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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    OTA VI Update

    For all you naysayers see the paragraph in bold and underlined below

    Also interesting Starks comment.

    By Jim Wexell
    SteelCityInsider.com
    Posted May 26, 2009


    Draft day has come and gone and the Steelers have, reportedly, made all the right moves toward repeating as world champions.


    TUESDAY, MAY 26

    3:30 p.m.: In Saturday's Tribune-Review, Max Starks said that he hasn't been offered a multi-year deal yet by the Steelers. Today a top source with the Steelers said the Steelers have indeed offered Starks a long-term deal.

    "He should communicate with his agent better if that's what he's saying," the source said. "I'd like to see the context in which he was quoted."

    The Steelers are confident the sides will come to an agreement on a long-term deal with Starks before training camp. The source said the team isn't involved in any other serious contract negotiations because of Starks' current $8.4 million salary and its strain on the cap.

    "We need to get the number down," he said. "And he's getting married and wants long-term security."

    * OTA Session V was the workout in Washington D.C., and for Session VI the attendance was down a bit. Still out are the two starting safeties, as well as backup Tyrone Carter. So Roy Lewis and Ryan Mundy played with the first team at safety. They got help from cornerback Keiwan Ratliff, since emergency safety Deshea Townsend was also out. Hines Ward mentored a WR corps that also missed Santonio Holmes. Limas Sweed and Dallas Baker were the starting wideouts. Martin Nance returned to practice, but in a limited capacity. Defensive linemen Casey Hampton and Brett Keisel were also absent.

    * Because of rain, the team practiced indoors and the punt return session was hampered. The roof is only so high, so Joe Burnett, Stefan Logan and Shaun McDonald had to pretend to catch a lot of kicks.

    * Yes, I'm reporting on phantom punt returns by three guys who weren't on the team last year. You get it all here at SteelCityInsider.com.

    * The rookie D-linemen -- Ziggy Hood and Sonny Harris -- did some work in a 4-3 alignment, bringing up the question again of whether Mike Tomlin is looking to convert to his more familiar 4-3 Chuck Noll defense that he learned from Tony Dungy in Tampa. Hood, after all, is better suited for a 4-3, so maybe that's what's on the back burner, particularly if Casey Hampton and James Farrior are in their final year or two.

    * The opposite of Catch of the Day: Steven Black, two-time winner in the only two days of the award, dropped a pass today. Otherwise, the best Run After the Catch of the Day came from rookie Mike Wallace, who went high to haul in a short pass before darting down the sideline. He made a few jukes and showed enough quickness to get a pat on the hat from Tomlin.

    * Willie Parker's spending a lot of time working on his receiving. He was off to the side with a coach today and looked like Ike Taylor a few springs ago.

    * Speaking of the backfield, Rashard Mendenhall is looking beastly. He was Hard Charging Rashard today, with his knees up high and those big, thick forearms wrapped around the ball in an agressive looking-to-hit-someone posture.


    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"
  • ramblinjim
    Pro Bowler
    • Jun 2008
    • 1278

    #2
    Re: OTA VI Update

    I like the idea of Mendenhall looking for people to hit. Hope he plays well this year. Interesting idea on the 4-3 perspective. It could be an interesting couple of years.

    Thank you for posting!
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    • costanza2k1
      Hall of Famer
      • Mar 2008
      • 2579

      #3
      Re: OTA VI Update

      Thanks for posting O, here's the notes from Lolly's blog:

      [url="http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/2009/05/week-2-otas-begin.html"]http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com ... begin.html[/url]

      Tuesday, May 26, 2009
      Week 2 OTAs begin
      As promised, I watched Rashard Mendenhall a little more closely today as the Steelers began their second week of OTAs.

      Mendenhall looked good on the inside running plays and made an excellent cut on one play in particular, doing a nice jump stop and change of direction.

      He looks like he's running with more confidence.

      © I hadn't noticed it before, but former Canadian Football League star Stefan Logan was working as a wide receiver.

