Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

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  • SteelTorch
    Pro Bowler
    • Jun 2008
    • 1361

    Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

    And he's second only to you-know-who...
    [url]http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2755_The_Great_8.html[/url]

    The article is too big to post here, but here's the list and Big Ben's section.

    1. Tom Brady
    2. Ben Roethlisberger
    3. Kurt Warner
    4. Peyton Manning
    5. Phillip Rivers
    6. Chad Pennington
    7. Drew Brees
    8. Donovan Mcnabb

    2. Ben Roethlisberger
    Type of Quarterback: Clutch Playmaker

    Career: 1,189 of 1,905, 62.4%, 14,974 yards, 7.9 YPA, 101 TD, 69 INT, 89.4 passer rating
    Best year: (2005) 168 of 268, 62.7%, 2,385 yards, 8.9 YPA, 17 TD, 9 INT, 98.6 passer rating
    Last year: 281 of 469, 59.5%, 3,301 yards, 7.0 YPA, 17 TD, 15 INT, 80.1 passer rating

    The Cold, Hard Football Fact: Big Ben's career average of 7.86 YPA is the third best in modern NFL history (since 1960).

    The straight dope: The knock on Big Ben has always been that he’s been lucky to play with a great defensive club with a great commitment to the run on offense. However, teams don’t consistently win games, and don’t consistently win Super Bowls, without clutch play at quarterback -- no matter how good they are defensively or no matter how often they run the football. And, with the possible exception of No. 1 on our list, no quarterback in football today consistently produces clutch plays in key moments more often than Roethlisberger.

    The 2008 season was textbook Big Ben: hamstrung by one of the worst offensive lines in the league (28th on our Offensive Hog Index), Roethlisberger had a subpar statistical season. But with everything on the line – and in the last thing we all saw at the end of the 2008 football season – Roethlisberger led his Steelers on one of the great drives in Super Bowl history, ending it with a gorgeous, clutch pass to Santonio Holmes for the game-winning touchdown. (We ranked that drive the third best in Super Bowl history earlier this year.)

    However, if you’re looking for a telling stat that underscores Big Ben’s success – the underlying stats are always there if you trust in the Cold, Hard Football Facts – look no further than Big Ben’s 7.86 YPA, the sixth best mark in the history of the NFL. In modern times, only Warner (8.04 YPA) and Steve Young (7.98 YPA) were more effective at getting the ball down field.

    Other quarterbacks put up bigger, better numbers. But the bottom line is that no fandom outside of New England can rest more comfortably knowing that they have a quarterback who can make plays and pull out victories in the most critical games and moments of the season.

    The outlook for 2009: Big Ben & Co. find themselves playing for “team of the decade” status. With another title this year, they’ll have won three Super Bowls in the second half of the decade, after the Patriots won three in the first half of the decade. Clutch quarterbacks revel in these moments.
    I don't agree completely with the list (I wouldn't have had Rivers that high) but it's still well-put together and DEFINITELY not what most would expect.
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  • feltdizz
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 27531

    #2
    Re: CHFF's top 8 quarterbacks of the league:

    1. Tom Brady
    2. Ben Roethlisberger
    3. Kurt Warner
    4. Peyton Manning
    5. Phillip Rivers
    6. Chad Pennington
    7. Drew Brees
    8. Donovan Mcnabb - won a lot of games in a pass first Offense...
    Steelers 27
    Rats 16

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    • RuthlessBurgher
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 33208

      #3
      Re: CHFF's top 8 quarterbacks of the league:

      Originally posted by feltdizz
      1. Tom Brady
      2. Ben Roethlisberger
      3. Kurt Warner
      4. Peyton Manning
      5. Phillip Rivers
      6. Chad Pennington
      7. Drew Brees
      8. Donovan Mcnabb - won a lot of games in a pass first Offense...
      Are you telling me that you wouldn't take Chad Pennington over Drew Brees?
      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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      • stlrz d
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 9244

        #4
        Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

        From the article: "So here’s our take on the Great 8 – the eight best quarterbacks in the game today, the eight quarterbacks most likely to give their team a shot at Super Bowl success in 2009."

        I do believe that's mostly what it's about.

        PS - Just for the record, CHFF is owned and operated by a Pats fan.

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        • Scarletfire1970
          Pro Bowler
          • May 2008
          • 1138

          #5
          Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

          He lost me at Chad Pennington.

