Ashley Lelie Visits the Steelers

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Ashley Lelie Visits the Steelers

[quote=Northern_Blitz][quote="steelcityrules!!":31xtpdmb]

lelie would be a great signing. sweed has proven he cant catch a ball and you cant count on a third rounder to come in and do anything. we need more weapons to make up for ignoring the oline again this year.

first off, lelie has dropped PLENTY of footballs, and has been the classic underachiever in the league. I know from multiple cursed seasons drafting this dude in fantasy land.

And what does that mean really, sweed has PROVEN he can't catch a ball?
you mean as a rook in the playoffs, barely seeing the field all season?

right after his big "drop", he steps up and crushes a DB just like hines taught him, and then catches a critical 3rd down pass I believe for roughly 14 yards.

and we need to make up for ignoring the O-line again?
a top ranked guard and award winning center drafted this year.

If you are going to whine and moan, at least get SOMETHING correct, like we completely ignored depth at safety, or should have signed starks to a solid deal instead of tagging him twice.

true fan...

true hater more like it
[/quote:31xtpdmb]

NFL fans are funny.

On one hand, we have people calling for a 7th rounder to start by the end of the season, if not on day one. On the other hand last year's second rounder is thrown under the bus for making a mistake.

BTW, this is a second rounder that last year we said should have been a first rounder. A guy we absolutely could not pass up. Now we don't think he can handle playing like 20% of the snaps? We can't tell if they kid can play without playing him.[/quote:31xtpdmb]

I predict that Sweed with be just fine as our 3rd WR. Last year, Nate had 40 catches for 631 yards (15.8 average) and 3 TD's. I wouldn't be surprised with a similar performance by Limas.

I think Shipley could challenge for a roster spot, but I doubt that he ever dresses at all during his rookie season. Hartwig will be the starting center, and if he gets hurt, Stapleton would be their second option there. Shipley is a developmental prospect who may compete with Stapleton for the center gig in 2010 if we do not re-sign Hartwig, whose contract is up after this season.

[Oviedo]

Re: Ashley Lelie Visits the Steelers

We should add a vet to the Wide receivers. We have enough young, developing WRs. We need a reliable option in case hines and/or santonio goes down with an injury. We will carry 5 WRs on the 53 man rosters. we currently have 4 legitimate guys NFL talents in Holmes, Wallace, Hines, and Sweed. I don't believe in Baker or Nance.

Baker offers nothing. Nanace is just getting a paycheck as a fvor from his college roommate. I don't think Wallace will be a factor this season and bringing in a vet for a look would make sense. The problem is that a vet who still has the skills that would contribute won't be cheap and that is why I don't see it happening unless it was someone who wanted one last shot at the Super Bowl.

I'd still like to see them consider Mike Furrey.

[ikestops85]

Re: Ashley Lelie Visits the Steelers

[quote=Northern_Blitz][quote="steelcityrules!!":1e1wukir]

lelie would be a great signing. sweed has proven he cant catch a ball and you cant count on a third rounder to come in and do anything. we need more weapons to make up for ignoring the oline again this year.

first off, lelie has dropped PLENTY of footballs, and has been the classic underachiever in the league. I know from multiple cursed seasons drafting this dude in fantasy land.

And what does that mean really, sweed has PROVEN he can't catch a ball?
you mean as a rook in the playoffs, barely seeing the field all season?

right after his big "drop", he steps up and crushes a DB just like hines taught him, and then catches a critical 3rd down pass I believe for roughly 14 yards.

and we need to make up for ignoring the O-line again?
a top ranked guard and award winning center drafted this year.

If you are going to whine and moan, at least get SOMETHING correct, like we completely ignored depth at safety, or should have signed starks to a solid deal instead of tagging him twice.

true fan...

true hater more like it
[/quote:1e1wukir]

NFL fans are funny.

On one hand, we have people calling for a 7th rounder to start by the end of the season, if not on day one. On the other hand last year's second rounder is thrown under the bus for making a mistake.