      The 5-6 Logan, dubbed "Half-Pint" by his teammates, was an explosive running back in the CFL, but probably wouldn't have the size to contribute at that position in the NFL.

      He'll be fighting a numbers game no matter where he lines up, but playing wide receiver would give him a better chance of making this team.

      © The Steelers did some work out of a 4-3 defense at times today.

      That should get the internet posters going.

      © I almost forgot this one, but it was interesting.

      Former center Jeff Hartings was in the building today and I barely recognized him. Hartings looks like he's down to about 220 pounds.
      Posted by Dale Lolley at 2:18 PM
      ours is not to wonder why just invert and multiply...

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      • SteelCzar76
        Starter
        • Mar 2009
        • 655

        #4
        Re: OTA VI Update

        * The rookie D-linemen -- Ziggy Hood and Sonny Harris -- did some work in a 4-3 alignment, bringing up the question again of whether Mike Tomlin is looking to convert to his more familiar 4-3 Chuck Noll defense that he learned from Tony Dungy in Tampa. Hood, after all, is better suited for a 4-3, so maybe that's what's on the back burner, particularly if Casey Hampton and James Farrior are in their final year or two.
        I've been saying that Tomlin more than likely has plans for switching to a 4-3 since he drafted pumba (Timmons) I would not be surprised in the slightest by such a change now especially in light of the fact that he drafted two very mediocre 4-3 interior lineman this year. (Hood and Harris)

        I have no illusions about the fact that he (Tomlin) indeed wants to prove that can be successful running his version of a Tampa 2 defense featuring starters that are "his guys",...ie: not exceptionally gifted and or productive,...but indeed ordinary as a bowl of grits.(Grits,..which oddly enough have nothing to do with football in a sense of keeping ones team from being outclassed via lack of on field talent)
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        "We’ll have a mix-and-match concept that hopefully will see us through.” ~Tomlin

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        • Chavezz
          Backup
          • May 2008
          • 465

          #5
          Re: OTA VI Update

          I think we go to a 43D personally and thought so for the last 2 years. Once Hampton and A. Smith call it a day we have lost the thing that made our 34D more successful than any other 34D. A run stuffing front 3 that ties up 4-5 blockers every play.

          Also LeBeau isn't going to coach forever and when he goes, there won't be anymore franchise ties so to speak, to the 34D.
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          • stlrz d
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 9244

            #6
            Re: OTA VI Update

            Originally posted by SteelCzar76
            * The rookie D-linemen -- Ziggy Hood and Sonny Harris -- did some work in a 4-3 alignment, bringing up the question again of whether Mike Tomlin is looking to convert to his more familiar 4-3 Chuck Noll defense that he learned from Tony Dungy in Tampa. Hood, after all, is better suited for a 4-3, so maybe that's what's on the back burner, particularly if Casey Hampton and James Farrior are in their final year or two.
            I've been saying that Tomlin more than likely has plans for switching to a 4-3 since he drafted pumba (Timmons) I would not be surprised in the slightest by such a change now especially in light of the fact that he drafted two very mediocre 4-3 interior lineman this year. (Hood and Harris)

            I have no illusions about the fact that he (Tomlin) indeed wants to prove that can be successful running his version of a Tampa 2 defense featuring starters that are "his guys",...ie: not exceptionally gifted and or productive,...but indeed ordinary as a bowl of grits.(Grits,..which oddly enough have nothing to do with football in a sense of keeping ones team from being outclassed via lack of on field talent)

            *yawn*

            Originally posted by Dale Lolley

            © The Steelers did some work out of a 4-3 defense at times today.

            That should get the internet posters going.
            You don't say Dale...you don't say....

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            • Slapstick
              Rookie
              • May 2008
              • 0

              #7
              Re: OTA VI Update

              Originally posted by SteelCzar76
              I have no illusions about the fact that he (Tomlin) indeed wants to prove that can be successful running his version of a Tampa 2 defense featuring starters that are "his guys",...ie: not exceptionally gifted and or productive,...
              RIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

              Because successful coaches want players that are neither gifted nor productive...