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          • PSU_dropout43
            Starter
            • May 2009
            • 820

            #6
            Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

            Kurt Warner, Big Ben, and Tom Brady are my top three QBs as well.
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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27531

              #7
              Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

              Originally posted by stlrz d
              From the article: "So here’s our take on the Great 8 – the eight best quarterbacks in the game today, the eight quarterbacks most likely to give their team a shot at Super Bowl success in 2009."

              I do believe that's mostly what it's about.

              PS - Just for the record, CHFF is owned and operated by a Pats fan.
              He lost cred with Pennington... dude is not a prime timne QB.
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              • SteelTorch
                Pro Bowler
                • Jun 2008
                • 1361

                #8
                Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

                Originally posted by feltdizz
                Originally posted by stlrz d
                From the article: "So here’s our take on the Great 8 – the eight best quarterbacks in the game today, the eight quarterbacks most likely to give their team a shot at Super Bowl success in 2009."

                I do believe that's mostly what it's about.

                PS - Just for the record, CHFF is owned and operated by a Pats fan.
                He lost cred with Pennington... dude is not a prime timne QB.
                Just out of curiosity - did you even read the article? Or did you just read the list?

                6. Chad Pennington
                Type of Quarterback: Pigskin Precisionist

                Career stats: 1,580 of 2,395, 66.0%, 17,391 yards, 7.3 YPA, 101 TD, 62 INT, 90.6 rating
                Best year: (200 321 of 476, 67.4%, 3,653 yards, 7.7 YPA, 19 TD, 7 INT, 97.4 rating
                Last year: 321 of 476, 67.4%, 3,653 yards, 7.7 YPA, 19 TD, 7 INT, 97.4 rating

                The Cold, Hard Football Fact: Pennington is the most accurate passer in pro football history, with a 66.0 career completion percentage.

                The straight dope: Pennington is not considered an elite QB by anybody but the Cold, Hard Football Facts. The bottom line is that his teams have won when he’s played, and he has put up some great numbers. In fact, the list of quarterbacks in NFL history with a better passer rating is a short one: Young, Manning, Warner, Brady and Montana. That’s it, folks.

                The problem, of course, is that injuries have interrupted too many seasons for him to be remembered by most as a great quarterback.

                But Pennington vindicated himself as one of the league’s best quarterbacks last year, when he was the single biggest reason for the single biggest one-season turnaround in NFL history. The Dolphins rose from 1-15 in 2007 to 11-5 and AFC East champs in 2008. Whenever you see a team improve so quickly, it can almost always be attributed to an improvement in the passing game. And no unit in all of football improved more dramatically from 2007 to 2008 than the Miami passing game.
                The 2007 Dolphins averaged just 5.05 YPA (31st in the NFL)
                The 2008 Dolphins averaged 7.03 YPA (8th in the NFL).

                Sure, Miami had a big injection of new names and faces from top to bottom last year. But none of it matters if your quarterback plays poorly. The improvement in Miami’s passing game, meanwhile, was truly stunning. In fact, Pennington should have won league MVP honors last year for leading the greatest single-season turnaround in league history. If not for the Peyton Manning worship that infects the football media like a bad case of jock itch, Pennington would have won the award easily.

                Pennington has even had a couple of nice playoff moments in his career: he was brilliant with the Jets in a 41-0 destruction of the Colts in the 2002 playoffs; and played extremely well in New York’s shocking 20-17 win at San Diego in the 2004 playoffs.

                The outlook for 2009: Pennington needs a deep run into the playoffs with Miami for the pigskin public to finally accept him as one of the better QBs in the game. He also has a chance to prove that 2008 was no fluke and that the Dolphins are in fact ready to consistently challenge the Patriots as beast of the AFC East.
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                • feltdizz
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 27531

                  #9
                  Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

                  But Pennington vindicated himself as one of the league’s best quarterbacks last year, when he was the single biggest reason for the single biggest one-season turnaround in NFL history. The Dolphins rose from 1-15 in 2007 to 11-5 and AFC East champs in 2008.

                  umm... not to burst bubbles but the WIldcat and Joey Porter were also responsible for some of those wins..

                  Pennington is good... but Baltimore made Chad look like a straight up scrub last year in the playoffs when the run was shut down. Biggest drawback for Chad.. besides injuries is his weak arm.

