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  • fordfixer
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    • May 2008
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    Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

    Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison
    By Mike Prisuta, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Tuesday, March 3, 2009

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    Mike Prisuta is a sports columnist for the Tribune-Review. He can be reached via e-mail or at 412-320-7923.

    The $100 million free-agent contract given to defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth by the Washington Redskins hasn't affected negotiations between the Steelers and linebacker James Harrison. Yet, Harrison's representative is "disappointed" by the lack of progress toward a long-term contract extension for his client.

    "We're struggling with this," agent Bill Parise said Monday morning. "We don't seem to be making the progress I felt we would have made. I'm disappointed but not discouraged."

    Parise said he talked on "a couple occasions" yesterday with Steelers' director of football operations Kevin Colbert and Steelers' business and football administration coordinator Omar Khan.

    Those discussions, Parise said, resulted in the eventual submission of a revised contract proposal for Harrison.

    "It's extremely similar to the previous (two) proposals submitted," Parise said. "It's less in value than we asked for the first time, so we came down. My expectation would be that the Steelers would come up.

    "We're working at this. We'll see what happens from here."

    Parise said he anticipated a response from the Steelers in the next 24 to 48 hours.

    The Steelers, per club policy, do not comment publicly on contract negotiations.

    Haynesworth, formerly of the Tennessee Titans, agreed last week to a seven-year deal with the Redskins, one worth approximately $100 million. It included an NFL-record $41 million guaranteed.

    The Steelers signed quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to a $102 million deal last year.

    Harrison is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent following the 2009 season, the last year of a four-year, $5.5 million deal signed in April 2006. That contract included a $1.375 million signing bonus.

    He earned a $1.2 million base salary in 2008, when he was named the NFL Defensive Player of the Year and helped lead the Steelers to victory in Super Bowl XLIII.

    "We're just not doing well," Parise said. "This is not going as well as it should or it could. Both sides are being challenged to get this accomplished.

    "We clearly want to be here and stay here. James has a home here and family an hour-and-a-half away. I'm here, we love this and this is our goal. And our request is by no means a reach.

    "We're not anywhere near Haynesworth numbers. We're nowhere near Ben's numbers. We're not asking for him to be the highest-paid Steelers player."

    Although he declined to identify a timetable for getting an agreement hammered out, Parise made it clear he's operating under such a parameter.

    "We're not going to do this forever," he said. "If we can't get something done in the very near future, it's going to be a negative result. There are two outcomes, good and bad. Both are on the table."

    The Steelers haven't signed a free agent from another team or hosted one for a visit since the NFL's free-agency period began at 12:01 a.m. on Friday.

    Still, they've been busy.

    Offensive tackle Max Starks has been signed to a one-year, $8.451 million contract as the team's franchise player with the idea of eventually working out a long-term deal.

    Guard Chris Kemoeatu has agreed to a five-year contract that could be worth as much as $20 million.

    Offensive tackle Willie Colon has been offered a one-year, $2.198 million contract as a restricted free agent.

    Tight end/fullback Sean McHugh has agreed to a three-year, $2.57 million contract with a $390,000 signing bonus.

    And cornerback/special-teams player Anthony Madison has been offered a one-year deal for $1.01 million.

    "The Steelers have done some interesting things this free-agent period," Parise said. "We need to fit in there. They keep saying we're the most important thing, but I don't feel the love.

    "Our relationship is still strong; we're having no trouble talking. Agreeing, we seem to be having some difficultly with that."

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  • Chadman
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    • May 2008
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    #2
    Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

    Just wondering....if Harrison remains on his current contract, and the Steelers don't dump Foote...

    and if they DO draft an ILB this draft...

    Could Harrison be let to walk, Timmons to OLB, and then the rookie & Foote take over the middle (as Farrior rides off into the sunset...)?
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    • RuthlessBurgher
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      • May 2008
      • 33208