              Do you even think about what you post before you post it?

              Please, click the "preview" button and read your post before you click "submit"...

              Thank you...
              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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              • RuthlessBurgher
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 33208

                #8
                Re: OTA VI Update

                Originally posted by Slapstick
                Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                I have no illusions about the fact that he (Tomlin) indeed wants to prove that can be successful running his version of a Tampa 2 defense featuring starters that are "his guys",...ie: not exceptionally gifted and or productive,...
                RIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

                Because successful coaches want players that are neither gifted nor productive...

                Do you even think about what you post before you post it?

                Please, click the "preview" button and read your post before you click "submit"...

                Thank you...
                Didn't you know that every player drafted by the Steelers since Cowher left is as ordinary as a bowl of grits?

                Except Woodley, of course. Woodley is as ordinary as a cattle trough of grits.

                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #9
                  Re: OTA VI Update

                  Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                  * The rookie D-linemen -- Ziggy Hood and Sonny Harris -- did some work in a 4-3 alignment, bringing up the question again of whether Mike Tomlin is looking to convert to his more familiar 4-3 Chuck Noll defense that he learned from Tony Dungy in Tampa. Hood, after all, is better suited for a 4-3, so maybe that's what's on the back burner, particularly if Casey Hampton and James Farrior are in their final year or two.
                  I've been saying that Tomlin more than likely has plans for switching to a 4-3 since he drafted pumba (Timmons) I would not be surprised in the slightest by such a change now especially in light of the fact that he drafted two very mediocre 4-3 interior lineman this year. (Hood and Harris)

                  I have no illusions about the fact that he (Tomlin) indeed wants to prove that can be successful running his version of a Tampa 2 defense featuring starters that are "his guys",...ie: not exceptionally gifted and or productive,...but indeed ordinary as a bowl of grits.(Grits,..which oddly enough have nothing to do with football in a sense of keeping ones team from being outclassed via lack of on field talent)
                  Wow!!! A conspiracy to destroy the Steelers from within that only you can see. Thanks Oliver Stone. I'lll wait for the movie version.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • papillon
                    Legend
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 11340

                    #10
                    Re: OTA VI Update

                    Originally posted by Chavezz
                    I think we go to a 43D personally and thought so for the last 2 years. Once Hampton and A. Smith call it a day we have lost the thing that made our 34D more successful than any other 34D. A run stuffing front 3 that ties up 4-5 blockers every play.

                    Also LeBeau isn't going to coach forever and when he goes, there won't be anymore franchise ties so to speak, to the 34D.
                    The only thing tied to the 34 is winning.

                    Pappy
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                    The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                    1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                    3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                    3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                    4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                    5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
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                    • Mister Pittsburgh
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3674

                      #11
                      Re: OTA VI Update

                      If there is one thing I think Tomlin stresses.....flexibility. I think he wants to be ready for either running the 4-3 if that suits the personel.....or the 3-4 if that suits our personel. If a stud 3-4 NT that is the BPA is sitting there next year when we pick we probably take him.

                      'Position Flexibility'
                      @_Hellgrammite

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                      • SteelCzar76
                        Starter
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 655

                        #12
                        Re: OTA VI Update

                        Originally posted by Slapstick
                        Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                        I have no illusions about the fact that he (Tomlin) indeed wants to prove that can be successful running his version of a Tampa 2 defense featuring starters that are "his guys",...ie: not exceptionally gifted and or productive,...
                        RIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

                        Because successful coaches want players that are neither gifted nor productive...

                        Do you even think about what you post before you post it?

                        Please, click the "preview" button and read your post before you click "submit"...

