Pat White's pro Day ?

[feltdizz]

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I watched Pat White a lot in college.. sure I'm a PITT fan but I loved watching him in college and beating overrated SEC teams in bowl games..

but let's get one thing straight. Pat White NEVER EVER... was a passing threat. Sure he had a few games with decent passing stats his last year but I think that is why he returned.. to get reps passing to show the NFL he has an arm. He has a canon but his accuracy is ehh.. whenever it was 3rd and long.

There is a reason WVU couldn't beat USF or PITT the last 2 years.. those teams ran D's that took away the edge and forced WVU into passing situations.. and he just couldn't get it done.

Now Pat White may end up being a good NFL QB.... but with Dixon we have our Pat White.

and to those who think he is Vick.. please.. Vick was a drop back passer who was a threat as a runner.. sure he was ugly underneath but he did enough to win a bunch of NFL games.. funny thing is Vick looked like Montana when he played us.
he was a nut off the field but as an NFL QB I have seen much worse from so called pocket passers.

To sum it all up.. Pat White may end up being a legit NFL QB.. but the odds are not in his favor and if anyone watched Dixon at Oregon you would understand we have Pat White already.

I would take him in the 5th.. no earlier.

[steelcityrules!!]

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I think some posters on here are flailing about and are making wild accusations about pat white, and why some of us think he'll be successful.

#1- I never said he was as good a QB as drew brees, I was commenting that him being less than 6' 5" wasn't guaranteeing him to fail. Take a pill bigben.

#2- Pat white doesn't have the passing stats that many good college QB's do, and as I said before his lack of weapons in the receiving game and the offense he was in dictated he do other things. He was ALWAYS very accurate, but suffered from a lot of dropped balls. He's done nothing but win games, and was one of the best passers in the senior bowl, combine, etc, etc, etc.

#3- drafting pat white was never a guarantee that the lions would win superbowls, my point was that they could acquire a rediculously good OT and LB/DE in the first round and have a QB in pat white in the 2nd or 3rd who was a great talent and won 4 consecutive bowl games as a starter.

#4- I reiterate, I don't condone spending a high draft pick on pat white. I am saying that some team that uses him to his potential will get a talented winner who has the ABILITY to be a #1 QB in the NFL.

[Chavezz]

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I guess it is just convenient to ignore facts when they go against your ingrained opinions.

Back to the topic at hand--Pat White. Pat White will never achieve the success that Ben R. has. White is a good college QB in a very unique type of offense that maximized his strengths. The NFL won't.

Pat White is getting very bad advice about this whole "I'm a QB" position.

White was a great passing QB who is a phenomenal athlete, was asked to pass very rarely, and had 2 NFL caliber WR's his entire 4 years.

I'm not advocating drafting pat white, nor am i saying he's on the level of ben, but to say he's not capable of being a QB at the next level is absolutely naive.

I'd take him over any of the QB's in the draft this year, he's faster than mike vick and three times as accurate.

i'll laugh if detroit takes stafford #1... they could take a top tackle and LB in the first round and then take pat white in the 2nd.

but they are the lions, destined for mediocrity and first round busts.

Bull.

He's not faster than Vick. I'm fairly certain that 4.55 was his 40 from the combine. Vick was in the 4.3 range.

I understand all of you WVU homers are going to overrate him, I get it. But this is stupid and if White is on this team for more than a 5th rd pick it was a bad move.

[feltdizz]

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I guess it is just convenient to ignore facts when they go against your ingrained opinions.

Back to the topic at hand--Pat White. Pat White will never achieve the success that Ben R. has. White is a good college QB in a very unique type of offense that maximized his strengths. The NFL won't.

Pat White is getting very bad advice about this whole "I'm a QB" position.

White was a great passing QB who is a phenomenal athlete, was asked to pass very rarely, and had 2 NFL caliber WR's his entire 4 years.

I'm not advocating drafting pat white, nor am i saying he's on the level of ben, but to say he's not capable of being a QB at the next level is absolutely naive.

I'd take him over any of the QB's in the draft this year, he's faster than mike vick and three times as accurate.

i'll laugh if detroit takes stafford #1... they could take a top tackle and LB in the first round and then take pat white in the 2nd.

but they are the lions, destined for mediocrity and first round busts.

Bull.

He's not faster than Vick. I'm fairly certain that 4.55 was his 40 from the combine. Vick was in the 4.3 range.

I understand all of you WVU homers are going to overrate him, I get it. But this is stupid and if White is on this team for more than a 5th rd pick it was a bad move.

Pat White is fast but I think people hate Vick so much they tend to underrate him as an NFL player... he wasn't the pocket QB people like but he won games..

