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  • RuthlessBurgher
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    • May 2008
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    Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

    Take into account all factors, such as age, current productivity, relative ease of replacement next year, the amount of money it would cost to re-sign the guy, etc.

    I would rank the remaining potential 2010 free agents as such:

    1. Jeff Reed

    He's mastered the Heinz Field turf. It is certainly one of the most difficult places to kick in the league, but he is money there. Absolutely worth an extension. Losing him would be much worse than the Ernster/Berger experiment at punter last year. He is the rare weirdo kicker who can be one of the guys with the rest of the team instead of some little weinie in the corner that no one gives any attention.

    2. Ryan Clark

    He's floundered in New York and Washington in the past, so he enjoys life in Pittsburgh, knowing that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. He plays a style that Pittsburgh fans appreciate, and he allows Troy to be Troy. Ty Carter won't be around for much longer, and we are not sure what we have in Ryan Mundy or Roy Lewis yet.

    3. Brett Keisel

    They will likely only be able to sign one of the two d-linemen that will be free agents next season, and I think Keisel is the more likely candidate, even though we have a potential replacement on the roster for him in Ziggy, while no one is earmarked as the future NT, since Hoke is older than Casey. Brett's younger than Snack, should be less expensive than Snack, and has a non-stop motor. Brett is a blue collar guy that was effective starting out in a rotation with Smith and von Oelhoffen, so he could still be effective ending up in a rotation with Smith and Hood. Besides, if anything happens to Aaron Smith, it would be great to have Keisel and Hood there as potential starters, eliminating the apocalyse that happened on the d-line when Aaron went down a few years ago.

    4. Casey Hampton

    I'd love to have him back since a dominant NT is the keystone to a great 3-4 defense, but the combination of his age, his weight problems, the time spent in Tomlin's doghouse, etc., could spell doom for him, particularly since one of these upstart 3-4 teams may offer him a king's ransom that we would not be able (or willing) to match. We may be able to get by with Hoke for a season (he was solid when Hampton was injured a few years ago), but that would mean we would need to spend a high pick on a NT in the 2010 draft, so the young fella would be ready to start in 2011 after a one-year apprenticeship behind Hoke, since Hokie's body may not be able to withstand much constant pounding at his age.

    5. Willie Colon

    I have said in the past that we will likely only be able to sign one of the potential free agent tackles, and the front-office already made their choice by extending Starks. I don't think Colon is anything more than an average RT in this league regardless of what Arians says. He may be able to be replaced in 2010 by Tony Hills, Ramon Foster, Jason Capizzi or a draft pick without a massive dropoff there. If there is no salary cap next season, though, I think he is worth keeping around for one more year with the same RFA tender his is playing with this season (since players would need 6 accrued seasons instead of 4 to attain unrestriced free agency if there is no CBA).

    6. Willie Parker

    Willie has been a big part of two Super Bowl winning teams, and you have to commend him for that. But the shelf-life for RB's is short, particular for those whose game is based on raw speed. And there are alternatives like Mendenhall, Moore, and Summers already on the roster.

    7. Justin Hartwig

    The oldest member of the offensive line by a significant margin. He has been an improvement over Sean Mahan for sure, but he is not the future for the team at this position; he is more of a stopgap. In 2010, I would imagine that Stapleton, Shipley, and Legursky will compete for the starting center job.

    8. Deshea Townsend

    He has had a great career in the Black and Gold. But with guys like Ike Taylor, Will Gay, Keenan Lewis, Joe Burnett, and Keiwan Ratliff already in the fold, I could see this being Deshea's last year on the team. He seems like he could be the kind of guy who could become a DB coach in the future like Darren Perry did.
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  • MeetJoeGreene
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    • May 2008
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    Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

    I am in basic agreement with your order... I might move Hampton further DOWN.. the other factor is that big nose tackles tend to just come to a sudden, sharp decline. Casey has outlived my expectations for when that would happen, but I don't think it is long before he stops
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    • pfelix73
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      #3
      Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

      I'd move Keisel and Clark ahead of Skippy. You can always get a good kicker in this league.

      In fact- (I like Jeff and all) but as a football business standpoint, I'd move Jeff to the very end of that list. IMO.

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      • Iron Shiek
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        • May 2008
        • 3798

        #4
        Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

        Originally posted by pfelix73
        I'd move Keisel and Clark ahead of Skippy. You can always get a good kicker in this league.

        In fact- (I like Jeff and all) but as a football business standpoint, I'd move Jeff to the very end of that list. IMO.


        I'd have to disagree. You can always get a good kicker in this league that misses important kicks maybe. But I'd have to say Reed's accuracy is a huge factor for us winning several games over the last few years. He doesn't miss big kicks, i wish there was a 'big kicks' stat to see where he ranks. And an accurate kicker can stick around for a long time in the NFL. Only thing is salary...if he wants so much that it isn't feasible...then yeah, i'd say start looking.
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        • RuthlessBurgher
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          • May 2008
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          #5
          Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

          Originally posted by pfelix73
          I'd move Keisel and Clark ahead of Skippy. You can always get a good kicker in this league.

