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  • fordfixer
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    • May 2008
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    Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

    Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

    By SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer 5 hours, 58 minutes ago

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    RENO, Nev. (AP)—The woman accusing Ben Roethlisberger(notes) of raping her last summer will have a difficult time convincing a judge and jury she was assaulted in the star quarterback’s penthouse hotel room partly because she never reported it to police and waited a year to file a civil lawsuit.

    Several lawyers and legal scholars say the 31-year-old employee of Harrah’s Lake Tahoe hotel has the added chore of taking on a casino in Nevada, where the gambling industry wields considerable clout.

    But she may have a chance of winning an out-of-court settlement from the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback known as “Big Ben” because millions of dollars in endorsements are at stake for the two-time Super Bowl winner, legal observers say.

    “The question they are going to be asked right out of the chute is why did she not file a complaint with the police?” said Dick Gammick, the district attorney for Washoe County in Reno who is not involved in the case.
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    Cal Dunlap, the woman’s lawyer, who is the former Washoe County district attorney, has refused to comment. “The entire matter will be tried in court and not in the media,” he told AP on Friday.

    The woman, an executive VIP casino host at Harrah’s at the time, said in the lawsuit that Roethlisberger lured her to his room under false pretenses and raped her during a celebrity golf tournament last summer. She’s seeking a minimum of $490,000 plus punitive damages. The suit filed in Reno last week also accuses Harrah’s officials of covering up the alleged assault and going to great lengths to silence her after she says she reported it the next day to the hotel’s security chief.

    Roethlisberger, 27, said Thursday the allegations are “reckless and false.”

    “I would never, ever force myself on a woman,” he said, and vowed to fight the claim in the courts.

    Harrah’s officials refused to comment.

    Scott Freeman, a Reno defense lawyer whose clients have included the infamous Mustang Ranch brothel, said it is “highly unlikely” she will prevail in what shapes up as a he-said, she-said case like the one involving NBA star Kobe Bryant.

    “There is no evidence of the alleged sexual assault, other than her saying it,” Freeman said.

    In 2003 a 19-year-old employee at a Colorado hotel accused Bryant of raping her, but in that case, the accuser filed a police complaint.

    Bryant said the sex was consensual. The charge was dismissed after the woman refused to proceed with the criminal case and an undisclosed settlement was reached.

    Deborah Rhode, a professor at Stanford Law School who specializes in sex and the law, said that in addition to apparently not having any evidence, the accuser has no witnesses, a history of depression and some “obvious financial motives—none of which makes her a very appealing complainant.”

    “That said, it may well have happened. There are certainly more than enough examples of factual settings like this where celebrity athletes feel entitled,” she said. “But that is not going to win a case.”

    Freeman said Roethlisberger’s play at the tournament again last week “would be consistent with innocence.” The 6-foot-5, 240-pound first-round draft pick out of Miami of Ohio in 2004 appeared on the cover of the tourney’s 20th anniversary commemorative program with Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley and John Elway.

    “He wasn’t in hiding,” Freeman said.

    David Houston, a Reno lawyer whose high profile clients include Hulk Hogan and Joe Francis of “Girls Gone Wild” fame, said a court victory is doubtful, but a settlement is probable.

    “Anytime you put famous athletes in the gun sights they start to lose endorsements, the public relation teams get involved and crisis management takes over,” he said. “You start computing dollars for every day it goes on and at some point everybody starts talking about mitigation rather than did he do it or not.”

    Roethlisberger signed an eight-year contract extension worth $102 million in 2008. He also is earning at least $2.5 million annually in endorsements, Sports Illustrated reported last month.

    The lawsuit says the woman didn’t go to the sheriff because she feared Harrah’s would side with the sports star, who is a friend of the hotel-casino’s regional president John Koster, and she would be fired.

    She said when she reported the alleged assault to Harrah’s security chief, he told her she was “over reacting,” that “most girls would feel lucky to get to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger” and that “Koster would love you even more if he knew about this.”

    The lawsuit said that from August to December she was treated at five hospitals for depression and anxiety stemming from the alleged assault, and returned to work each time after treatment.

    Houston said her medical records will be admissible because she made her treatment an issue in the lawsuit.

    “The big question is when she first checked in (to the hospital) did her medical records show that she said ‘I got raped by Ben and that’s why I’m here?”’ he said. “If she didn’t share a true medical diagnostic from the start, I think she’s going to be sunk.”