I think Vick and White are similar only in color and passing efficiency..
When both these guys are forced into passing situations they struggled.

I don't buy the lack of pro WR at WVU.. it's college and most teams do not have pro WR..

[RuthlessBurgher]

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How about a comparison between Pat White and Tim Tebow then? I know Tebow is not in this draft, but if they both were in the same draft, who would you prefer as a passer, as a running threat, as a potential pass catcher in the pros, and as a winner/intangibles guy? Just throwing it out there...

[steelcityrules!!]

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I guess it is just convenient to ignore facts when they go against your ingrained opinions.

Back to the topic at hand--Pat White. Pat White will never achieve the success that Ben R. has. White is a good college QB in a very unique type of offense that maximized his strengths. The NFL won't.

Pat White is getting very bad advice about this whole "I'm a QB" position.

White was a great passing QB who is a phenomenal athlete, was asked to pass very rarely, and had 2 NFL caliber WR's his entire 4 years.

I'm not advocating drafting pat white, nor am i saying he's on the level of ben, but to say he's not capable of being a QB at the next level is absolutely naive.

I'd take him over any of the QB's in the draft this year, he's faster than mike vick and three times as accurate.

i'll laugh if detroit takes stafford #1... they could take a top tackle and LB in the first round and then take pat white in the 2nd.

but they are the lions, destined for mediocrity and first round busts.

Bull.

He's not faster than Vick. I'm fairly certain that 4.55 was his 40 from the combine. Vick was in the 4.3 range.

I understand all of you WVU homers are going to overrate him, I get it. But this is stupid and if White is on this team for more than a 5th rd pick it was a bad move.

I stand corrected. Most scouting sites have 40 times for pat white at 4.38 and a 40 time for mike vick at 4.36. most think pat averages in the low 4.4's. I'll trade those 2 hundreths of a second for the passing skills of white any day of the week, and twice on sundays next fall.

let me say AGAIN, I'm not advocating us using a high draft pick for him.
I will also say again, pat white will be a better QB and more accurate than mike vick was if given a chance. Here-say on my part for sure at this point, but thats my opinion.

I am also not anti-Dixon, and actually think drafting him at his spot was a deal/steal. But, what I will ask is what big games on a big stage has Dixon won? I don't believe he's even won a single bowl game, has 18 fewer passing TD's than pat white, and about 1000 fewer passing yards, and lets not even bring up the rushing threat.

it's funny to see PITT fans on here say he's never ever been a passing threat. It's not even close to being accurate... ask the Tar heels if he's a threat to pass:
CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT
26 32 332 81.3 44 3 1 193.09

keep doubting him, calling him overrated, whatever. Kid is a proven winner

[steelcityrules!!]

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in my haste to defend white, I think it could be construed that I think Stafford will be a bust. I don't think that is accurate, and he could be very successful. I more meant that without major help in other areas, he has a higher chance of failing in a scenario like detroit.

drafting stafford without better linemen and a defense, let alone a better F.O. will most likely not help his development or win them games.

[SteelCzar76]

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keep doubting him, calling him overrated, whatever. Kid is a proven winner[/quote]

Exactly. And i believe this and i'am by no means a WV "homer". I was raised a Steeler Fan (as part of my mother and her side of the Family's Western PA roots) in Los Angeles. (Trojan Born)

Meaning,...if anything one would expect an SC "Homer" to be biased against White and consider him "overrated". But i have to be honest,...i have watched this kid play and he is THAT good. And he's continued to prove as much amongst his peers, before the critics, scouts and coaches with his performance at the senior Bowl, Combine and personal workouts. And all of this after having a very productive and winning Collegiate career at a major program.

I'm saying,...what more does the Kid have to do to prove himself ? I really believe that those whom minimize this kid's potential success at league level do so unfairly because of some bigoted hatred for Michael Vick,... or merely because he lacks prototypical size?

But i remember a player whose arguably the greatest Qb of all times,..whom most certainly lacked size and supposed strength. And not by any means do i compare White to him seriously as he's a legend,..but i say that as an example of how such "supposed" shortcomings can be overcome by not only ability to play, but intellect, will to win and hard work.

[NKySteeler]

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How about a comparison between Pat White and Tim Tebow then? I know Tebow is not in this draft, but if they both were in the same draft, who would you prefer as a passer, as a running threat, as a potential pass catcher in the pros, and as a winner/intangibles guy? Just throwing it out there...

Just a quick interjection on a bit of a tangent, then I'll back out...

