Pat White's pro Day ?

[feltdizz]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

people are going way overboard with the Pat White love...
I'm a fan of his and loved the way he abused Georgia...
but lets get one thing straight...

using 300 yards against North Carolina as proof he is a legit passer is comedy...
I'm not saying Pat White can't pass.. but I think you have to look at Pat White against Big East competition and those who are used to playing against him..


How about we look at Pat White against PITT and USF the last 2 years? my point and the point no Pat White fan wants to talk about is Pat White when he has to pass...

so I can't use his bowl victories or his overall stats vs. the big east as credentials of his potential, only 4 of his losses in the last 4 seasons?

give me a break dude.

the entire team was out-coached in at least 2-3 of those games, you can't lay those losses all on white.

fine.

dixon is better
shockley is better
vick is by far a better passer

I don't care anymore.
trying to give a great kid and great college QB some props and some of us are actually echoing what tomlin has been saying... but we're just homers.

How are football fans supposed to be sold on a QB who didn't drop back 20 to 25 times a game? Sure you can use Pat Whites bowl victories to show he is athletic.. but I'm pretty sure Pat White averaged like 7 to 10 passes(excluding bubble screens) a game in his first 3 seasons..

I know Pat White is a beast of an athlete and watched him win a ton of games WITH HIS FEET.

I keep bringing up his losses because those were games where he had to pass and he wasn't that efficient IMO... what is the point of showing film of Pat White running options and QB draws in bowl wins to prove he is a legit QB?

QB coaches are looking at 3rd and 12... drop back and throw the ball. IMO...

I don't see why WVU and Pat White fans.. which I am one... can get angry that guys are saying what we all know is true.. he wasn't a pocket passer..

It's the same reason Tebow keeps coming back to college.. NFL GM's do not know what to do with a QB who gets the majority of his passing yards on option passes. It's not a true barometer of QB play NFL teams want to see.

[Oviedo]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Wow--7 pages of discussion about a college player who will NEVER be on the Steelers.

Pretty good marketing by his agent to get fans of a team he will NEVER play for talking this much about him.

[feltdizz]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Wow--7 pages of discussion about a college player who will NEVER be on the Steelers.

Pretty good marketing by his agent to get fans of a team he will NEVER play for talking this much about him.

I think the debate is more about his chances of being an NFL QB...

LOL!!

[Oviedo]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Wow--7 pages of discussion about a college player who will NEVER be on the Steelers.

Pretty good marketing by his agent to get fans of a team he will NEVER play for talking this much about him.

I think the debate is more about his chances of being an NFL QB...

LOL!!

Whether he succeeds or fails as an NFL QB, the one certainty is that it won't be under center for the Steelers.

Dennis Dixon is more in that equation than White will ever be.

[steelcityrules!!]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Wow--7 pages of discussion about a college player who will NEVER be on the Steelers.

Pretty good marketing by his agent to get fans of a team he will NEVER play for talking this much about him.

I think the debate is more about his chances of being an NFL QB...

LOL!!

Whether he succeeds or fails as an NFL QB, the one certainty is that it won't be under center for the Steelers.

Dennis Dixon is more in that equation than White will ever be.

point taken, but there are a number of steeler/mountaineer fans who hold him in pretty high regard.

so, when some are saying he won't be successful because he's short, it's bound to touch off some sort of debate.

as we have seen.
whole lotta this

myself included.

[steelcityrules!!]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

people are going way overboard with the Pat White love...
I'm a fan of his and loved the way he abused Georgia...
but lets get one thing straight...

using 300 yards against North Carolina as proof he is a legit passer is comedy...
I'm not saying Pat White can't pass.. but I think you have to look at Pat White against Big East competition and those who are used to playing against him..


How about we look at Pat White against PITT and USF the last 2 years? my point and the point no Pat White fan wants to talk about is Pat White when he has to pass...

so I can't use his bowl victories or his overall stats vs. the big east as credentials of his potential, only 4 of his losses in the last 4 seasons?

give me a break dude.

the entire team was out-coached in at least 2-3 of those games, you can't lay those losses all on white.

fine.

dixon is better
shockley is better
vick is by far a better passer

I don't care anymore.
trying to give a great kid and great college QB some props and some of us are actually echoing what tomlin has been saying... but we're just homers.

How are football fans supposed to be sold on a QB who didn't drop back 20 to 25 times a game? Sure you can use Pat Whites bowl victories to show he is athletic.. but I'm pretty sure Pat White averaged like 7 to 10 passes(excluding bubble screens) a game in his first 3 seasons..

I know Pat White is a beast of an athlete and watched him win a ton of games WITH HIS FEET.

I keep bringing up his losses because those were games where he had to pass and he wasn't that efficient IMO... what is the point of showing film of Pat White running options and QB draws in bowl wins to prove he is a legit QB?

QB coaches are looking at 3rd and 12... drop back and throw the ball. IMO...

I don't see why WVU and Pat White fans.. which I am one... can get angry that guys are saying what we all know is true.. he wasn't a pocket passer..

It's the same reason Tebow keeps coming back to college.. NFL GM's do not know what to do with a QB who gets the majority of his passing yards on option passes. It's not a true barometer of QB play NFL teams want to see.

