Planet Mock Commentary.

[AkronSteel]

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Wow Ruthless! I really like what you have done for the Rams! Jason Smith, Jamon Meredith, and Jason Brown would all of the sudden make the Rams O-line very formidable! They may actually be able to compete in that division, ok well maybe not but it is definitely a good start! Bravo brother bravo!

Thanks, man! The transformation from the "Greatest Show of Turf" years (now that Ike Bruce and Torry Holt are gone) to the "Grind It Out with Steven Jackson" years is upon us. Plus, I thought getting Brian Cushing in the early second was a bargain BPA type pick, and he should help that defense out as well.

Regarding your drafting thus far, I sure hope Cleveland is not able to get Aaron Curry, Donald Brown, and Jarron Gilbert. That would suck if someone drafting for them actually knew what they were doing for once.

I agree, Cushing was a steal in round 2 for you. I really like that draft alot!

I know what your saying about the Browns. If they add Curry, Brown, and Gilbert they will have had a real good start at rebuilding, heck they may actually be better than any of us hope. Their LB's would be from left to right Wimbley, Jackson, Leon Williams (who I actually like alot), and Curry, that is not too darn bad. Then adding Gilbert upfront to C. Williams, Cry Baby, and the Smith boys isn't too shabby either. I must admit I wasn't around on Friday so Woodley made the Brown pick for me but that is probably who I would have taken any way. I was really hoping that McCoy would have fallen into that slot.....so I have to give some of the kudos to WoT!! The Browns have alot of talent actually and if they have a really solid draft they could actually be the biggest challengers to the Super Bowl Champs (I just like saying that) in the division.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Now that the first two rounds are in the books, we get a glimpse at what might be available for the Steelers on Day 1.

At #32, we could have taken an o-lineman like Alex Mack, Duke Robinson, Max Unger, or Phil Loadholdt. We could have taken a CB like Darius Butler, D.J. Moore, or Coye Francies. We could have taken a d-lineman like Ron Brace or Jarron Gilbert. We could have taken a safety such as Louis Delmas, Sean Smith, or William Moore. We could have taken a WR like Brian Robiskie or Juaquin Iglesias. We could have taken a LB like James Laurinaitus, Brian Cushing, Aaron Maybin, or Larry English.

I think WoodleyofTroy made the best choice here, going with Mack. That is who I would have chosen.

At #64 (if we don't trade up), there appears to be several options. You could go with a tackle such as Jamon Meredith, Troy Kropog, or Fenuki Tupou. You could go with a guard such as Andy Levitre, Herman Johnson, or Kraig Urbik. You could go with a WR such as Derrick Williams or Louis Murphy. You could go with a d-lineman such as Fili Moala, Chris Baker, or Sammie Lee Hill. You could go CB with Macho Harris, Jarius Byrd, or Sherrod Martin.

I think the choice would come down to Moala vs. Meredith. I would lean toward using the second straight pick to help the o-line by selecting Jamon Meredith. It gives us decent depth at OT in 2009, and if they are not able to re-sign Starks or Colon beyond next season, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in 2010 to start Tony Hills in his 3rd year at LT and Jamon Meredith in his 2nd year at RT. I don't think that we would be able to get a similar quality OT prospect to Meredith on day 2, but I still think that there are several other intriguing 3-4 DE prospects that could be had later in the draft if they do not take Moala, such as his USC teammate Kyle Moore, Nebraska's Zach Potter, Stanford's Pannel Egboh, and Northern Iowa's Everette Pendescleaux.

I dont know exactly how accurate that is man...remember that there are some players that were taken in the 2nd who likely will actually go in the first...pushing other players down to us (Cushing+Freeman).

Oh, I know...I'm just playing the "if this is the way it went down, what could/should we have done" game.

[WoodleyofTroy]

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At #64 (if we don't trade up), there appears to be several options. You could go with a tackle such as Jamon Meredith, Troy Kropog, or Fenuki Tupou. You could go with a guard such as Andy Levitre, Herman Johnson, or Kraig Urbik. You could go with a WR such as Derrick Williams or Louis Murphy. You could go with a d-lineman such as Fili Moala, Chris Baker, or Sammie Lee Hill. You could go CB with Macho Harris, Jarius Byrd, or Sherrod Martin.