    The suit claims Harrah’s security chief gained the trust of her parents while she was hospitalized and persuaded them to give him a key to her home. It said the chief and others entered her home and erased data from her computer and confiscated it.

    “It’s a very unusual case because she is accusing not just Roethlisberger of rape but also Harrah’s of orchestrating a conspiracy, sneaking into her room a la Watergate to erase and destroy evidence,” said Jason Maloney, vice president of Levick Strategic Communications, a Washington D.C.-based “crisis communication” consulting firm for athletes and entertainers. “Is it true? It could be true. It is definitely bizarre.”

    Maloney said the statement Roethlisberger made Thursday was “unusually strong.”

    “It’s something you don’t often see in a lot of cases like this. Athletes mishandle this sort of thing all the time. I think it is a sign of a confident defendant,” he said.

    Reno lawyer Ken McKenna represented a cocktail waitress at Harrah’s Reno who challenged the company’s policy requiring women to wear makeup while on duty—a case that went to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals before she lost in 2006.

    “It is difficult for the employee to go up against the big employers, especially the gaming employers in the state of Nevada, no question about it” he said, recalling the difficulty he had in persuading any of the woman’s co-workers to come forward with evidence. “They fear retaliation.”

    Houston said alleged sexual assault victims traditionally have won sympathy from juries, especially in civil cases where the burden of proof is “clear and convincing” evidence, unlike a criminal case where the guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

    But he said that has changed in recent years “because people are so conditioned to watching celebrities be hit by folks who just want to get into their pocket—especially after Kobe Bryant and the Duke lacrosse team.”

    McKenna said Nevada judges have a reputation for dismissing such cases before they go to trial.

    “The question is not what will a jury think or can you win in front of a jury, but can you get through the process to get past the judge in a system that has a high propensity to rule in favor of the employer.”

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  • Jigawatts
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    • May 2008
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    #2
    Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

    Ben's not paying.
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    • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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      • May 2008
      • 8361

      #3
      Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

      Some of these things should make this an open and shut case very quickly when/if it comes to trial:

      Originally posted by fordfixer
      Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

      By SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer 5 hours, 58 minutes ago

      [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=App5OhiP2lK7r56sj8JsI8dDubYF?slug=ap-roethlisbergerlawsuit&prov=ap&type=lgns"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns[/url]

      RENO, Nev. (AP)—... The suit filed in Reno last week also accuses Harrah’s officials of covering up the alleged assault and going to great lengths to silence her after she says she reported it the next day to the hotel’s security chief.


      If she did this, there ought to be some kind of record of that, like a sign in sheet, or a secretary's office schedule. If one is produced and her name is not on there, end of story.


      Originally posted by fordfixer
      ...The suit claims Harrah’s security chief gained the trust of her parents while she was hospitalized and persuaded them to give him a key to her home. It said the chief and others entered her home and erased data from her computer and confiscated it.

      “It’s a very unusual case because she is accusing not just Roethlisberger of rape but also Harrah’s of orchestrating a conspiracy, sneaking into her room a la Watergate to erase and destroy evidence,” said Jason Maloney, vice president of Levick Strategic Communications, a Washington D.C.-based “crisis communication” consulting firm for athletes and entertainers. “Is it true? It could be true. It is definitely bizarre.”


      What? First he erased the data, THEN he confiscated it? That's one thorough dude She didn't have a password on her computer to keep Harrah out even if they had a front door key? Was there a police report of the computer being (first altered) then stolen? How did she know it wasn't just stolen? If this is what the lawyer actually put in his complaint, he woudn't seem to be Perry Mason, Jr., would he?

      Taken as a whole, some of these claims are so bizarre and unusual, but would be expected to be fairly easily verifiable. I think either this won't make it past an opening judge, or it will be very bad for Ben. My big money (this is Vegas, after all!) is that it will be shown that this unfortunate girl has deep-seated emotional problems and was being manipulated by those who would benefit from her winning big $$, and it won't have any effect on Ben's endorsements.

      How it affects his playing time will in large part be determined by how his parents brought him up, and Coach Tomlin.

      Just my


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      • stlrz d
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        • May 2008
        • 9244

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        Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

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        Multiple defendants called good strategy
        Saturday, July 25, 2009
        Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

        It is a good legal strategy for the woman accusing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault to have named as defendants a number of fellow employees at Harrah's Lake Tahoe Resort.