IMO, Florida is a good example of qbs having talent and ability on the collegiate level but just can't seem to get it done in the pros.... They have had some VERY talented qbs over the years that haven't worked-out in the pros for whatever the reasons.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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keep doubting him, calling him overrated, whatever. Kid is a proven winner

Exactly. And i believe this and i'am by no means a WV "homer". I was raised a Steeler Fan (as part of my mother and her side of the Family's Western PA roots) in Los Angeles. (Tojan Born)

Meaning,...if anything one would expect an SC "Homer" to be biased against White and consider him "overrated". But i have to be honest,...i have watched this kid play and he is THAT good. And he's continued to prove as much amongst his peers, before the critics, scouts and coaches with his performance at the senior Bowl, Combine and personal workouts. And all of this after having a very productive and winning Collegiate career at a major program.

I'm saying,...what more does the Kid have to do to prove himself ? I really believe that those whom minimize this kid's potential success at league level do so unfairly because of some bigoted hatred for Michael Vick,... or merely because he lacks prototypical size?

But i remember a player whose arguably the greatest Qb of all times,..whom most certainly lacked size and supposed strength. And not by any means do i compare White to him seriously as he's a legend,..but i say that as an example of how such "supposed" shortcomings can be overcome by not only ability to play, but intellect, will to win and hard work.[/quote]

I find it quite odd that the guy who still thinks that Ben is nothing but a glorified game manager (when he has won two Super Bowls, taken his team to the conference championship game in 3 out of his 5 seasons in the league, has the most wins than any other QB in NFL history in his first 5 seasons, has 19 4th quarter comebacks, and only had one poor statistical season after putting his bare head through Chrysler) is the same guy who is now asking "what more does the Kid have to do to prove himself?" in reference to an undersized QB from WVU. If Pat White doesn't need to do anything more to prove himself, what exactly does Ben have to do to prove himself? Just curious...

[feltdizz]

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people are going way overboard with the Pat White love...
I'm a fan of his and loved the way he abused Georgia...
but lets get one thing straight...

using 300 yards against North Carolina as proof he is a legit passer is comedy...
I'm not saying Pat White can't pass.. but I think you have to look at Pat White against Big East competition and those who are used to playing against him..


How about we look at Pat White against PITT and USF the last 2 years? my point and the point no Pat White fan wants to talk about is Pat White when he has to pass...

[WoodleyofTroy]

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I find it quite odd that the guy who still thinks that Ben is nothing but a glorified game manager (when he has won two Super Bowls, taken his team to the conference championship game in 3 out of his 5 seasons in the league, has the most wins than any other QB in NFL history in his first 5 seasons, has 19 4th quarter comebacks, and only had one poor statistical season after putting his bare head through Chrysler) is the same guy who is now asking "what more does the Kid have to do to prove himself?" in reference to an undersized QB from WVU. If Pat White doesn't need to do anything more to prove himself, what exactly does Ben have to do to prove himself? Just curious...

Checkmate.

[SteelCzar76]

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I find it quite odd that the guy who still thinks that Ben is nothing but a glorified game manager (when he has won two Super Bowls, taken his team to the conference championship game in 3 out of his 5 seasons in the league, has the most wins than any other QB in NFL history in his first 5 seasons, has 19 4th quarter comebacks, and only had one poor statistical season after putting his bare head through Chrysler) is the same guy who is now asking "what more does the Kid have to do to prove himself?" in reference to an undersized QB from WVU. If Pat White doesn't need to do anything more to prove himself, what exactly does Ben have to do to prove himself? Just curious...

Study film, work as a leader should at practice and in offseason physical regiments and thereby alleviate any foolishness (picks, poor decision making, inability to read an react to defenses fast enough) that offsets the greatness that he is capable of,.....

And that my friends is the proverbial,...."Checkmate".

[calmkiller]

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USF and Pitt the last two years are very easily explained. It very hard to have a good passing day when there are only 9 pass plays called and only 2 of those are not bubble screens. The coaching staff calls the plays. Not Pat.

[steelcityrules!!]

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people are going way overboard with the Pat White love...
I'm a fan of his and loved the way he abused Georgia...
but lets get one thing straight...

using 300 yards against North Carolina as proof he is a legit passer is comedy...
I'm not saying Pat White can't pass.. but I think you have to look at Pat White against Big East competition and those who are used to playing against him..


How about we look at Pat White against PITT and USF the last 2 years? my point and the point no Pat White fan wants to talk about is Pat White when he has to pass...

so I can't use his bowl victories or his overall stats vs. the big east as credentials of his potential, only 4 of his losses in the last 4 seasons?

give me a break dude.

the entire team was out-coached in at least 2-3 of those games, you can't lay those losses all on white.

fine.

dixon is better
shockley is better
vick is by far a better passer

I don't care anymore.
trying to give a great kid and great college QB some props and some of us are actually echoing what tomlin has been saying... but we're just homers.