                        Thank you...
                        And how about you thinking,...."God i should really get off of SteelCzar's Nutz" before you click "submit" ? I don't care to play grabazz with you sweetheart,....we can agree to disagree and you just keep it moving whenever i post anything that ruffles your Pom Poms.
                        http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/...lCzar76Sig.jpg

                        "We’ll have a mix-and-match concept that hopefully will see us through.” ~Tomlin

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                        • SteelCzar76
                          Starter
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 655

                          #13
                          Re: OTA VI Update

                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                          * The rookie D-linemen -- Ziggy Hood and Sonny Harris -- did some work in a 4-3 alignment, bringing up the question again of whether Mike Tomlin is looking to convert to his more familiar 4-3 Chuck Noll defense that he learned from Tony Dungy in Tampa. Hood, after all, is better suited for a 4-3, so maybe that's what's on the back burner, particularly if Casey Hampton and James Farrior are in their final year or two.
                          I've been saying that Tomlin more than likely has plans for switching to a 4-3 since he drafted pumba (Timmons) I would not be surprised in the slightest by such a change now especially in light of the fact that he drafted two very mediocre 4-3 interior lineman this year. (Hood and Harris)

                          I have no illusions about the fact that he (Tomlin) indeed wants to prove that can be successful running his version of a Tampa 2 defense featuring starters that are "his guys",...ie: not exceptionally gifted and or productive,...but indeed ordinary as a bowl of grits.(Grits,..which oddly enough have nothing to do with football in a sense of keeping ones team from being outclassed via lack of on field talent)
                          Wow!!! A conspiracy to destroy the Steelers from within that only you can see. Thanks Oliver Stone. I'lll wait for the movie version.
                          Nothing personal but,....refer to my response to your babygirl sir.
                          http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/...lCzar76Sig.jpg

                          "We’ll have a mix-and-match concept that hopefully will see us through.” ~Tomlin

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                          • phillyesq
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 7568

                            #14
                            Re: OTA VI Update

                            Originally posted by papillon
                            Originally posted by Chavezz
                            I think we go to a 43D personally and thought so for the last 2 years. Once Hampton and A. Smith call it a day we have lost the thing that made our 34D more successful than any other 34D. A run stuffing front 3 that ties up 4-5 blockers every play.

                            Also LeBeau isn't going to coach forever and when he goes, there won't be anymore franchise ties so to speak, to the 34D.
                            The only thing tied to the 34 is winning.

                            Pappy
                            Well said.

                            Trying to force a conversion from a system that year after year yields excellent results is foolish in my opinion.

                            Tomlin loves flexibility, and this isn't the first time the Steelers have toyed around with 4-3 sets in the offseason. If the Steelers install a 4-3 package into the defense to mix things up from time to time, and give opponents something else to prepare for, that could make a lot of sense. I could also see a 4-3 type set in passing situations with Smith and Hood inside and Woodley and Kiesel/Harrison at DE. For the most part though, I think that this could simply be some offseason experimentation.

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #15
                              Re: OTA VI Update

                              Originally posted by phillyesq
                              Originally posted by papillon
                              Originally posted by Chavezz
                              I think we go to a 43D personally and thought so for the last 2 years. Once Hampton and A. Smith call it a day we have lost the thing that made our 34D more successful than any other 34D. A run stuffing front 3 that ties up 4-5 blockers every play.

                              Also LeBeau isn't going to coach forever and when he goes, there won't be anymore franchise ties so to speak, to the 34D.
                              The only thing tied to the 34 is winning.

                              Pappy
                              Well said.

                              Trying to force a conversion from a system that year after year yields excellent results is foolish in my opinion.

                              Tomlin loves flexibility, and this isn't the first time the Steelers have toyed around with 4-3 sets in the offseason. If the Steelers install a 4-3 package into the defense to mix things up from time to time, and give opponents something else to prepare for, that could make a lot of sense. I could also see a 4-3 type set in passing situations with Smith and Hood inside and Woodley and Kiesel/Harrison at DE. For the most part though, I think that this could simply be some offseason experimentation.
                              We've always used 4 man d-lines in passing situations. It has been a 4-2-5 nickel or a 4-1-6 dime.
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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