        Several lawyers said that by including multiple defendants, it increases the woman's chances of recovering some money in damages.

        "It's more pockets to get into, potentially," said local attorney Michael O'Day. "You just throw a huge net out there and figure eventually, someone's going to pay you."

        Besides naming Mr. Roethlisberger, the woman also filed claims against the hotel's president, chief of security, vice president of human resources and employee relations manager, among others. There are a total of nine named defendants.

        The civil suit spells out a number of claims in addition to sexual assault, such as intentional infliction of emotional distress, invasion of privacy and defamation.

        What he expects could happen is that one or two defendants who feel they are at risk by going to trial will instead agree to settle.

        "Someone's going to break down and pay."


        George Bochanis, a long-time plaintiff's attorney in Las Vegas, said there's a good reason why the woman did not name the Harrah's hotel chain.

        Under state law in Nevada, a person is precluded from suing her employer unless she can show there was specific intent to injure.

        "She would have to prove deliberate, wanton, malicious, purposeful behavior to prevail on punitive damages," Mr. Bochanis said. "It's more than just negligence."

        First published on July 25, 2009 at 12:00 am
        Yeah, there's no way she's in it just for the money.

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        • Jooser
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          • Jul 2008
          • 5102

          #5
          Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

          Originally posted by stlrz d
          http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09206/986388-66.stm

          Multiple defendants called good strategy
          Saturday, July 25, 2009
          Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

          It is a good legal strategy for the woman accusing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault to have named as defendants a number of fellow employees at Harrah's Lake Tahoe Resort.

          Several lawyers said that by including multiple defendants, it increases the woman's chances of recovering some money in damages.

          "It's more pockets to get into, potentially," said local attorney Michael O'Day. "You just throw a huge net out there and figure eventually, someone's going to pay you."

          Besides naming Mr. Roethlisberger, the woman also filed claims against the hotel's president, chief of security, vice president of human resources and employee relations manager, among others. There are a total of nine named defendants.

          The civil suit spells out a number of claims in addition to sexual assault, such as intentional infliction of emotional distress, invasion of privacy and defamation.

          What he expects could happen is that one or two defendants who feel they are at risk by going to trial will instead agree to settle.

          "Someone's going to break down and pay."


          George Bochanis, a long-time plaintiff's attorney in Las Vegas, said there's a good reason why the woman did not name the Harrah's hotel chain.

          Under state law in Nevada, a person is precluded from suing her employer unless she can show there was specific intent to injure.

          "She would have to prove deliberate, wanton, malicious, purposeful behavior to prevail on punitive damages," Mr. Bochanis said. "It's more than just negligence."

          First published on July 25, 2009 at 12:00 am
          Yeah, there's no way she's in it just for the money.
          That article strengthens my "shot-gun" theory about her strategy. Nice find d.
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          • RuthlessBurgher
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            • May 2008
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            Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

            I think the most important nugget is this:

            McKenna said Nevada judges have a reputation for dismissing such cases before they go to trial.

            “The question is not what will a jury think or can you win in front of a jury, but can you get through the process to get past the judge in a system that has a high propensity to rule in favor of the employer.”
            Why would Ben (or any of the other 9 people named) want to give her some sort of monetary settlement when there is a pretty decent possibility that a judge will throw out the case before it even gets to the trial stage?
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            • steelcityrules!!
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              • May 2008
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              Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

              she shouldn't get a dime.
              his statement was pretty damn strong, and his defense seems poised to rival the 2008 lebeau-led stillers.

              It would be great to see all sides of the defense bristle up, have it chopped down early by a judge, and then slap a strong defamation suit on her...

              If this is allowed to happen, people will continue to do it.
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              • Discipline of Steel
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                • Aug 2008
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                Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                I think the most important nugget is this:

                McKenna said Nevada judges have a reputation for dismissing such cases before they go to trial.

                “The question is not what will a jury think or can you win in front of a jury, but can you get through the process to get past the judge in a system that has a high propensity to rule in favor of the employer.”
                Why would Ben (or any of the other 9 people named) want to give her some sort of monetary settlement when there is a pretty decent possibility that a judge will throw out the case before it even gets to the trial stage?
                Yes, but if it does get past that point, the stakes go up dramatically. Paying her to go away will cost a lot more.
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                • RuthlessBurgher
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                  • May 2008
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                  Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

                  Originally posted by Discipline of Steel
                  Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                  I think the most important nugget is this:

                  McKenna said Nevada judges have a reputation for dismissing such cases before they go to trial.

