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  • steelers43
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    • Apr 2009
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    What I thought we should have done...

    While I can't complain with the draft too much, I would have done a few things different. I liked the move down, loved the Hood pickup, felt Urbik fills a need and Wallace was a nice pickup, I would have done differently from there on,

    1. Ziggy Hood - Clearly the best player left for us imo. Great value, tremendous pick and huge upside. Moves great for a man his size and he may even lose a few pounds and be even quicker. Strength is very good and movement is truly rare.

    3a - Kraig Urbik - Fills a need and gives us a starting guard at best and a backup swing man at worst. Should be at least roster worthy. Who knows, maybe even a possibility of a RT. I really would have liked if we could have moved up for Unger. I think he could have really challenged for RT and started at guard/center. Truly rare to find someone who can play all three positions and do it well.

    3b. - Mike Wallace - Fills a need for returner and has tremendous upside. Truly rare speed and already the fastest guy on the roster imo. If he played at OSU, USC, Texas, Florida, etc., he'd have been a first rounder with much better stats imo. Well, maybe not better stats with OSU and Pryor at QB but you get my point.

    3c. - Terrance Taylor - This is where I disagree on the CB selection. With so many still available, how can you pass on Taylor. He has tremendous move skills for his size and makes plays laterally like a LB at times. He is incredibly strong and can easily afford to put on another 20 lbs as he ages. He'd be our next great NT imo. Think we missed the boat by wasting this opportunity. If Michigan didn't suck, he'd be a first rounder. Also, with Ratliff being signed we have both youth and veteran leadership at the CB position. We have no youth at the NT position.

    5a. - Joe Burnett - Can't argue with this pick. Gives us both a return man and someone to compete for the CB depth.

    5b. - Frank Summers - While I can't help but wonder if Javon Ringer may have been a better pick with Willie done after this year and Mendenhall already a power back, I like what this signifies. It tells us we will be more of a power team or have the FB in more with Mendy/Willy behind him. Back to the power game I can't argue with.

    6. - A.Q. Shipley - Can't argue with this pick but I would have taken him here. Had him rated as a later fourth to fifth player so it was great value and need.

    7a. - Lydon Murtha - Intriguing prospct at tackle. May take a year or two to develop but has tremendous move skills for his size, something if you read this you know I clearly emphasize. Has top 10 OT athleticism but needs time.

    7b. - Ricky Jean-Francois - Another great prospect for the DL but may take some time to develop. Again, great movement skills for his age and strength is good/not great. DR canidate for the left side with Hood being on the right side.

    1. Ziggy Hood DT/DE
    2. William Moore S
    3. Antoine Caldwell C/G
    4. Donald Washington CB
    5. Sammie Lee Hill DT/DE
    5. Terrance Taylor DT
    6. Lydon Murtha OT
    7. Frank Summers RB
    7. Tiquan Underwood WR
  • Mel Blount's G
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    • May 2008
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    Re: What I thought we should have done...

    I wanted Myron Pryor instead of Rashon Harris, who went immediately afterwards to a pats*** team who already drafted Ron Brace. But by steeler thinking if Harris develops and works, he could play both de and NT. While I'm betting pryor is purely NT
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    • SteelerOfDeVille
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      For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

      my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
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      • steelers43
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        • Apr 2009
        • 245

        #4
        Re: What I thought we should have done...

        Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
        For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

        my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
        I don't see Pryor as being in Taylor's class. I think Taylor is a clear steal for the Colts.

        I like Canfield but feel Murtha has potential to be a franchise LT but will take time. Practice squad to ten year starter and worth the risk in round 7.
        1. Ziggy Hood DT/DE
        2. William Moore S
        3. Antoine Caldwell C/G
        4. Donald Washington CB
        5. Sammie Lee Hill DT/DE
        5. Terrance Taylor DT
        6. Lydon Murtha OT
        7. Frank Summers RB
        7. Tiquan Underwood WR

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        • Mel Blount's G
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          • May 2008
          • 1056

          #5
          Re: What I thought we should have done...

          Originally posted by steelers43
          Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
          For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

          my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
          I don't see Pryor as being in Taylor's class. I think Taylor is a clear steal for the Colts.

          I like Canfield but feel Murtha has potential to be a franchise LT but will take time. Practice squad to ten year starter and worth the risk in round 7.
          NE got Pryor after getting Brace the day before and Colts got Taylor after getting Peria Jerry the day before. Wonder if Taylor/Pryor have a real shot of making their teams?
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          • SteelerOfDeVille
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            • May 2008
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            Re: What I thought we should have done...