I know there are tons of pat white runs out there that are amazing, and he did a ton of damage with his feet...

but this [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0YPDFmcp5Y]clip[/url] is a healthy blend of both, showcasing his passing ability and more importantly, his ability to scan the field and make good decisions. Some pretty nifty scrambling in the pocket before he throws a dart for a TD or a first down.

the best is the end, and it's for the pitt fan who thinks Pat is no threat whatsoever to pass the ball. The mountaineers are going to miss this kid A LOT.

sorry, couldn't resist.

[feltdizz]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

he was a beast.. I'll give him that.. I wished they talked about Pat White the way they talk about Tebow...

but I'm still not sold on him... I won't be mad if he proves me wrong though

I would take him if I'm the Lions or the Jets.. but not the Steelers

[Steelerphile]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White throws the ball well enough that you have to respect his passing on the collegiate level. His running ability is his most prominent ability. To make it at the NFL level, a QBs passing needs to be at the elite level. There are a number of college QBs that throw well in college and have fans who tout their character and skills, but when they come out, never do anything in the NFL.

I think Pat White falls into that category. There is something in his motion that doesn't seem fluid or natural to me. I think he has a lot of work to do and I have doubts he could be successful threading passes through NFL defenses on a consistent basis. People say White has a canon, but his arm seems about average to me for an NFL QB. Vick had supernatural arm-strength. He could seemingly flick his wrist and a throw a 70-yard pass. I think that is what made him a much more attractive prospect than what I see in Pat White.

I would have loved Pat White at Pitt. They might have gone 11-1 or something every year or that USF QB, Matt Grothe. I think I like Grothe a little better than White as an NFL prospect. He is on the short side, but I think he is a better passer than White, but is still a tremendous athlete.

[feltdizz]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Grothe is decent.. but he is missing something and I'm not talking about height either..

seems like he fades at the midway point each of the last 2 seasons

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White throws the ball well enough that you have to respect his passing on the collegiate level. His running ability is his most prominent ability. To make it at the NFL level, a QBs passing needs to be at the elite level. There are a number of college QBs that throw well in college and have fans who tout their character and skills, but when they come out, never do anything in the NFL.

So with that in mind,..what say you of the College QB's whom do not throw with good accuracy, lack work ethic and intelligence and pad their stats throwing Deep balls against below average collegiate competition,... but yet are Drafted high and given the opportunity to play because the have prototypical height, weight and "All American Apple Pie" hype ?

[ikestops85]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White throws the ball well enough that you have to respect his passing on the collegiate level. His running ability is his most prominent ability. To make it at the NFL level, a QBs passing needs to be at the elite level. There are a number of college QBs that throw well in college and have fans who tout their character and skills, but when they come out, never do anything in the NFL.

So with that in mind,..what say you of the College QB's whom do not throw with good accuracy, lack work ethic and intelligence and pad their stats throwing Deep balls against below average collegiate competition,... but yet are Drafted high and given the opportunity to play because the have prototypical height, weight and "All American Apple Pie" hype ?

I say Ryan Leaf won't make it in the NFL

[Steelerphile]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White throws the ball well enough that you have to respect his passing on the collegiate level. His running ability is his most prominent ability. To make it at the NFL level, a QBs passing needs to be at the elite level. There are a number of college QBs that throw well in college and have fans who tout their character and skills, but when they come out, never do anything in the NFL.

So with that in mind,..what say you of the College QB's whom do not throw with good accuracy, lack work ethic and intelligence and pad their stats throwing Deep balls against below average collegiate competition,... but yet are Drafted high and given the opportunity to play because the have prototypical height, weight and "All American Apple Pie" hype ?

I totally disagree with your assessment of Ben Roethlisberger so I would say this is complete BS. Big Ben throws with excellent accuracy, has a better arm than Pat White and has good football intelligence. As far as his work ethic, I am not there to see exactly what he does, bu his results have been very good, so I think his work eithic is probably a lot better than you give him credit for.

[feltdizz]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White throws the ball well enough that you have to respect his passing on the collegiate level. His running ability is his most prominent ability. To make it at the NFL level, a QBs passing needs to be at the elite level. There are a number of college QBs that throw well in college and have fans who tout their character and skills, but when they come out, never do anything in the NFL.

So with that in mind,..what say you of the College QB's whom do not throw with good accuracy, lack work ethic and intelligence and pad their stats throwing Deep balls against below average collegiate competition,... but yet are Drafted high and given the opportunity to play because the have prototypical height, weight and "All American Apple Pie" hype ?

I totally disagree with your assessment of Ben Roethlisberger so I would say this is complete BS. Big Ben throws with excellent accuracy, has a better arm than Pat White and has good football intelligence. As far as his work ethic, I am not there to see exactly what he does, bu his results have been very good, so I think his work eithic is probably a lot better than you give him credit for.

why wouldn't you give the prototypical QB a shot? the odds are against the short guy who ran 90% of the time..

as far as Big Ben and this guy is concerned do not waste your time.. funny thing is Ben was the last one in the room and fell in our lap.. it wasn't like he was Ryan Leaf and hyped into a top 3 pick.