          In fact- (I like Jeff and all) but as a football business standpoint, I'd move Jeff to the very end of that list. IMO.

          But from a business standpoint, the salaries for even the elite kickers in the league are reasonable. Extending Reed now is something that is likely possible under the cap, and I would be able to sleep better knowing that his automatic leg will be in the fold for the foreseeable future rather than having to worry about a kicker competion in 2010 between a rookie and a veteran who has bounced around between a half dozen teams in the league. Heinz Field has been known to eat guys like that up. You need an unfreezable psycho like Skippy in there. Just make sure that the paper towel dispensers in the locker room are well stocked and we're all good. :P
          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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            • May 2008
            • 10281

            #6
            Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

            Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
            4. Casey Hampton

            I'd love to have him back since a dominant NT is the keystone to a great 3-4 defense, but the combination of his age, his weight problems, the time spent in Tomlin's doghouse, etc., could spell doom for him, particularly since one of these upstart 3-4 teams may offer him a king's ransom that we would not be able (or willing) to match. We may be able to get by with Hoke for a season (he was solid when Hampton was injured a few years ago), but that would mean we would need to spend a high pick on a NT in the 2010 draft, so the young fella would be ready to start in 2011 after a one-year apprenticeship behind Hoke, since Hokie's body may not be able to withstand much constant pounding at his age.
            I disagree with a lot of what you say about Hamp here RB.

            You are right, a dominant NT is the keystone to the 3-4 and we currently have that. It is not about the NT's stats, but how many blockers can the widebody eat up every play, and Casey has done this job his entire career. He would be very difficult to replace.

            Hoke was able to capably replace him, but that was 2004. He will be in his mid 30's next year and I don't have the same level of comfort as I would have had if we were having this same discussion in 2006 or 2007.

            As far as some of the other factors you mention.....

            1) Being in Tomlin's doghouse. I don't think that Tomlin has a doghouse. Casey was disciplined, he reacted, he trained his way back into sufficient shape, and he has had his full status returned. There has been no lingering effect that we know of.

            2) His weight problems. Casey has been the same fat pig his entire career. He came into camp in the same type of shape every year and then rounded (pun intended) into form as camp went on. We might not approve of his methods, but it is the same thing that he has always done.

            The area where I do agree is that his age, and as MJG points out, the fear of a sudden decline can be a scary problem.

            We will get a full eyeful of big Casey in '09. If there is little to no dropoff in his play then I think that we have to gamble on him for another couple of years. If someone is willing to hand him ridiculous dough then there isn't much we can do, but I would want this version of Casey back.
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            • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
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              • May 2008
              • 3937

              #7
              Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

              1. Jeff Reed
              For what you will pay for a reliable kicker...Worth the coin. Unless his asking price is as crazy as his hair styles...he should be retained.

              2. Willie Colon
              Again, chemistry is key. You take away a piece of the puzzle you could take a step back. I think he is high on the wish list...But the Steelers offer might be too low. The Steelers want Colon back but his salary will be the bigger issue. Not sure they can squeeze him in.

              3. Ryan Clark
              All up to Clark here. His play to date shows no sign of drop off but the Steelers will want him to take a little less than market value. I actually think he does. Mundy could change they way they think but Mundy's injury put him behind a year.

              4. Casey Hampton
              Dominate 3-4 NTs are hard to find. If Hampton stays healthy, it will be hard to let him walk. Hood is being worked at DE and that influenced my decision. Might see a tag on Hampton to school a rookie in 2010. This one will hurt no matter what happens.

              5. Brett Keisel
              Solid not spectacular. Hood working at DE moved Keisel below Hampton. If he wants to take Kirschke money and his place in the rotation...I'm all for it!

              6. Willie Parker
              Based on last two years, his market value might fit in their plans. However, great year this year from Willie and solid year from Mendenhall might earn Parker a big payday somewhere else. In anticipation of good year by both I slot Parker here. Mendenhall's performance this year could push Parker to bottom of list. Lack of...Could push him up.

              7. Justin Hartwig
              Can't see Stapleton, Legursky, or Shipley not showing enough to warrant retaining Hartwig. Don't know if the answer at C is in that group, but a one year bridge to a 2010 rookie they could be. Chemistry on the OL could be a problem if both Colon and Hartwig are left to walk. Colon's youth makes more sense.

              8. Deshea Townsend
              Unfortunately for Townsend, the ride ends here. But when you waive good-bye...You will see 3 rings on your fingers!!! Next up...Coach Townsend???

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              • grotonsteel
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                • Jul 2008
                • 2810

                #8
                Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

                1. Casey Hampton
                I don't see anyone from current roster who can replace Casey. Hoke is a good backup. 3-4 defense needs a dominant NT. I am not sure if Ziggy is a NT.

                2. Ryan Clark
                Here comes the BOOM.

                3. Willie Colon
                Bruce Arians think he is the best RT in NFL. I have my doubts. If there is a distinct improvement from him this season he is a keep.