      #3
      Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

      One side of this negotiation (the agent) is making this public, trying to get public sentiment on his player's side. The other is quietly going about its business. Which side looks more desperate to you? A Harrison extension is still the most important thing that the team wants to do this off-season. It is just that there are other things that have been more pressing this week. Kemoeatu was talking to the Jets, and the Steelers wanted him back. It was a time-sensitive thing, so the Steelers signed him right away before he followed Faneca to New York. Nate was talking to the Titans, and the Steelers may or may not have wanted him back. It was a time-sensitive thing, and Nate ultimately left for Tennessee. McFadden is talking to the Cardinals, and the Steelers seem to want him back. It is a time-sensitive thing, so likely the majority of our front office's attention is likely now focused on BMac if they want to prevent him from going to Arizona. By comparison, the Harrison extension is not a time-sensitive thing. In fact, in order to make an extension for Harrison happen, a couple of other dominos probably have to fall first. They may need to clear cap space by signing Starks to a long term deal which would drop his cap value in the first year of the deal below that of the $8.5 million franchise number. They also may need to reduce Hines' cap hit by extending his deal a few years with a Farrior-like contract that allows him to retire as a Steeler. While Harrison is priority #1 in terms of what the team feels is most important to them this offseason, it is not priority #1 in terms of what the team will focus on first, because there are other more time-sensitive issues that need to be taken care of first. It's that simple.
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      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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      • sd steel
        Starter
        • May 2008
        • 912

        #4
        Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

        Don't get me wrong, because I love Harrison, but it looks like his agent is playing hard ball. James is 30, and he has had 2 fantastic seasons, but he is barely 6 ft tall, and he is a product of the system. We have Woodley and Timmons and Farrior for at least 2 more years, and we are bound to bust another great LB in this draft. Basically we could lose Harrison after this year, and I bet we will fill his spot with a young new stud. I like his attitude and his story, but i wouldn't break the bank on him.

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        • NorCal-Steeler
          Backup
          • May 2008
          • 255

          #5
          Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

          Bruce Davis still on the team and how is his devolopment comeing along? I'd love to keep Harrison but we have him locked down for next year and another if we franchise him by then Ward should be about done. We are deep enough at LB that we shouldnt be concerned about 2 years from now plus it will be uncapped.
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          • AkronSteel
            Pro Bowler
            • May 2008
            • 1272

            #6
            Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

            I don't see this thing taking long to get done! It seems like a quality negotiation and that the Steelers have the upper hand! I wanna see James get his due but the Steelers are in a position where they don't exactly have to bend over the barrel to sign him. I think eventually we will see a contract around 5 years @ 42 million with 20 or so guaranteed! I think that Hines will rework his deal to add a couple of years and reduce his cap hit! I could see Deshea not being around if BMac is resigned! I could see him getting cut and then coming back at the veteran min like Troy Brown did in NE for a couple of years. Either way this thing will get done and then the team can start working on an extension for Heath and looking towards the future with Tone and Wood!
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            • Mister Pittsburgh
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              • Jul 2008
              • 3674

              #7
              Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

              Originally posted by Chadman
              Just wondering....if Harrison remains on his current contract, and the Steelers don't dump Foote...

              and if they DO draft an ILB this draft...

              Could Harrison be let to walk, Timmons to OLB, and then the rookie & Foote take over the middle (as Farrior rides off into the sunset...)?
              To be honest these are my exact thoughts. If the Steelers feel like there is no way they can come up to meet Harrisons demands, they why just let him walk after next year to sign a monster deal elsewhere and get at most a 3rd round compensatory pick. If you traded him you could get a first round pick for him by shipping him to one of the plethora of teams converting to the 3-4. What would the defensive player of the year go for on the open market? Timmons was drafted to be an OLB and with his speed off the edge could be lethal out there. We still have Bruce Davis, have Larry Foote through this year, and Keyaron Fox looked very athletic in special teams.

              I would hate to lose Harrison, but if they aren't going to sign him then get as much return as possible off of him.
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              • Oviedo
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 23824

                #8
                Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

                To paraphrase a familiar saying "It is about the symbol on the right side of the helmet, not the name on the back of the jersey."

                Harrsion is a very good player who just completed a great season. He realizes that he is over 30 and this is his last pay day but great players have come and gone through the Steelers line up. Harrison and his agent are playing a tricky game because he has to play next season and if hurt, which is very possible given his physical style, his value as a 31 year old LB will be much less than it is right now. Holding out isn't really an option because that would likely also decrease his value.

