second half looked eerily similar to the first half, accept when Ben was calling the plays. If the original game plan doesn't work, have no fear of abandonment because he wont change it.

[SteelCrazy]

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Amen!

• The Steelers used their no-huddle offense for one series — an eight-play, 91-yard touchdown drive that took all of 75 seconds at the end of the first half. Why abandon it? The no-huddle can't be used exclusively, but as receiver Mike Wallace said: "When Ben (Roethlisberger) is calling his own plays, he's great out there. He looks at the defense and picks them apart. That's one of the things that separates him and makes him great." Roethlisberger made the call on the 40-yard touchdown pass to Wallace. It was the same call, Wallace said, as his 22-yard catch two plays earlier.

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[California-Steel]

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Not only did I find it strange that they did not attack a weakened Vikes secondary but so did the announcers of the game. Sometimes they seem to make it harder than what it has to be. Why? I don't know but maybe someone does.

[stlrz d]

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Amen!

• The Steelers used their no-huddle offense for one series — an eight-play, 91-yard touchdown drive that took all of 75 seconds at the end of the first half. Why abandon it? The no-huddle can't be used exclusively, but as receiver Mike Wallace said: "When Ben (Roethlisberger) is calling his own plays, he's great out there. He looks at the defense and picks them apart. That's one of the things that separates him and makes him great." Roethlisberger made the call on the 40-yard touchdown pass to Wallace. It was the same call, Wallace said, as his 22-yard catch two plays earlier.

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I was calling for it in my conversation with myself in my "this game is frustrating" thread.

Also from that article:

• Beautiful end-zone somersault from Wallace, wasn't it? It looked like he took off from the 3. "Everybody gave me grief when I scored in Detroit," Wallace said. "They told me I didn't do a good enough celebration, so I gave 'em a little flip." LaMarr Woodley had some celebration ideas at the end of his 77-yard fumble return, too. "I thought about doing a dance," Woodley said, "and my body wouldn't let me."

Mean Joe to Rod Woodson after a celebration: We don't do that here.

Woodson's response: Yes sir.

My how the times have changed....

[JTP53609]

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sometimes the steelers do things that just make you scatch your head...for example.

i remember the game at denver 2 years ago on sunday night when we lost on a last second field goal. Leading into that game, the broncos were dead last in rush defense, and they were really bad, the steelers at the time were the number one rush offense....Well, we were terrible running the ball and it looked liked like the other way around....today the vikings have thier best corner out and the backup is on our "#1" receiver, well, we get very little from the passing game....how did flacco go for 387 at minnesotta last week and we struggled...

[SteelCrazy]

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sometimes the steelers do things that just make you scatch your head...for example.

i remember the game at denver 2 years ago on sunday night when we lost on a last second field goal. Leading into that game, the broncos were dead last in rush defense, and they were really bad, the steelers at the time were the number one rush offense....Well, we were terrible running the ball and it looked liked like the other way around....today the vikings have thier best corner out and the backup is on our "#1" receiver, well, we get very little from the passing game....how did flacco go for 387 at minnesotta last week and we struggled...

Thats easy, the Vikings studied game film on us, did a good job performing what they practiced and Arians didn't change a thing.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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The play calling today was horrible. He has no idea how to adjust the offense to their strengths in regards to the defense's weaknesses. The second half looked eerily similar to the first half, accept when Ben was calling the plays. If the original game plan doesn't work, have no fear of abandonment because he wont change it.

Do you know how often Ben changes the plays? Do you know how often Ben calls the plays? Can we really say they did not make attempts to attack the Vikes weaknesses? Maybe Ben did not get the coverage he expected or wanted?

In fairness, Ben and some other players on offense did not have their best games yesterday. A couple of player mistakes stalled drives. I know it beneath a lot of Steelers fans but we should give credit to a pretty good Vikes defensive unit.

[SteelCrazy]

Re: I'll say it, Arians still sucks!

The play calling today was horrible. He has no idea how to adjust the offense to their strengths in regards to the defense's weaknesses. The second half looked eerily similar to the first half, accept when Ben was calling the plays. If the original game plan doesn't work, have no fear of abandonment because he wont change it.

Do you know how often Ben changes the plays? Do you know how often Ben calls the plays? Can we really say they did not make attempts to attack the Vikes weaknesses? Maybe Ben did not get the coverage he expected or wanted?