                  “The question is not what will a jury think or can you win in front of a jury, but can you get through the process to get past the judge in a system that has a high propensity to rule in favor of the employer.”
                  Why would Ben (or any of the other 9 people named) want to give her some sort of monetary settlement when there is a pretty decent possibility that a judge will throw out the case before it even gets to the trial stage?
                  Yes, but if it does get past that point, the stakes go up dramatically. Paying her to go away will cost a lot more.
                  If someone accused me of such a thing, and I did not do it, there is no way on God's green Earth that I would pay someone who tried to drag my good name through the mud one red cent. I wouldn't care what the stakes were or how much it cost. Even if it cost 10 times as much in lawyer's fees to prove the allegations false than it would be to pay her to make it go away, I would fight to clear my name. No doubt about it. None whatsoever.
                  Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                  Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                  We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                  We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                  • pittpete
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                    • Aug 2008
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                    Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

                    If someone accused me of such a thing, and I did not do it, there is no way on God's green Earth that I would pay someone who tried to drag my good name through the mud one red cent. I wouldn't care what the stakes were or how much it cost. Even if it cost 10 times as much in lawyer's fees to prove the allegations false than it would be to pay her to make it go away, I would fight to clear my name. No doubt about it. None whatsoever.
                    Amen
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                    • Starlifter
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                      • May 2008
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                      Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

                      2.5 million a year in endorsements is a helluvalot of money - but compared to other athletes i don't think it's that much. in other words ben may decide even if he loses half it's still worth it to fight and preserve his reputation. i think his lawyer tells her to pound sand and you bet - we'll settle this in court.
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                      • fordfixer
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                        • May 2008
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                        Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

                        Originally posted by Starlifter
                        2.5 million a year in endorsements is a helluvalot of money - but compared to other athletes i don't think it's that much. in other words ben may decide even if he loses half it's still worth it to fight and preserve his reputation. i think his lawyer tells her to pound sand and you bet - we'll settle this in court.

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                        • grotonsteel
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                          • Jul 2008
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                          Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

                          I don't think issue here is money but is Big Ben willing to spend time fighting this case in court. I think it will definitely take a toll on Big Ben mentally and it could affect him on field.

                          I read somewhere it might take a year for this civil suit to go in court. Big Ben should not have issues this year but next year when this civil suit is in court it will impact Big Ben a lot since he will be spending his energy and time to fight it in court. I think spending time in court hearings will be a bigger distraction for Big Ben unless its offseason.

                          I believe Big Ben is innocent and i would like Big Ben to fight this civil suit if it goes to court but i think in larger interest it would be better if Big Ben pay that dumb beeyotch.

                          I hope Big Ben take this incident as lesson learnt (never hit a f***ing beaver) and stick with girls like Missy going forward.
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                          • stlrz d
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                            • May 2008
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                            Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

                            Paying her off would be foolish. At best.

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                            • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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                              • May 2008
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                              #15
                              Re: Legal experts: Big Ben may pay even if innocent

                              Unfortunately, now that the cat is out of the bag (or the porpoise has been parked), there are only no-win options for Ben.

                              1) Pay her off to "avoid publicity" - first, think of Michael Jackson. That guy may have been innocent for all we know, but paying those parents off sure helped convict him in the public's eye.

                              Nextaying her off would be like putting up a giant neon sign to others he may have spent tender moments with ..."Welcome to 'Big Ben's Set-You-Up-For-Life' Law Firm - are you a photogenic and sympathy-inducing girl who was ever alone with Ben R.? If so call us now - no consultation fee required!!!". There will be lots more crawling out from under rocks if he pays her off IMO. So - pay her off = bad option.

                              2) Don't pay her off, go to court, a.k.a. the "I'm gonna defend my good name, darn it!" option. "Well yes, ladies and gentleman of the jury, we did meet that just that day, and we did have monkey s*x that night, but I didn't do what she says I did at all, and really, I'm just a good guy from Ohio, and besides I wanted to watch Sports Center ...". There goes the Wheaties endorsement, and about a zillion others. So - don't pay her off = bad option.

                              Uggh. BTW - is Kobe still getting endorsements?


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