BTW, this is a second rounder that last year we said should have been a first rounder. A guy we absolutely could not pass up. Now we don't think he can handle playing like 20% of the snaps? We can't tell if they kid can play without playing him.[/quote:1e1wukir]

I must disagree with you on the 2nd rounder. He is not being thrown under the bus for making a mistake. He started dropping passes when he was wide open in the preseason and that trend continued into the regular season culminating with the drop in the Championship game. He then magnifies that mistake by faking an injury which ultimately cost us 3 points in a tight game. So, he's made many mistakes ... not just one. The one that bothers me the most is faking the injury. That just shows a lack of mental toughness in my book.

I personally haven't written off Sweed but I certainly could see how some have. Hopefully those people will be proven wrong but you have to admit he didn't get off to a good start and throwing one block and making a key 3rd down catch doesn't change that.

[frankthetank1]

Re: Ashley Lelie Visits the Steelers

when you cut a guy the money no longer counts against the cap immediately? doesnt it depend on when the guy is cut? i admit im not all that knowledgable when it comes to contracts, salary cap etc.. well in that case a 2 year deal would be fine although im sure the fo is depending on or expecting sweed to develop especially after the next season is over

[papillon]

Re: Ashley Lelie Visits the Steelers

[quote=RuthlessBurgher][quote=Northern_Blitz]

lelie would be a great signing. sweed has proven he cant catch a ball and you cant count on a third rounder to come in and do anything. we need more weapons to make up for ignoring the oline again this year.

first off, lelie has dropped PLENTY of footballs, and has been the classic underachiever in the league. I know from multiple cursed seasons drafting this dude in fantasy land.

And what does that mean really, sweed has PROVEN he can't catch a ball?
you mean as a rook in the playoffs, barely seeing the field all season?

right after his big "drop", he steps up and crushes a DB just like hines taught him, and then catches a critical 3rd down pass I believe for roughly 14 yards.

and we need to make up for ignoring the O-line again?
a top ranked guard and award winning center drafted this year.

If you are going to whine and moan, at least get SOMETHING correct, like we completely ignored depth at safety, or should have signed starks to a solid deal instead of tagging him twice.

true fan...

true hater more like it

NFL fans are funny.

On one hand, we have people calling for a 7th rounder to start by the end of the season, if not on day one. On the other hand last year's second rounder is thrown under the bus for making a mistake.

BTW, this is a second rounder that last year we said should have been a first rounder. A guy we absolutely could not pass up. Now we don't think he can handle playing like 20% of the snaps? We can't tell if they kid can play without playing him.[/quote:ybfevlf2]

I predict that Sweed with be just fine as our 3rd WR. Last year, Nate had 40 catches for 631 yards (15.8 average) and 3 TD's. I wouldn't be surprised with a similar performance by Limas.

I think Shipley could challenge for a roster spot, but I doubt that he ever dresses at all during his rookie season. Hartwig will be the starting center, and if he gets hurt, Stapleton would be their second option there. Shipley is a developmental prospect who may compete with Stapleton for the center gig in 2010 if we do not re-sign Hartwig, whose contract is up after this season.[/quote:ybfevlf2]

Shipley can long snap. Would it be worth keeping him as the long snapper and by default not expose him to the PS? Then when he does take over as the center in 2010 the Steelers will have an extra roster spot, because, there will be no need for a long snapper.

Just sayin...

Pappy

[steelcityrules!!]

Re: Ashley Lelie Visits the Steelers

[quote=True Fan][quote=Oviedo]

lelie would be a great signing. sweed has proven he cant catch a ball and you cant count on a third rounder to come in and do anything. we need more weapons to make up for ignoring the oline again this year.

first off, lelie has dropped PLENTY of footballs, and has been the classic underachiever in the league. I know from multiple cursed seasons drafting this dude in fantasy land.

