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  • RuthlessBurgher
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    • May 2008
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    Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

    It hasn't been reported yet what draft picks they gave up to get him. Hopefully he has a rough transition to the 3-4 that the Asterisks typically run.

    [url]http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/08/derrick_burgess_1.html[/url]

    Derrick Burgess analysis
    Posted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff
    August 6, 2009 05:52 PM

    The Patriots shored up the biggest weakness on their roster with today’s acquisition of Derrick Burgess -- their pass rush.

    Regardless of what base defense the Patriots play -- a 3-4 or 4-3 -- Burgess will almost surely be part of sub packages, where he will add a pass-rushing presence that had been lacking. A nine-year veteran, he has 47 career sacks.

    At 6 feet 2 inches and 260 pounds, Burgess projects to outside linebacker in a base 3-4 defense, a position he played briefly in the early part of his Raiders tenure under Rob Ryan. But the Raiders didn’t use much 3-4, and Burgess has been most comfortable at end in the 4-3.

    So his acquisition gives the Patriots more flexibility to play a base 4-3, providing a solid rush presence to go along with more stout linemen Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, and Ron Brace.

    Burgess was unhappy in Oakland, holding out at the start of training camp, which might have accelerated his departure.

    At this point, it is difficult to assess the trade without knowing what the Patriots gave up to acquire him (the team announced draft considerations).

    One of the only definitive aspects of today’s transaction is this: The Patriots just got better defensively.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.
  • BURGH86STEEL
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    • May 2008
    • 6921

    #2
    Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

    If he can stay healthy, he is a good pass rusher.

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    • Discipline of Steel
      Hall of Famer
      • Aug 2008
      • 3882

      #3
      Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

      Damn it!

      Where is the "NE* Sux!" smiley when you need one?
      sigpic
      Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.

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      • RuthlessBurgher
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        • May 2008
        • 33208

        #4
        Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

        Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
        If he can stay healthy, he is a good pass rusher.
        His production spiked when he moved from the Eagles to the Raiders, with 16 sacks in 16 games in his first season in Oakland. However, it has decreased with each subsequent year, with 11 sacks in 16 games in 2006, 8 sacks in 14 games in 2007, and 3.5 sacks in 10 games last year.
        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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        • RuthlessBurgher
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 33208

          #5
          Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

          Originally posted by Discipline of Steel
          Damn it!

          Where is the "NE* Sux!" smiley when you need one?
          You can use any of these:





          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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          • Eddie Spaghetti
            Hall of Famer
            • Jul 2008
            • 4123

            #6
            Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

            i read on PFT a 3rd and a 5th in 2011.

            don't know much, but that seems a little high.

            screw the pats*.

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            • RuthlessBurgher
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 33208

              #7
              Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

              Originally posted by Eddie Spaghetti
              i read on PFT a 3rd and a 5th in 2011.

              don't know much, but that seems a little high.

              screw the pats*.
              Sirius NFL Radio's Two Minute Drill noted that terms were still officially undisclosed, but they said that sources were saying a 3rd and 4th in 2011, which is even better than the 3rd and 5th that PFT was reporting. It is interesting that it is 2011 picks instead of 2010 picks.
              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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              • steelcityrules!!
                Backup
                • May 2008
                • 287

                #8
                Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                Originally posted by Eddie Spaghetti
                i read on PFT a 3rd and a 5th in 2011.

                don't know much, but that seems a little high.

                screw the pats*.
                Sirius NFL Radio's Two Minute Drill noted that terms were still officially undisclosed, but they said that sources were saying a 3rd and 4th in 2011, which is even better than the 3rd and 5th that PFT was reporting. It is interesting that it is 2011 picks instead of 2010 picks.
                gives their F.O. a good year and a half to sluff off older, overvalued talent for picks replacing those lost. Damn cheaters aren't afraid to make those types of moves.
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                • BURGH86STEEL
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                  • May 2008
                  • 6921

                  #9
                  Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

                  Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                  Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                  If he can stay healthy, he is a good pass rusher.
                  His production spiked when he moved from the Eagles to the Raiders, with 16 sacks in 16 games in his first season in Oakland. However, it has decreased with each subsequent year, with 11 sacks in 16 games in 2006, 8 sacks in 14 games in 2007, and 3.5 sacks in 10 games last year.
                  You think injuries played a part in how much he produced last year? He is still a pretty good pass rusher. He is probably better than anyone the Pats have right now. BB will try to find ways to get the most out of his abilities. He does not have to be an every down player for the Pats. That should help to increase his effectiveness.

                  The Pats made move to help improve their pass rush. Time will tell if it pays off.