I think the choice would come down to Moala vs. Meredith. I would lean toward using the second straight pick to help the o-line by selecting Jamon Meredith. It gives us decent depth at OT in 2009, and if they are not able to re-sign Starks or Colon beyond next season, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in 2010 to start Tony Hills in his 3rd year at LT and Jamon Meredith in his 2nd year at RT. I don't think that we would be able to get a similar quality OT prospect to Meredith on day 2, but I still think that there are several other intriguing 3-4 DE prospects that could be had later in the draft if they do not take Moala, such as his USC teammate Kyle Moore, Nebraska's Zach Potter, Stanford's Pannel Egboh, and Northern Iowa's Everette Pendescleaux.

Yeah after doing this, I'm really hoping the Steelers trade up in the 2nd round. Moala got picked at #32, but I don't see him being there, because the Packers (BigBen2112 was on his toes) were fortunate enough to jump ahead and land him. Outside of Moala, I wouldn't want anyone else at #64. I just keep seeing Urbik, Levitre, Victor Harris, etc. going as late as the end of the 3rd in mocks.

Although I picked Darius Butler, the fact that we traded up and could of landed any of those top talents who are first round prospects, was the intention. And that is what we need to do.

[BigBen2112]

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At #64 (if we don't trade up), there appears to be several options. You could go with a tackle such as Jamon Meredith, Troy Kropog, or Fenuki Tupou. You could go with a guard such as Andy Levitre, Herman Johnson, or Kraig Urbik. You could go with a WR such as Derrick Williams or Louis Murphy. You could go with a d-lineman such as Fili Moala, Chris Baker, or Sammie Lee Hill. You could go CB with Macho Harris, Jarius Byrd, or Sherrod Martin.

I think the choice would come down to Moala vs. Meredith. I would lean toward using the second straight pick to help the o-line by selecting Jamon Meredith. It gives us decent depth at OT in 2009, and if they are not able to re-sign Starks or Colon beyond next season, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility in 2010 to start Tony Hills in his 3rd year at LT and Jamon Meredith in his 2nd year at RT. I don't think that we would be able to get a similar quality OT prospect to Meredith on day 2, but I still think that there are several other intriguing 3-4 DE prospects that could be had later in the draft if they do not take Moala, such as his USC teammate Kyle Moore, Nebraska's Zach Potter, Stanford's Pannel Egboh, and Northern Iowa's Everette Pendescleaux.

Yeah after doing this, I'm really hoping the Steelers trade up in the 2nd round. Moala got picked at #32, but I don't see him being there, because the Packers (BigBen2112 was on his toes) were fortunate enough to jump ahead and land him. Outside of Moala, I wouldn't want anyone else at #64. I just keep seeing Urbik, Levitre, Victor Harris, etc. going as late as the end of the 3rd in mocks.

Although I picked Darius Butler, the fact that we traded up and could of landed any of those top talents who are first round prospects, was the intention. And that is what we need to do.

So far Im really liking the way my Green Bay draft is shaping up...and if my plan works it'll look even better after the 3/4th.

[BigBen2112]

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Hardliner...I thought you'd be going Tyrone McKenzie

[RuthlessBurgher]

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I think Rashad Jennings is better than Julius Jones, T.J. Duckett, or any of the other scrubs that Seattle has now (Mo Morris signed elsewhere IIRC, but he also sucked anyway). I think Jennings might have Jamal-Lewis-in-his-prime type potential.

[WoodleyofTroy]

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I think Rashad Jennings is better than Julius Jones, T.J. Duckett, or any of the other scrubs that Seattle has now (Mo Morris signed elsewhere IIRC, but he also sucked anyway). I think Jennings might have Jamal-Lewis-in-his-prime type potential.

He would look good in shorts. 3rd and shorts that is.