And what does that mean really, sweed has PROVEN he can't catch a ball?
you mean as a rook in the playoffs, barely seeing the field all season?

right after his big "drop", he steps up and crushes a DB just like hines taught him, and then catches a critical 3rd down pass I believe for roughly 14 yards.

and we need to make up for ignoring the O-line again?
a top ranked guard and award winning center drafted this year.

If you are going to whine and moan, at least get SOMETHING correct, like we completely ignored depth at safety, or should have signed starks to a solid deal instead of tagging him twice.

true fan...

true hater more like it

Well said. Some people are only happy when they aren't happy. Always seeing a glass half empty must TRUEly be a depressing way to be a FAN.[/quote:1wuqta7l]

well, some fans are realistic about their team and others are naive.[/quote:1wuqta7l]

I would agree completely.
saying ashley lelie is going to be a great pickup is being very naive. I believe my comment about him being the classic underachiever is spot on, and absolutely true.

he hasn't broken 500 yards in a season since 2005.

saying we ignored the o-line again isn't naive, it's outright ignorant.
we just drafted two offensive linemen 4 days ago. thats about 1/4 of our entire draft.

Sweed was a rookie, in arguably the most difficult position to transition to in the NFL as a rookie, and had 3 entrenched starters in front of him.
I won't say he's our savior, but saying he's proven he's incapable of catching the ball is just plain hating.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Ashley Lelie Visits the Steelers

[quote=papillon][quote=RuthlessBurgher]

lelie would be a great signing. sweed has proven he cant catch a ball and you cant count on a third rounder to come in and do anything. we need more weapons to make up for ignoring the oline again this year.

first off, lelie has dropped PLENTY of footballs, and has been the classic underachiever in the league. I know from multiple cursed seasons drafting this dude in fantasy land.

And what does that mean really, sweed has PROVEN he can't catch a ball?
you mean as a rook in the playoffs, barely seeing the field all season?

right after his big "drop", he steps up and crushes a DB just like hines taught him, and then catches a critical 3rd down pass I believe for roughly 14 yards.

and we need to make up for ignoring the O-line again?
a top ranked guard and award winning center drafted this year.

If you are going to whine and moan, at least get SOMETHING correct, like we completely ignored depth at safety, or should have signed starks to a solid deal instead of tagging him twice.

true fan...

true hater more like it

NFL fans are funny.

On one hand, we have people calling for a 7th rounder to start by the end of the season, if not on day one. On the other hand last year's second rounder is thrown under the bus for making a mistake.

BTW, this is a second rounder that last year we said should have been a first rounder. A guy we absolutely could not pass up. Now we don't think he can handle playing like 20% of the snaps? We can't tell if they kid can play without playing him.

I predict that Sweed with be just fine as our 3rd WR. Last year, Nate had 40 catches for 631 yards (15.8 average) and 3 TD's. I wouldn't be surprised with a similar performance by Limas.

I think Shipley could challenge for a roster spot, but I doubt that he ever dresses at all during his rookie season. Hartwig will be the starting center, and if he gets hurt, Stapleton would be their second option there. Shipley is a developmental prospect who may compete with Stapleton for the center gig in 2010 if we do not re-sign Hartwig, whose contract is up after this season.[/quote:1vhk4mnb]

Shipley can long snap. Would it be worth keeping him as the long snapper and by default not expose him to the PS? Then when he does take over as the center in 2010 the Steelers will have an extra roster spot, because, there will be no need for a long snapper.

Just sayin...

Pappy[/quote:1vhk4mnb]

Just because he says he can long-snap does not mean that he is as steady as a Greg Warren. All it takes is one snap over Sepulveda's head, or a snap that bounces on its way to Batch the holder, forcing Reed to abort a FG attempt, and we will be cursing the kid out. If JoePa wasn't using Shipley as the full-time long snapper at PSU, I don't foresee Tomlin using Shipley as the full-time long snapper here either. He may be a better back-up LS option than James Harrison if something happens to our regular long-snapper in a game, but I don't think we will be saving a roster spot there anytime soon.