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                  • Steel Life
                    Pro Bowler
                    • May 2008
                    • 1535

                    #10
                    Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

                    Why do other teams continue to do business with the god-d*m P*ts? First with Moss, then all the picks they pick up in the draft & now this? Jesus...isn't the objective to beat the other team, not help them? I would rather swallow broken glass than deal with them just on the principal that the deal may be helping them. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if the Raiders met the P*ts in the AFC Championship & lost because Burgess played great? Besides, you'd think that after the "Tuck Rule" game & then watching Moss re-emerge that the Raiders would never do business with the P*ts - Jesus Al...wake the f*ck up & bitch-slap the pretty boys in the league the way you used to.
                    It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust & sweat & blood...

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                    • LasVegasGuy

                      #11
                      Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

                      Originally posted by Steel Life
                      Why do other teams continue to do business with the god-d*m P*ts? First with Moss, then all the picks they pick up in the draft & now this? Jesus...isn't the objective to beat the other team, not help them? I would rather swallow broken glass than deal with them just on the principal that the deal may be helping them. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if the Raiders met the P*ts in the AFC Championship & lost because Burgess played great? Besides, you'd think that after the "Tuck Rule" game & then watching Moss re-emerge that the Raiders would never do business with the P*ts - Jesus Al...wake the f*ck up & bitch-slap the pretty boys in the league the way you used to.

                      It pains me to say this but I think with all the moves the Patriots made this season everyone is playing for second. Turn a blind eye if you like but the addition of Fred Taylor, Leigh Bodden, Joey Galloway, Shawn Springs and the return of Brady is going to be huge.

                      Who did we add again?

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                      • Ozey74
                        Pro Bowler
                        • May 2008
                        • 2091

                        #12
                        Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

                        Was Al Davis asleep when someone took his hand to sign off on this deal?
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                        AS-5/2008

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                        • BURGH86STEEL
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 6921

                          #13
                          Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

                          Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
                          Originally posted by Steel Life
                          Why do other teams continue to do business with the god-d*m P*ts? First with Moss, then all the picks they pick up in the draft & now this? Jesus...isn't the objective to beat the other team, not help them? I would rather swallow broken glass than deal with them just on the principal that the deal may be helping them. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if the Raiders met the P*ts in the AFC Championship & lost because Burgess played great? Besides, you'd think that after the "Tuck Rule" game & then watching Moss re-emerge that the Raiders would never do business with the P*ts - Jesus Al...wake the f*ck up & bitch-slap the pretty boys in the league the way you used to.

                          It pains me to say this but I think with all the moves the Patriots made this season everyone is playing for second. Turn a blind eye if you like but the addition of Fred Taylor, Leigh Bodden, Joey Galloway, Shawn Springs and the return of Brady is going to be huge.

                          Who did we add again?
                          Even without all the moves the Pats made they would be considered one of the best teams in the league with Brady's return. Those moves could help them win the SB. Based on those player's ages and injury histories, those moves might not worked out as planned. In any event, I think the Steelers have enough talent to compete and defeat a team like the Pats. Maybe the Pats had to add some of those players because their drafts were not as productive as they had hoped?

                          You should know better by now than to ask a question like, "who did we add again?" Steelers have never been big on adding a lot of free agents. Steelers are selective in the players they want to add. I cannot blame them because that strategy works for them.

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                          • frankthetank1
                            Hall of Famer
                            • May 2008
                            • 2755

                            #14
                            Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

                            Originally posted by LasVegasGuy
                            Originally posted by Steel Life
                            Why do other teams continue to do business with the god-d*m P*ts? First with Moss, then all the picks they pick up in the draft & now this? Jesus...isn't the objective to beat the other team, not help them? I would rather swallow broken glass than deal with them just on the principal that the deal may be helping them. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if the Raiders met the P*ts in the AFC Championship & lost because Burgess played great? Besides, you'd think that after the "Tuck Rule" game & then watching Moss re-emerge that the Raiders would never do business with the P*ts - Jesus Al...wake the f*ck up & bitch-slap the pretty boys in the league the way you used to.

                            It pains me to say this but I think with all the moves the Patriots made this season everyone is playing for second. Turn a blind eye if you like but the addition of Fred Taylor, Leigh Bodden, Joey Galloway, Shawn Springs and the return of Brady is going to be huge.

                            Who did we add again?
                            ok i will turn a blind eye. fragile fred taylor, c'mon the guy is like 35. he will fit in well with all the other injury prone rb's they have. joey galloway would have been a great pick up 5 years ago. shawn springs is not only old but he has never been anything more then mediocre and bodden, eh its leigh bodden. crown their azz right now if you would like. its not who the steelers added its who they lost which is nobody really. ohhh wow bmac and foote, what a blow. it will be the same team that WON the sb last season

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                            • Jooser
                              Legend
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 5102

                              #15
                              Re: Asterisks improve pass rush by trading for Raiders' Burgess

                              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                              Originally posted by Discipline of Steel
                              Damn it!

                              Where is the "NE* Sux!" smiley when you need one?
                              You can use any of these:





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