Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

[feltdizz]

Re: Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

no one can blame Arians for the Jags loss in the wild card when Ben had 3 INT's in the first half...

that in itself shows blind allegiance..

seriously.. when you look at the schedule last year most of you guys sound like Madden FF type fans in ripping Arians.. dude isn't the greatest but he isn't the worst.

we won 12 games in the regular season and another SB... we played the NFC East and the Titans, Chargers 2X, Pats and the Ravens 3 times..

just sayin'

[Oviedo]

Re: Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

Ok we are now gonna argue about 2007-08, Arians first year on the job? Ok, I guess I was mistaken that this argument is unable to be won.

Arians supporters only need to say "scoreboard", the Steelers, his team, won the Super Bowl. Do I give him all the credit for that? No, but at the same time he had a hand in number 7, and without insider info, you don't know what part he played or whether he was a detriment. You don't know if Arians is Tomlins puppet, or if Rooney is calling the plays from the booth. But you do know that the Steelers won the Championship, Arians was the OC, and everything else is speculation at best.

My question to those who continue to bash the OC even after he was a part of a Championship season, Do you really think that you are smarter and know more about football than a guy who has been coaching in the NFL for 20 years, was a QB at VA Tech, and Coached under Bear Bryant? I understand the dissention, and I question play calls, and I also, (especially during the Philly game last year), cuss the SOB, but they are not winning inspite of the guy. Now are there better guys who could be OC? I am sure there are, but as long as we are winning championships or going deep in the playoffs, you will never find out. Then when a change is made you end up with an OC genius like Kevin Gibride, who by all accounts is an offensive genius, except when he was our OC. That fact only leads me to believe that it's not really about the OC, it's about being able to execute what the OC is drawing up. Games are won by players, not coaches. Coaches direct, teach and motivate players, and if we are winning he is doing his job.

The last question I have would be to ask the guys who dislike Arians and the fact that we don't use a old school fullback anymore in favor of a two tight set. If Big Ben said he liked it better because it gave him more options, would you still hate it? On a side note I come from a power running background where I played fullback, and I miss the Kreiders and Witmans and Lesters, but what if that was Ben's decision? Would you still be hating on Arians?

There's no way I'm trying to imply that I've got a higher football IQ or more accumulated knowledge than Arians. I spent six years as a high school coach and a lifetime of playing and watching to boot...not exactly a resume that I could stack up against his. This is simply about the man's philosophies not fitting our talent and his penchant for not being able to consistently call effective plays. I arrive at my opinion based on the offensive results and not what I perceive to be the right call from our playbook. The evidence I'm tossing out has to do with our quarterback getting killed for two years with little variance in style to compensate. It has to do with our offense getting bogged down for long stretches in nearly every game, yet coming alive in the last two minutes or on the rare occasions we run the no-huddle. It has to do with seeing Parker in single back sets being jammed between the tackles far more than getting him on the edge. It has to do with the fact that we are incredibly talented on offense (with the noted exception of the line) yet ranked in the bottom half of the league statistically...and that's also with a big assist by our top-ranked defense. It has to do with a combination of many things and it traces his ineffective legacy back to Cleveland and even Temple.

Scoreboard doesn't do anything to address these points, it only serves to say that with all of the other pieces in place it was good enough this past season. Without late game heroics by number 7 and the offense (when Arians is normally removed from play-calling) it wouldn't have been. We could have easily wasted one of the all-time great defenses...even the Rats with Trent Dilfer couldn't do that.

I love how nearly all of you guys who support Arians acknowledge that he isn't the best OC in the league. Why is that? What are you seeing that knocks him down a peg or two on the coordinator food chain? Well, whatever that is, I see it too and I'm just not willing to let a championship make me look the other way.

I agree with your assessment the other day SD. This is a difficult argument to win because none of us are in the huddle or privy to the tools needed to truly evaluate the job. I'm formulating my opinion on the trail of breadcrumbs I see and if someone else wants to look at different evidence, that's their perogotive. I just want to reitterate that I'm not, nor have been calling for his job (with a couple of momentary exceptions) and I'm not hoping that he fails this season just to make me right. I hope the guy is finally able to get a stronger match between what he wants to do and what are players do best and we raise up Lombardi number 7.

You bring up a good point about talent and I think some of the problems we see on offense is an artifact of transitioning to a new wide open offense that takes advanatage of ben but still having some talent that was suited to Cowher's way of doing things. This is not a one year transition because of contracts and needing to acquire and develop players that are better fits for what Arians is trying to do. I think we see a big step forward this year.

[Captain Lemming]

Re: Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

You need to lay off the Maui Wowie Lemming...you could not be more wrong.

Are you sure? I could not be more wrong? Lets see.

You said:

I think NKy misspoke (or mistyped...or misremembered) when he was talking about the adjustments the 2nd half.

Translation:
When I said he was incorrect I was right.

Our defense and running attack were decimated in that game, our special teams back then were anything but special, and Tomlin did indeed whip out one of the all-time worst coaching decisions I've ever seen.

You agree with me again.

As far as Ben, well he threw the three picks in the first half, but was brilliant the rest of the way.

You again admit that I was factually correct. I agree Ben played awesome at the end. That is what happens when the OC makes the proper adjustments.

I really love how you can spread the blame all over the place (and rightfully so),

Agree again.

but leave out perhaps the most egregious offender in that game.

Florida, you just admitted:

Our defense and running attack were decimated in that game, our special teams back then were anything but special, and Tomlin did indeed whip out one of the all-time worst coaching decisions I've ever seen.

