Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

[feltdizz]

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Do you think the fact that the Steelers cut JH two or three times is important in these negotiations, even at a subliminal level?

i don't think so but imo the steelers may be thinking, "we're paying you for future production not what you've done in the last two years." i know that seems harsh but really, it's the way business is done. so, where do the steelers feel this 31 year old linebacker will be in 2 to 3 years? will he be producing at the same level or will there be a steady decline in play a/o injury concerns.

other ideas they may be taking into consideration, how's bruce davis developing? or maybe they are thinking that harrsions spot will be filled by timmons. those questions certainly play into the mix.

It's not like J Harrison is throwing his body around like Troy.. JH reminds me so much of Farrior... he plays so low to the ground and under control.

[steelcityrules!!]

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would love to see harrison get signed to a good deal, but he's not more valuable than Troy.
I hope he tells his agent to step back from the podium for a bit and get the deal done.

[papillon]

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I think Harrison's agent is leaking this information to try and drum up fan support to put pressure on the FO to sign Harrison for more than they need to. Steeler fans by and large are smarter than that and understand how the Steelers do business. It's a ploy that isn't going to get much traction in the Burgh. Just look at this MB and you see what fans think, "don't break the bank", "franchise him for two years if we have to", "the Steelers hold all the cards", "I love JH, but, I don't want the Steelers to overpay for him", etc., etc.,...

Harrison will get a raise, it will be cap friendly and he'll retire a Steeler (probably) as long as his agent and him are reasonable men of logic and intelligence.

Pappy

[cxr344]

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It's way too early to be worried about them letting Harrison walk. This feels a lot more like the Hines Ward situation than the Faneca situation to me. I think Harrison will be a solid player well into his mid-thirties, and I'm pretty confident the Steelers feel the same way.

The Steelers have no reason to rush this one, no matter how much the agent whines to the media. It might get ugly, but they'll do the right thing and sign him to a fair if not generous deal.

[NorthCoast]

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I am in the camp that Harrison became what he was because of Woodley. If Harrison jumps and joins a lesser team, he would revert to his pre-Woodley stats (which were not that bad either).
When will agents learn that, of all sports, football is the ultimate team sport. I think Harrison gets it:

Harrison credited defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau's schemes with allowing him, an undrafted free agent from Kent State who was cut several times by Pittsburgh and once by Baltimore, to eventually become a star. "The defense is built to play with 11 guys, and if all 11 guys are on the same page, playing the same defense on the same play, there's nothing that can go wrong and that's just how we feel about it," Harrison said.

He just needs to remind his agent. The Steelers have a chance to be fair with JH but they don't need to make him the highest paid defensive player.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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I am in the camp that Harrison became what he was because of Woodley. If Harrison jumps and joins a lesser team, he would revert to his pre-Woodley stats (which were not that bad either).
When will agents learn that, of all sports, football is the ultimate team sport. I think Harrison gets it:

Harrison credited defensive coordinator bad word LeBeau's schemes with allowing him, an undrafted free agent from Kent State who was cut several times by Pittsburgh and once by Baltimore, to eventually become a star. "The defense is built to play with 11 guys, and if all 11 guys are on the same page, playing the same defense on the same play, there's nothing that can go wrong and that's just how we feel about it," Harrison said.

He just needs to remind his agent. The Steelers have a chance to be fair with JH but they don't need to make him the highest paid defensive player.

His teammates named Harrison team MVP in '07 as well, when Haggan was playing OLB opposite him.

[MBposter]

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I think Harrison's agent is leaking this information to try and drum up fan support to put pressure on the FO to sign Harrison for more than they need to.
Pappy

My feeling is that won't work. Between Harrison's "domestic Violence" issues as
well as that thug like act in the Superbowl, he will never be the most liked
Steeler despite being a great player. Lets call it like it is.