In fairness, Ben and some other players on offense did not have their best games yesterday. A couple of player mistakes stalled drives. I know it beneath a lot of Steelers fans but we should give credit to a pretty good Vikes defensive unit.

When Ben was changing the play it was from the same formation Arians called. It really didn't change the attack except for the route and timing, but the timing really didnt change either. When Ben was calling the formation, we went 91 yards (and got six) in just over a minute.

Oh yea, the Vikings are a great team and have a great defense. They deserve a lot of credit.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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Not only did I find it strange that they did not attack a weakened Vikes secondary but so did the announcers of the game. Sometimes they seem to make it harder than what it has to be. Why? I don't know but maybe someone does.

I was wondering about this too. Does BA really suck that badly? Maybe the problem was that the Vikings DC compensated by not leaving the rookie corner out on a limb alone, so he wasn't a legit target.

I'm not really sure how likely that is, since the announcers (with their better view of the field) should have noticed that, AND wouldn't that have left another part of the field open as a passing target?

Maybe there was too much pressure on Ben to make downfield plays?

And I will keep the option open the original poster brought up ... the possibility that it was an incredibly poorly called game...

[SteelCrazy]

Re: I'll say it, Arians still sucks!

Not only did I find it strange that they did not attack a weakened Vikes secondary but so did the announcers of the game. Sometimes they seem to make it harder than what it has to be. Why? I don't know but maybe someone does.

I was wondering about this too. Does BA really suck that badly? Maybe the problem was that the Vikings DC compensated by not leaving the rookie corner out on a limb alone, so he wasn't a legit target.

I'm not really sure how likely that is, since the announcers (with their better view of the field) should have noticed that, AND wouldn't that have left another part of the field open as a passing target?

Maybe there was too much pressure on Ben to make downfield plays?


And I will keep the option open the original poster brought up ... the possibility that it was an incredibly poorly called game...

Valid points. Those may very well be the reasons for the non exciting offensive display.

On your rookie corner getting help question, well I heard the announcers say several times he had single coverage down field.

[MeetJoeGreene]

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From where I sat (VERY LAST ROW)... I observed the following:

Ben missed a few open receivers (i.e. he didn't see them).

We did have a few drops on third down (granted one time Ward got smacked).

Ben had a couple of not-so-great throws... (one to Mendenhall in the flats sticks in my mind).

We squandered some scoring opportunities (Miller penalty, Mendy fumble).


All told, we could have/should have/would have put more points up/controlled more time IF we had some of those EXECUTIONS (not playcalling).

That being said, I was SCREAMING for more no huddle (from the VERY last row.. did I mention that) and think it should have been used much, much more.

[steelfin]

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It seems to me that we went from our aggressive offensive style back to turtle-ball....Not sure if its play calling or the defense we were playing...but it was very frustrating to watch....

Seriously though...He used to be a coach for Cleveland....How much can we possibly expect from him....

[pfelix73]

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Don't tell that to the radio announcers out of Pittsburgh. Someone from California called in last night and mentioned that Arians needs to go and all the guy said was "you're a lunatic" why would you fire a SB winning OC?. But then on the flip side, he mentioned the poor play-calling in the 4th quarter.

The Calif. caller said that the local media just 'tows the company chain' and goes along with it. Never asking any of the tough questions that could be asked in PC's. That really ticked off the radio announcer for the rest of the hour...... There are a lot of folks out there that think the guy needs to go. Including me. Never cared for him. I would like to see him land a HC gig after the season. Then we'll see how good he really is. He's no Whiz, that's for sure.

[SidSmythe]

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I'm just frustrated that Arians rarely will run the ball two times in a row. Seems like 2nd & whatever, it's going to be a pass. If Mendenhall fixes this fumble problem, we have a 20+ carry/game back.

Mendenhall's making our line look pretty good

[flippy]

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I think they were trying to get the ball out quickly to negate the Minny pass rush.

But the problem is we have receivers that need time to get open.

And we just didn't convert a couple of 3rd downs that would have kept drives alive and given us more chances. If we converted a couple more 3rd downs, it would have been a different ball game.

Bottom line, we just didn't have enough plays. Credit to Minny's 3rd down D.