            Originally posted by steelers43
            Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
            For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

            my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
            I don't see Pryor as being in Taylor's class. I think Taylor is a clear steal for the Colts.

            I like Canfield but feel Murtha has potential to be a franchise LT but will take time. Practice squad to ten year starter and worth the risk in round 7.
            see, i put taylor and pryor in the same league and didn't feel there was much drop off, if any. School recognition (similar to your take on Jackson vs Ziggy). pryor had a field day against Wood, et all in our game....

            only time will tell...
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            • stlrz d
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              • May 2008
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              Re: What I thought we should have done...

              Originally posted by steelers43

              3a - Kraig Urbik - Fills a need and gives us a starting guard at best and a backup swing man at worst. Should be at least roster worthy. Who knows, maybe even a possibility of a RT. I really would have liked if we could have moved up for Unger. I think he could have really challenged for RT and started at guard/center. Truly rare to find someone who can play all three positions and do it well.
              Not sure if you saw it, but someone posted a story that said we tried to trade up to get him once Wood was taken, but no one was willing so we traded back with the Broncos instead.

              Unless you meant you knew that and were just wishing it had worked out that way.

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              • RuthlessBurgher
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                • May 2008
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                Re: What I thought we should have done...

                Originally posted by Mel Blount's G
                Originally posted by steelers43
                Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

                my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
                I don't see Pryor as being in Taylor's class. I think Taylor is a clear steal for the Colts.

                I like Canfield but feel Murtha has potential to be a franchise LT but will take time. Practice squad to ten year starter and worth the risk in round 7.
                NE got Pryor after getting Brace the day before and Colts got Taylor after getting Peria Jerry the day before. Wonder if Taylor/Pryor have a real shot of making their teams?
                The Colts didn't get Jerry...they got Fili Moala in round 2. Their first round pick was RB Donald Brown.
                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • steelers43
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                  • Apr 2009
                  • 245

                  #9
                  Re: What I thought we should have done...

                  Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                  Originally posted by steelers43
                  Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                  For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

                  my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
                  I don't see Pryor as being in Taylor's class. I think Taylor is a clear steal for the Colts.

                  I like Canfield but feel Murtha has potential to be a franchise LT but will take time. Practice squad to ten year starter and worth the risk in round 7.
                  see, i put taylor and pryor in the same league and didn't feel there was much drop off, if any. School recognition (similar to your take on Jackson vs Ziggy). pryor had a field day against Wood, et all in our game....

                  only time will tell...
                  Taylor's move skils are light years above Pryor imo. I've seen Taylor make plays on the sideline, as a 300 lb'er. That's impressive.
                  1. Ziggy Hood DT/DE
                  2. William Moore S
                  3. Antoine Caldwell C/G
                  4. Donald Washington CB
                  5. Sammie Lee Hill DT/DE
                  5. Terrance Taylor DT
                  6. Lydon Murtha OT
                  7. Frank Summers RB
                  7. Tiquan Underwood WR

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                  • steelers43
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                    • Apr 2009
                    • 245

                    #10
                    Re: What I thought we should have done...

                    Originally posted by stlrz d
                    Originally posted by steelers43

                    3a - Kraig Urbik - Fills a need and gives us a starting guard at best and a backup swing man at worst. Should be at least roster worthy. Who knows, maybe even a possibility of a RT. I really would have liked if we could have moved up for Unger. I think he could have really challenged for RT and started at guard/center. Truly rare to find someone who can play all three positions and do it well.
                    Not sure if you saw it, but someone posted a story that said we tried to trade up to get him once Wood was taken, but no one was willing so we traded back with the Broncos instead.

                    Unless you meant you knew that and were just wishing it had worked out that way.
                    I would have taken Unger ahead of Mack and Wood but not Hood.
                    1. Ziggy Hood DT/DE
                    2. William Moore S
                    3. Antoine Caldwell C/G
                    4. Donald Washington CB
                    5. Sammie Lee Hill DT/DE
                    5. Terrance Taylor DT
                    6. Lydon Murtha OT
                    7. Frank Summers RB
                    7. Tiquan Underwood WR

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                    • SteelerOfDeVille
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                      • May 2008
                      • 9069

                      #11
                      Re: What I thought we should have done...

                      Originally posted by steelers43
                      Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                      Originally posted by steelers43
                      Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                      For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

                      my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
                      I don't see Pryor as being in Taylor's class. I think Taylor is a clear steal for the Colts.