[papillon]

Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

I think Harrison's agent is leaking this information to try and drum up fan support to put pressure on the FO to sign Harrison for more than they need to.
Pappy

My feeling is that won't work. Between Harrison's "domestic Violence" issues as
well as that thug like act in the Superbowl, he will never be the most liked
Steeler despite being a great player. Lets call it like it is.

Just remember there is no competition for JH right now. The Steelers are only trying to extend his contract and pay the man before he can hot the FA market next year. The only reason they would leak any contract negotiations is to make it seem like the Steelers are being unfair and drum up fan support or outrage.

If the deal doesn't get done, then he plays for peanuts again or holds out and if he holds out the fans will turn on him in a heartbeat.

It's his best interests to have hs agent shut up and get a nice deal together for him to sign.

Pappy

[Oviedo]

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I think Harrison's agent is leaking this information to try and drum up fan support to put pressure on the FO to sign Harrison for more than they need to.
Pappy

My feeling is that won't work. Between Harrison's "domestic Violence" issues as
well as that thug like act in the Superbowl, he will never be the most liked
Steeler despite being a great player. Lets call it like it is.

Just remember there is no competition for JH right now. The Steelers are only trying to extend his contract and pay the man before he can hot the FA market next year. The only reason they would leak any contract negotiations is to make it seem like the Steelers are being unfair and drum up fan support or outrage.

If the deal doesn't get done, then he plays for peanuts again or holds out and if he holds out the fans will turn on him in a heartbeat.

It's his best interests to have hs agent shut up and get a nice deal together for him to sign.

Pappy

Harrison will never be a free agent next year. He will be tagged which is why he and his agent just need to take the multi-millions they are being offered. With JH's physical style of play if he hasn't signed an extension before the season starts he is an idiot and should fire his agent. He is one injury away from irrelavance and as an over 30 player in the NFL that is not a good place to be.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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Steeler fans by and large are smarter than that and understand how the Steelers do business. It's a ploy that isn't going to get much traction in the Burgh. Just look at this MB and you see what fans think, "don't break the bank", "franchise him for two years if we have to", "the Steelers hold all the cards", "I love JH, but, I don't want the Steelers to overpay for him", etc., etc.,...

Not me. I wanted them to sign Haynesworth for $101M

[feltdizz]

Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

I think Harrison's agent is leaking this information to try and drum up fan support to put pressure on the FO to sign Harrison for more than they need to.
Pappy

My feeling is that won't work. Between Harrison's "domestic Violence" issues as
well as that thug like act in the Superbowl, he will never be the most liked
Steeler despite being a great player. Lets call it like it is.

while I agree on the domestic issue...

you are crazy if you think fans remember anything besides his 100 yard rumble in the SB..

and we loved Jack Lambert because he was a mean, dirty SOB on the field.

[feltdizz]

Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

I think Harrison's agent is leaking this information to try and drum up fan support to put pressure on the FO to sign Harrison for more than they need to.
Pappy

My feeling is that won't work. Between Harrison's "domestic Violence" issues as
well as that thug like act in the Superbowl, he will never be the most liked
Steeler despite being a great player. Lets call it like it is.

Just remember there is no competition for JH right now. The Steelers are only trying to extend his contract and pay the man before he can hot the FA market next year. The only reason they would leak any contract negotiations is to make it seem like the Steelers are being unfair and drum up fan support or outrage.

If the deal doesn't get done, then he plays for peanuts again or holds out and if he holds out the fans will turn on him in a heartbeat.

It's his best interests to have hs agent shut up and get a nice deal together for him to sign.

Pappy

did we turn on Ward? Not really....
We won't turn on Harrison... a few will, but they are the GM/FO minded fans.

The average fan, unless his replacement is a complete stud... , know what Harrison means to our D and wants to see him on the field for a few more years. I doubt we turn on him unless he slaps a woman again.. god forbid.

[blacknblue80s]

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This is Max's fault. He is going to take the franchise money with his me first attitude while other players take less to remain with this team, restructure their contracts etc.