                4. Brett Keisel
                Resign him if he is available at the right price. It all depends on how Ziggy comes up.

                5. Jeff Reed
                Put a franchise tag on him.

                6. Willie Parker
                Steelers need RBs not sprinters in the backfield. Unless Willie is willing to sign for backup money Steelers should not resign him. Mendy and Moore should be able to get the work done for Steelers.

                7. Justin Hartwig
                Stapleton, Legursky and Shipley should be competing for the starting center job. Steelers should not resign him. Infact i think if Alex S stays healthy he should be in the mix.

                8. Deshea Townsend
                Awesome player. I would think he will retire this season. Steelers should bring him back as a coach to young DBs.
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                • RuthlessBurgher
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                  • May 2008
                  • 33208

                  #9
                  Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

                  Originally posted by grotonsteel
                  Jeff Reed
                  Put a franchise tag on him.
                  I agree with this. If something cannot be worked out before then, Reed is certainly a franchise tag candidate. He is worth top 5 kicker money for one season until a long-term deal can be worked out. None of the offensive or defensive lineman on our list would be worth a one year contract that averages the top 5 salaries of OL or DL in the league.
                  Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                  Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                  We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                  We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                  • SteelerNation1
                    Pro Bowler
                    • May 2008
                    • 1574

                    #10
                    Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

                    Originally posted by pfelix73
                    I'd move Keisel and Clark ahead of Skippy. You can always get a good kicker in this league.

                    In fact- (I like Jeff and all) but as a football business standpoint, I'd move Jeff to the very end of that list. IMO.

                    I disagree 100% pfelix. I was at the game in 2001 when Kris Brown missed 4 FGs!!!!!!!!!! 4!!!!!!!!!! Still eats me up. Also, think about the last big kick Skip has missed. Still thinking? He has never missed a big kick. <Knock on Wood>
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                    • 100$handshake

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                      Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

                      I think of the 8 listed only Colon will be resigned due to his age. The other guys are past their primes and not worth the money they'll seek. Reed could be signed because kickers can go longer. Just my opinion.

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                      • SteelerNation1
                        Pro Bowler
                        • May 2008
                        • 1574

                        #12
                        Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

                        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                        Originally posted by grotonsteel
                        Jeff Reed
                        Put a franchise tag on him.
                        I agree with this. If something cannot be worked out before then, Reed is certainly a franchise tag candidate. He is worth top 5 kicker money for one season until a long-term deal can be worked out. None of the offensive or defensive lineman on our list would be worth a one year contract that averages the top 5 salaries of OL or DL in the league.
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                        • SteelerNation1
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                          • May 2008
                          • 1574

                          #13
                          Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

                          1. Jeff Reed

                          From his 1st game in Jacksonville when he hit 5 FG's til now, the dude is just clutch. Plus, I have him #1 because of his "signability."

                          2. Brett Keisel

                          If he can be signed for decent money, I'd do it. He brings a lot of leadership and a high motor to the club. Didn't he have like 30+ QB pressures 2 seasons ago?

                          3. Ryan Clark

                          Hits like a truck and lets Troy be Troy. However, I am going to be watching Ryan Mundy alot this preseason. It seems very likely that Mundy is the FS of the future.

                          4. Big Snack

                          He is the least likely to resign IMO. Some team will way overpay for his services. He's looking to cash in one last time I think. This may sound crazy, but I say let him go, draft someone in 2010 and hope Hoke and possibly Scott Paxson can fill the void for a yr.

                          5. Justin Hartwig

                          Stabilized the C position after Mahan. Was very solid last season against Rodgers, Peko, Jamal Williams, and Ngata. He would provide great depth in 2010.

                          6. Deshea Townsend

                          Excellent leader. If he can make a move to FS, he stays.

                          7. Willie Parker

                          Still not sure Mendenhall can handle the load. I believe Parker would come back at a hometwon discount

                          8. Willie Colon

                          Quite simply, no matter what Arians says, he isn't good.
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                          • RuthlessBurgher
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                            • May 2008
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                            Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

                            The most interesting part of this thread so far is the wide range of opinions with regard to Willie Colon. Of the 8 guys who have contracts up at the end of this season, Colon has been ranked:

                            1st by 100$handshake
                            2nd by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                            3rd by grotonsteel
                            5th by RuthlessBurgher
                            8th by SteelerNation1

                            There has also been some disagreement about Reed, ranging from 1st to 5th to 8th, but since 3 people listed him first, he is not quite all over the board like Colon has been so far.
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                            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                            • SteelerNation1
                              Pro Bowler
                              • May 2008
                              • 1574

                              #15
                              Re: Rank the potential 2010 free agents; Who'd be your priority?

                              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                              The most interesting part of this thread so far is the wide range of opinions with regard to Willie Colon. Of the 8 guys who have contracts up at the end of this season, Colon has been ranked:

                              1st by 100$handshake
                              2nd by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                              3rd by grotonsteel
                              5th by RuthlessBurgher
                              8th by SteelerNation1

                              There has also been some disagreement about Reed, ranging from 1st to 5th to 8th, but since 3 people listed him first, he is not quite all over the board like Colon has been so far.
                              Can someone pull up the amount of holding calls and false stats Colon had in 2008? Also, keep in mind, Heath is kept in to help on Colon's side quite a bit.
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