                  I think he should be last on this list or not on it at all...
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                  Rats 16

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                  • SteelTorch
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1361

                    #10
                    Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    But Pennington vindicated himself as one of the league’s best quarterbacks last year, when he was the single biggest reason for the single biggest one-season turnaround in NFL history. The Dolphins rose from 1-15 in 2007 to 11-5 and AFC East champs in 2008.

                    umm... not to burst bubbles but the WIldcat and Joey Porter were also responsible for some of those wins..

                    Pennington is good... but Baltimore made Chad look like a straight up scrub last year in the playoffs when the run was shut down. Biggest drawback for Chad.. besides injuries is his weak arm.

                    I think he should be last on this list or not on it at all...
                    Joey Porter was also on the team when they went 1-15...and are you seriously suggesting that a single linebacker is just as important as their starting QB??? I'm sorry, but that's wrong.

                    And it's not fair to judge a QB by a single game. Granted he sucked that time, but don't forget, Bmore is still a great defense and Chad has had some great playoff moments as well. And even if you neglect the stats, it still stands that teams have won when Chad is healthy and playing - that goes the same for the Jets and the Dolphins. Seems to me you just don't want to give credit where credit is due.
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                    • Discipline of Steel
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 3882

                      #11
                      Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

                      I think you just take Rivers and Pennington off the list and have a top 6.
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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27531

                        #12
                        Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

                        Originally posted by SteelTorch
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        But Pennington vindicated himself as one of the league’s best quarterbacks last year, when he was the single biggest reason for the single biggest one-season turnaround in NFL history. The Dolphins rose from 1-15 in 2007 to 11-5 and AFC East champs in 2008.

                        umm... not to burst bubbles but the WIldcat and Joey Porter were also responsible for some of those wins..

                        Pennington is good... but Baltimore made Chad look like a straight up scrub last year in the playoffs when the run was shut down. Biggest drawback for Chad.. besides injuries is his weak arm.

                        I think he should be last on this list or not on it at all...
                        Joey Porter was also on the team when they went 1-15...and are you seriously suggesting that a single linebacker is just as important as their starting QB??? I'm sorry, but that's wrong.

                        And it's not fair to judge a QB by a single game. Granted he sucked that time, but don't forget, Bmore is still a great defense and Chad has had some great playoff moments as well. And even if you neglect the stats, it still stands that teams have won when Chad is healthy and playing - that goes the same for the Jets and the Dolphins. Seems to me you just don't want to give credit where credit is due.
                        Joey was in his first year in a new D and hurt... last year he led the league in sacks..
                        Bills sucked..
                        Jets had a 3 game lead and Brett tanked and gave up in the last game....
                        Pats were without Brady too...

                        Chad is definitely a decent QB but he isn't winning a SB without a Ravens or Tampa type defensive effort.....

                        I never said Chad sucked but saying he is a SB caliber QB is a joke... he has a decent record but would really take Pennington over Brees and McNabb?

                        I wouldn't...
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                        Rats 16

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                        • stlrz d
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 9244

                          #13
                          Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

                          Chad Pennington = Brad Johnson, imo.

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                          • Lonbull
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 1121

                            #14
                            Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

                            In regards to Chad Pennington I'm impressed - especially considering the Dolphins have very little "proven" talent at WR. I mean when you're best WR is Ted Ginn Jr. who hasn't really lit the NFL world on fire...still throwing for 67.4% needs to be recognized.

                            I've followed Pennington's entire career (straight out of Marshall) and I've always thought he was a "decent" QB, however these stats do pop out at you.

                            Let me put it this way - would Chad Pennington have won just as much as Tom Brady if Pennington had been taking snaps in New England? Hard to say.

                            L.B.

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #15
                              Re: Big Ben #2 on CHFF's Top 8 Quarterbacks!

                              Originally posted by Lonbull
                              In regards to Chad Pennington I'm impressed - especially considering the Dolphins have very little "proven" talent at WR. I mean when you're best WR is Ted Ginn Jr. who hasn't really lit the NFL world on fire...still throwing for 67.4% needs to be recognized.

                              I've followed Pennington's entire career (straight out of Marshall) and I've always thought he was a "decent" QB, however these stats do pop out at you.

                              Let me put it this way - would Chad Pennington have won just as much as Tom Brady if Pennington had been taking snaps in New England? Hard to say.

                              L.B.
                              You mean if he were told beforehand what play the defense was going to run? Probably so. After all, it is easy when you have all the answers to the test, right Tom Brady?
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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