[BigBen2112]

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I think Rashad Jennings is better than Julius Jones, T.J. Duckett, or any of the other scrubs that Seattle has now (Mo Morris signed elsewhere IIRC, but he also sucked anyway). I think Jennings might have Jamal-Lewis-in-his-prime type potential.

That's why I had to take him. I think behind the OL of Seattle he could still succeed until the OL can be completely rebuilt in time. Take some pressure off of Hasselbeck.

[WoodleyofTroy]

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I like what you did with the Jets. In my opinion they already have the talent in place on that Defense. It's now in the hands of Rex Ryan to put it together.

Getting a QB, WR, and RB, in the first 3 rounds is pretty good for a 1st year Head Coach who should be laying the ground work, oppose to just that quick fix which only leads to his firing after a couple of years..

By the way, Shonn Greene looks good in those black and gold photos.

[BigBen2112]

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I like what you did with the Jets. In my opinion they already have the talent in place on that Defense. It's now in the hands of Rex Ryan to put it together.

Getting a QB, WR, and RB, in the first 3 rounds is pretty good for a 1st year Head Coach who should be laying the ground work, oppose to just that quick fix which only leads to his firing after a couple of years..

By the way, Shonn Greene looks good in those black and gold photos.

I really like the trade up with the Jets too...I doubt Robiskie or Greene would have been there when they normally would have picked.

I was thinking about Tyrone McKenzie with the 3rd round pick...but lets be honest. Their D was good enough last year as it was...AND they didnt use Gholston well at all and they added a safety and Bart Scott.

Their offense needs a facelift...get a QB in there to learn, a WR to learn and develop with him, and a runningback to take a load off of the QB...and things could be looking UP on offense. Getting Brett Favre last year was the worst move they could possibly have made. They handcuffed me with this draft and didn't do anything for themselves long-term except to delay the inevitable. Its time to actually be SMART and build an offense that can supplement the Rex Ryan defense.

[AkronSteel]

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I like what you did with the Jets. In my opinion they already have the talent in place on that Defense. It's now in the hands of Rex Ryan to put it together.

Getting a QB, WR, and RB, in the first 3 rounds is pretty good for a 1st year Head Coach who should be laying the ground work, oppose to just that quick fix which only leads to his firing after a couple of years..

By the way, Shonn Greene looks good in those black and gold photos.

I really like the trade up with the Jets too...I doubt Robiskie or Greene would have been there when they normally would have picked.

I was thinking about Tyrone McKenzie with the 3rd round pick...but lets be honest. Their D was good enough last year as it was...AND they didnt use Gholston well at all and they added a safety and Bart Scott.

Their offense needs a facelift...get a QB in there to learn, a WR to learn and develop with him, and a runningback to take a load off of the QB...and things could be looking UP on offense. Getting Brett Favre last year was the worst move they could possibly have made. They handcuffed me with this draft and didn't do anything for themselves long-term except to delay the inevitable. Its time to actually be SMART and build an offense that can supplement the Rex Ryan defense.

I love the moves that you made for the Jets, BigBen! If those moves are made they will have a bright future. I still think that will leave them a couple of years away from really contending because it will take time for that offense to come together and gel. I don't see Sanchez, Ratliff, Clemens, or Ainge taking this team deep into the playoffs, but you definitely gave them a good start!

[Chadman]

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Ah geez....thanks Ruthless for bailing Chadman out again. Good pick for the Raiders!

Been a crazy few days- sorry guys if Chadman is holding you back on this.

[WoodleyofTroy]

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Monday and Tuesday we will be finishing up the 3rd round. After that we can take a little break and figure out a date to get together and do rounds 4 - 7. In which Round 4 will start off with the 3rd round comp picks. Anyone is welcome to join.