                The Steelers will not allow themselves to get into a Jason Gildon situation again and sign a LB who can't contribute through his contract. I think 4 years/$32M with $16M guaranteed is a more than a fair offer. More than that or longer than that I think the Steelers are making a mistake.
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                • SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
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                  • May 2008
                  • 349

                  #9
                  Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

                  Why can't we keep him this year for the same contract, act like we really want to get a deal done but just couldn't then franchise tag him for 2010. By then he is 33 and then we can say bye bye.
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                  • Northern_Blitz
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 24373

                    #10
                    Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

                    Originally posted by Chadman
                    Just wondering....if Harrison remains on his current contract, and the Steelers don't dump Foote...

                    and if they DO draft an ILB this draft...

                    Could Harrison be let to walk, Timmons to OLB, and then the rookie & Foote take over the middle (as Farrior rides off into the sunset...)?
                    This, plus the year Harrison has left, plus the franchise tag, are the reasons that the Steelers hold all the cards in this negotiation. Having Harrison definately makes Woodley better. But will that be true after two more seasons (1 contract + 1 tag). If Davis comes along, we might not even need to move Timmons.

                    If what the agent says is true, I think this is looking more and more like the way it will pan out. As many have said, we need cap room to sign good young players. I don't necessarily mind letting Harrison walk after a year or two.

                    At the risk of sounding like DVS, it might also be worth seeing what someone would give up for him before the draft (if negotiations stall). Do you think that a reigning NFL DMVP would be worth a first to a team making a switch to a 3 - 4? I don't think I'd do this unless the deal was sweet, but we do have four very good LBs we can field if we didn't have Harrison. An extra day one pick could be used to get another LB, or to get some help on either line.

                    "We're not anywhere near Haynesworth numbers. We're nowhere near Ben's numbers. We're not asking for him to be the highest-paid Steelers player."
                    Anyone else think that this means they asking for him to be the highest paid player on D? It's an interesting question whether he's worth more than Troy.

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                    • Oviedo
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                      • May 2008
                      • 23824

                      #11
                      Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

                      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                      Originally posted by Chadman
                      Just wondering....if Harrison remains on his current contract, and the Steelers don't dump Foote...

                      and if they DO draft an ILB this draft...

                      Could Harrison be let to walk, Timmons to OLB, and then the rookie & Foote take over the middle (as Farrior rides off into the sunset...)?
                      This, plus the year Harrison has left, plus the franchise tag, are the reasons that the Steelers hold all the cards in this negotiation. Having Harrison definately makes Woodley better. But will that be true after two more seasons (1 contract + 1 tag). If Davis comes along, we might not even need to move Timmons.

                      If what the agent says is true, I think this is looking more and more like the way it will pan out. As many have said, we need cap room to sign good young players. I don't necessarily mind letting Harrison walk after a year or two.

                      At the risk of sounding like DVS, it might also be worth seeing what someone would give up for him before the draft (if negotiations stall). Do you think that a reigning NFL DMVP would be worth a first to a team making a switch to a 3 - 4? I don't think I'd do this unless the deal was sweet, but we do have four very good LBs we can field if we didn't have Harrison. An extra day one pick could be used to get another LB, or to get some help on either line.

                      "We're not anywhere near Haynesworth numbers. We're nowhere near Ben's numbers. We're not asking for him to be the highest-paid Steelers player."
                      Anyone else think that this means they asking for him to be the highest paid player on D? It's an interesting question whether he's worth more than Troy.
                      Just read this reference your comment about Troy

                      On the one-year anniversary of Ben Roethlisberger's $102 million signing, the Tribune-Review is reporting that talks between the Steelers and James Harrison's agent are going nowhere. While Harrison still has a year remaining on his contract (Roethlisberger had two), the Steelers would like to finish a deal with their No. 1 off-season priority to see where they stand for the remainder of the spring and summer re-signing period. Of course, the Steelers are hesitant to pay Harrison (31 on May 4) much more than their current highest-paid defender, Troy Polamalu (28 on April 19), who averages $7.55 million per year.
                      I have to say I agree that he is not worth more. It is not a coincidence that his best season coincided with the emergence of Woodley. They are mutually beneficial for each other, but Woodley has much more upside.
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                      • Steelgal
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 1286

                        #12
                        Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

                        Originally posted by SMASHMOUTHFOOTBALL
                        Why can't we keep him this year for the same contract, act like we really want to get a deal done but just couldn't then franchise tag him for 2010. By then he is 33 and then we can say bye bye.
                        We could do that and I'm sure some organizations might, but the Rooney's are too classy. If we're not going to pay him the big bucks that he wants, I believe they'll let him test free agency next year and get paid elsewhere.