We had no run game
We had no a pathetic oline
the QB threw three first half picks

And we scored 29 despite the challenges above.

If you can average 29 with a great line, and a great running game you have an elite offense. It was supposed to be 31.

We would have had 31, if we Just kicked the extra points.

A top defense gives up that late lead, because off letting a QB run for 30 on 4th down.

We scored more any Steeler Season average that I can recall. We gave up nearly twice our season average.

Think about it this way, what would you think if you knew the Steelers would average four TDs and a field goal every playoff? Would you be disappointed?
Now ask yourself would you be happy with giving up 24 points on average?

We lose 7-3 I aint ever gonna lay the loss on the defensive coach. The defense did what it needs to do to win. Conversely, if we lose with both teams at around 30 I lay the loss more on the defense.

With the talent we have on defense and the coaching prowess on that side we should never score 30 and lose.

I don't know what your fascination with Arians is, but your myopic defense of him is bordering on the ridiculous. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's starting to make you look foolish.

Look at the cartoon Lemming.
"Steeler Defender"
I am defending BA because there is a ridiculous amount of criticism of him.
Look closely. I have said in this thread that Lebeau is a better coach. I love the Job Tomlin is doing. Of the three Arians is most expendable.

Nevertheless, he has contributed to our championship. Of the three coaches he is the least responsible for the loss to the Jags.

He contributed because his offense has yet to be stopped in the playoffs.
You think that this is easy?
How soon we forget that our offense would struggle almost every year in the postseason.

[Captain Lemming]

Re: Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

Smith was out, if I recall (know he missed time, but don't recall if he was out or back for that game). And that fact alone hampered our D.

Smith? You talkin Smith?
We lose our 2nd best safety, heck our second best "Smith" on defense, one guy and we can't slow the Jags?

How many times (including this past season) should they have to win the game?

Newsflash dude, we win 10-7 tell me "the defense" won the game.

When the offense just scored three tds in one quarter to take the lead, allowing the 31st Jag point it is blowing the game.

I get your point.
As long as they are outscored it is always the fault of the offensive play calling.

[Flasteel]

Re: Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

You need to lay off the Maui Wowie Lemming...you could not be more wrong.

Are you sure? I could not be more wrong? Lets see.

You said:
[quote:u2qdas3k]I think NKy misspoke (or mistyped...or misremembered) when he was talking about the adjustments the 2nd half.

Translation:
When I said he was incorrect I was right.

Our defense and running attack were decimated in that game, our special teams back then were anything but special, and Tomlin did indeed whip out one of the all-time worst coaching decisions I've ever seen.

You agree with me again.

As far as Ben, well he threw the three picks in the first half, but was brilliant the rest of the way.

You again admit that I was factually correct. I agree Ben played awesome at the end. That is what happens when the OC makes the proper adjustments.

I really love how you can spread the blame all over the place (and rightfully so),

Agree again.

but leave out perhaps the most egregious offender in that game.

Florida, you just admitted:

Our defense and running attack were decimated in that game, our special teams back then were anything but special, and Tomlin did indeed whip out one of the all-time worst coaching decisions I've ever seen.

We had no run game
We had no a pathetic oline
the QB threw three first half picks

And we scored 29 despite the challenges above.

If you can average 29 with a great line, and a great running game you have an elite offense. It was supposed to be 31.

We would have had 31, if we Just kicked the extra points.

A top defense gives up that late lead, because off letting a QB run for 30 on 4th down.

We scored more any Steeler Season average that I can recall. We gave up nearly twice our season average.

Think about it this way, what would you think if you knew the Steelers would average four TDs and a field goal every playoff? Would you be disappointed?
Now ask yourself would you be happy with giving up 24 points on average?

We lose 7-3 I aint ever gonna lay the loss on the defensive coach. The defense did what it needs to do to win. Conversely, if we lose with both teams at around 30 I lay the loss more on the defense.

With the talent we have on defense and the coaching prowess on that side we should never score 30 and lose.

I don't know what your fascination with Arians is, but your myopic defense of him is bordering on the ridiculous. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's starting to make you look foolish.

Look at the cartoon Lemming.
"Steeler Defender"
I am defending BA because there is a ridiculous amount of criticism of him.
Look closely. I have said in this thread that Lebeau is a better coach. I love the Job Tomlin is doing. Of the three Arians is most expendable.

Nevertheless, he has contributed to our championship. Of the three coaches he is the least responsible for the loss to the Jags.

He contributed because his offense has yet to be stopped in the playoffs.
You think that this is easy?
How soon we forget that our offense would struggle almost every year in the postseason.[/quote:u2qdas3k]

Okay...you could be more wrong.

[NorthCoast]

Re: Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

At the risk of making them sound intelligent, I can count on one hand the number of times an announcer made the comment "gee, that was a really well-designed play" when referring to our offense in the last two years.

On the other hand, those kinds of comments are routinely made about the defense....

[grotonsteel]

Re: Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

no one can blame Arians for the Jags loss in the wild card when Ben had 3 INT's in the first half...

Steelers D also laid a big egg in that game. They could not stop David gerrad on 4th and 1. Steelers D made David Gerrad look like Michael Vick on that play...

BTW if i am not mistaken David gerrad too threw 2 INTS in that game.

[grotonsteel]

Re: Fans who blame the Offensive Coordinator are Stupid

With a better O-line and healthy Rashard Mendenhall Steelers Offense should look much better this season. Bruce Arians is taking Steelers O in right direction. Bruce Arians need to be more creative on goal line offense though.