Rest of the 3rd round schedule:

Monday: 3/30
9:00-9:59 Houston (8- GM: Chavezz
10:00-10:59 San Diego (8- GM: Mel Blount's G
11:00-11:59 Denver (8- GM: AkronSteel
12:00-12:59 Washington (8- GM: BigBen2112
1:00-1:59 Tampa Bay (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
2:00-2:59 Detroit - from Dallas (9-7) GM: Ruthlessburgher
3:00-3:59 Pittsburgh (12-4) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Chicago (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
5:00-5:59 Philadelphia (9-6-1) GM: pfelix73
6:00-6:59 Minnesota (10-6) GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
7:00-7:59 Miami (11-5) GM: Ruthlessburgher

Tuesday: 3/31
9:00-9:59 Baltimore (11-5) GM: pfelix73
10:00-10:59 New England GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11:00-11:59 Atlanta (11-5) GM: steelblood
12:00-12:59 New York Giants (12-4) GM: johnstownsteel
1:00-1:59 Indianapolis (12-4) GM: SteelerOfDeVille
2:00-2:59 Carolina GM: WoodleyofTroy
3:00-3:59 Tennessee (13-3) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Arizona (9-7) GM: steelsun7
5:00-5:59 Green Bay (6-10) GM: BigBen2112

[D Rock]

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Monday and Tuesday we will be finishing up the 3rd round. After that we can take a little break and figure out a date to get together and do rounds 4 - 7. In which Round 4 will start off with the 3rd round comp picks. Anyone is welcome to join.

Rest of the 3rd round schedule:

Monday: 3/30
9:00-9:59 Houston (8- GM: Chavezz
10:00-10:59 San Diego (8- GM: Mel Blount's G
11:00-11:59 Denver (8- GM: AkronSteel
12:00-12:59 Washington (8- GM: BigBen2112
1:00-1:59 Tampa Bay (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
2:00-2:59 Detroit - from Dallas (9-7) GM: Ruthlessburgher
3:00-3:59 Pittsburgh (12-4) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Chicago (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
5:00-5:59 Philadelphia (9-6-1) GM: pfelix73
6:00-6:59 Minnesota (10-6) GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
7:00-7:59 Miami (11-5) GM: Ruthlessburgher
Tuesday: 3/31
9:00-9:59 Baltimore (11-5) GM: pfelix73
10:00-10:59 New England GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11:00-11:59 Atlanta (11-5) GM: steelblood
12:00-12:59 New York Giants (12-4) GM: johnstownsteel
1:00-1:59 Indianapolis (12-4) GM: SteelerOfDeVille
2:00-2:59 Carolina GM: WoodleyofTroy
3:00-3:59 Tennessee (13-3) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Arizona (9-7) GM: steelsun7
5:00-5:59 Green Bay (6-10) GM: BigBen2112

that was involved in the earlier Jacksonville-Miami trade and is my pick with the Jags now

[WoodleyofTroy]

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Rest of the 3rd round schedule:

Monday: 3/30
9:00-9:59 Houston (8- GM: Chavezz
10:00-10:59 San Diego (8- GM: Mel Blount's G
11:00-11:59 Denver (8- GM: AkronSteel
12:00-12:59 Washington (8- GM: BigBen2112
1:00-1:59 Tampa Bay (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
2:00-2:59 Detroit - from Dallas (9-7) GM: Ruthlessburgher
3:00-3:59 Pittsburgh (12-4) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Chicago (9-7) GM: Discipline of Steel
5:00-5:59 Philadelphia (9-6-1) GM: pfelix73
6:00-6:59 Minnesota (10-6) GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
7:00-7:59 Jacksonville GM: D Rock
Tuesday: 3/31
9:00-9:59 Baltimore (11-5) GM: pfelix73
10:00-10:59 New England GM: SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
11:00-11:59 Atlanta (11-5) GM: steelblood
12:00-12:59 New York Giants (12-4) GM: johnstownsteel
1:00-1:59 Indianapolis (12-4) GM: SteelerOfDeVille
2:00-2:59 Carolina GM: WoodleyofTroy
3:00-3:59 Tennessee (13-3) GM: WoodleyofTroy
4:00-4:59 Arizona (9-7) GM: steelsun7
5:00-5:59 Green Bay (6-10) GM: BigBen2112

that was involved in the earlier Jacksonville-Miami trade and is my pick with the Jags now[/quote]

Thanks, and fixed.