                      I like Canfield but feel Murtha has potential to be a franchise LT but will take time. Practice squad to ten year starter and worth the risk in round 7.
                      see, i put taylor and pryor in the same league and didn't feel there was much drop off, if any. School recognition (similar to your take on Jackson vs Ziggy). pryor had a field day against Wood, et all in our game....

                      only time will tell...
                      Taylor's move skils are light years above Pryor imo. I've seen Taylor make plays on the sideline, as a 300 lb'er. That's impressive.
                      again, time will tell. we're talking about a pair of mid-rounders, not a 1st and a 7th.
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                      • Mel Blount's G
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                        • May 2008
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                        Jesus Ruth, I'm feeling senile at this point. Yu of course are right. And being that they are a 4-3 they can both make the team as interior lineman
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                        • steelers43
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                          • Apr 2009
                          • 245

                          #13
                          Re: What I thought we should have done...

                          Originally posted by Mel Blount's G
                          Originally posted by steelers43
                          Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                          For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

                          my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
                          I don't see Pryor as being in Taylor's class. I think Taylor is a clear steal for the Colts.

                          I like Canfield but feel Murtha has potential to be a franchise LT but will take time. Practice squad to ten year starter and worth the risk in round 7.
                          NE got Pryor after getting Brace the day before and Colts got Taylor after getting Peria Jerry the day before. Wonder if Taylor/Pryor have a real shot of making their teams?
                          I'd be shocked if Taylor didn't make it but I wouldn't be surprised if Pryor was cut.
                          1. Ziggy Hood DT/DE
                          2. William Moore S
                          3. Antoine Caldwell C/G
                          4. Donald Washington CB
                          5. Sammie Lee Hill DT/DE
                          5. Terrance Taylor DT
                          6. Lydon Murtha OT
                          7. Frank Summers RB
                          7. Tiquan Underwood WR

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                          • steelers43
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                            • Apr 2009
                            • 245

                            #14
                            Re: What I thought we should have done...

                            Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                            Originally posted by steelers43
                            Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                            Originally posted by steelers43
                            Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                            For the most part, I agree with your logic - instead, I'd have kept the first CB, but, would have gone with Myron Pryor instead of the 2nd CB. Similar outcome, just different guys.

                            my last pick would have been Darry Beckwith or Trevor Canfield. Basically, somebody who actually had a chance to make the team.
                            I don't see Pryor as being in Taylor's class. I think Taylor is a clear steal for the Colts.

                            I like Canfield but feel Murtha has potential to be a franchise LT but will take time. Practice squad to ten year starter and worth the risk in round 7.
                            see, i put taylor and pryor in the same league and didn't feel there was much drop off, if any. School recognition (similar to your take on Jackson vs Ziggy). pryor had a field day against Wood, et all in our game....

                            only time will tell...
                            Taylor's move skils are light years above Pryor imo. I've seen Taylor make plays on the sideline, as a 300 lb'er. That's impressive.
                            again, time will tell. we're talking about a pair of mid-rounders, not a 1st and a 7th.

                            Taylor popped everytime I saw them play Michigan. I think he's easily a top 2-3 round player and a tremendous value.

                            You likely saw more of Pryor than me. I'd take Pryor but not over Taylor.
                            1. Ziggy Hood DT/DE
                            2. William Moore S
                            3. Antoine Caldwell C/G
                            4. Donald Washington CB
                            5. Sammie Lee Hill DT/DE
                            5. Terrance Taylor DT
                            6. Lydon Murtha OT
                            7. Frank Summers RB
                            7. Tiquan Underwood WR

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                            • SteelerOfDeVille
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                              • May 2008
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                              #15
                              Re: What I thought we should have done...

                              Originally posted by steelers43
                              Taylor popped everytime I saw them play Michigan. I think he's easily a top 2-3 round player and a tremendous value.

                              You likely saw more of Pryor than me. I'd take Pryor but not over Taylor.
                              I saw more of Pryor than I wanted to see... all up in Hunter Cantwell's grill - LOL.

                              I think his problem was that he was the guy who got double-teamed on UK's like and his numbers went down...

                              I think both have long futures in the NFL.

                              Remember, my choice of Pryor wasn't exclusively over Taylor - it was coupled with the better CB. I think we both think Taylor is better - the question is to what extent.

                              I felt the difference in the CBs was bigger than the diffrence in the DTs.

                              Both are upfield guys and I'm not convinced that either can slow it down enough to be the NT's we need... while a little short, either might work at DE in the 34.
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