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                        • RuthlessBurgher
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                          • May 2008
                          • 33208

                          #13
                          Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          Originally posted by Chadman
                          Just wondering....if Harrison remains on his current contract, and the Steelers don't dump Foote...

                          and if they DO draft an ILB this draft...

                          Could Harrison be let to walk, Timmons to OLB, and then the rookie & Foote take over the middle (as Farrior rides off into the sunset...)?
                          This, plus the year Harrison has left, plus the franchise tag, are the reasons that the Steelers hold all the cards in this negotiation. Having Harrison definately makes Woodley better. But will that be true after two more seasons (1 contract + 1 tag). If Davis comes along, we might not even need to move Timmons.

                          If what the agent says is true, I think this is looking more and more like the way it will pan out. As many have said, we need cap room to sign good young players. I don't necessarily mind letting Harrison walk after a year or two.

                          At the risk of sounding like DVS, it might also be worth seeing what someone would give up for him before the draft (if negotiations stall). Do you think that a reigning NFL DMVP would be worth a first to a team making a switch to a 3 - 4? I don't think I'd do this unless the deal was sweet, but we do have four very good LBs we can field if we didn't have Harrison. An extra day one pick could be used to get another LB, or to get some help on either line.

                          "We're not anywhere near Haynesworth numbers. We're nowhere near Ben's numbers. We're not asking for him to be the highest-paid Steelers player."
                          Anyone else think that this means they asking for him to be the highest paid player on D? It's an interesting question whether he's worth more than Troy.
                          Just read this reference your comment about Troy

                          [quote:30flii73]On the one-year anniversary of Ben Roethlisberger's $102 million signing, the Tribune-Review is reporting that talks between the Steelers and James Harrison's agent are going nowhere. While Harrison still has a year remaining on his contract (Roethlisberger had two), the Steelers would like to finish a deal with their No. 1 off-season priority to see where they stand for the remainder of the spring and summer re-signing period. Of course, the Steelers are hesitant to pay Harrison (31 on May 4) much more than their current highest-paid defender, Troy Polamalu (28 on April 19), who averages $7.55 million per year.
                          I have to say I agree that he is not worth more. It is not a coincidence that his best season coincided with the emergence of Woodley. They are mutually beneficial for each other, but Woodley has much more upside.[/quote:30flii73]

                          While I understand the opinion of folks who feel that Harrison should not make more than Polamalu's average yearly salary of $7.55 million, the fact is that the market fluctuates and you must adjust. Bart Freaking Scott was just given a deal averaging $8 million per year. We won't go crazy getting into stupid Haynesworth-type numbers (even Harrison's agent acknowledged that that wasn't realistic) but Scott's deal should be the starting point for negotiations now (that wouldn't be the case if we finalized a deal before the start of the free agency period).
                          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                          • pfelix73
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                            • Aug 2008
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                            #14
                            Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

                            I'm a Harrison fan too, just like the rest of you guys, but business is business. IF he and his agent are trying to hold out and get Haynesworth's kind of numbers, I'd move on. Harrison isn't that young to begin with. Around 30 isn't he?

                            Although last night it was reported that the Steelers want to 'reward' him with the right kind of bonus $, etc, I don't think he'll be rewarded like Haynesworth was....
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                            • feltdizz
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                              • May 2008
                              • 27531

                              #15
                              Re: Third proposal between Steelers, Harrison

                              Troy's contract was the highest for a safety for a month then the Redskins drafted Landry from LSU and he became the highest paid safety.. as a rookie.

                              The market always goes up on players contracts.. I don't think Harrison deserves more then Haynesworth.. those numbers are crazy but JH's production is not a product of Woodley or Timmons' presence.. it's the other way around. You guys are lying to yourselves to try to make this contract negotiation feel better in your gut.

                              EVERYONE watched Harrison get close lined and held on damn near every play...
                              The young guys have talent but they are running free because of Harrison, not the other way around.

                              The guy is young 30 and I do not want him bitter or playing for peanuts...
                              I'll say it again, if Harrison is low balled or plays out his last year... what the hell does that say to Woodley and Timmons?

                              I think we get a deal done.. I will say I'm not a fan of Harrisons agent but hey... you gotta do what you gotta do... we all watched last year and know what Harrison means to this D.
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