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  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 26636

    If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

    If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is? Ranking Roethlisberger Against the NFL

    by Nick Signorelli
    Can Ben Roethlisberger be considered an elite quarterback?

    As described in an article by fellow columnist Ray Jag (which can be found right here), Webster's says, selected as the best, an elect circle.

    We are going to take a look at each of the 31 other teams in the NFL and see who would be considered elite.

    AFC East

    NY Jets

    There is NO QUESTION that the J-E-T-S would LOVE to have B-E-N on their roster. Now that Favre has retired, the QBs on the Jets roster have a total of eight games started. That is exactly how many playoff victories Big Ben has.

    Buffalo Bills

    Had the Bills thought Ben would be elite, they could have traded up to draft him. Instead they drafted J.P. Losman. Guess they missed the boat.

    New England Patriots

    Brady is HOF already. New England can already say they have one of the elite.

    Miami Dolphins

    Sure, Chad Pennington is good, but Bill Parcells himself has said that he wants Chad to take more chances. In a straight up trade, Parcells would trade Pennington and a first for Big Ben.

    AFC West

    Oakland Raiders

    One of the teams that COULD have drafted Ben. Instead, they chose Robert Gallery—a decision that has set the Raiders back five years.

    Kansas City Chiefs

    With a revolving door at the QB position, none of the QBs on the roster are good enough to even be a backup in Pittsburgh.

    Denver Broncos

    Jay Cutler is a good QB working his way to elite. He has good numbers but can't seem to get the team to the playoffs.

    San Diego Chargers

    If you ask anyone in the San Diego front office, they will tell you they made the right choice. Philip Rivers has good numbers but is the only one of the Big Three from the draft class without a ring.

    AFC South

    Tennessee Titans

    Kerry Collins is good but old. Vince Young is a head case. You can't tell me that they wouldn't trade BOTH of them for Big Ben.

    Houston Texans

    Ben would have been a good fit. Instead they chose Dunta Robinson the pick before Ben. Texans QBs have been sacked almost as much as Ben has; they just can't get the W's.

    Jacksonville Jaguars

    David Garrard is a long way from his two-INT year two years ago. Jack Del Rio would kill to get Leftwich back, let alone Ben.

    Indianapolis Colts

    Yes, Manning's numbers are amazing. He won't have the stigma of never winning a Super Bowl like Dan Marino. But Manning is 32 and nearing the end of his career.

    AFC North

    Cincinnati Bengals

    Cincy is set with Carson Palmer—though Palmer has as many playoff wins as the Detroit Lions this decade. Not really a competition.

    Cleveland Browns

    Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn? Though Quinn has a chance to be a decent QB, they are still undecided on who is going to be the starter next year.

    Baltimore Ravens

    Baltimore has drafted someone they think will be the next Big Ben, Joe "Cool" Flacco. This shows how much they think of Big Ben and his accomplishments.
    NFC

    NFC North

    Detroit Lions

    Oh, the QB issues in Detroit! Detroit has no one on the roster that could play in Canada. Yeah, they would take Ben.

    Chicago Bears

    Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton are both career backups. Ben would make the Bears legit Super Bowl contenders immediately.

    Minnesota Vikings

    Again, legit Super Bowl contenders with Ben.

    Green Bay Packers

    The decision to let Brett Favre leave last year would have been much easier with Ben on the roster. Aaron Rodgers played great until he got his contract extension.

    NFC South

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    When Jeff Garcia is your best option, and he may not even be back, you need someone. They would kill for Ben.

    Atlanta Falcons

    Matt Ryan did a great job in his rookie season. Atlanta is happy with him. But even as good as he has done, he is not as good as Ben.

    Carolina Panthers

    Jake Delhomme is a good QB, but fell apart in the playoffs. Ben has proved he can handle the pressure.

    New Orleans Saints

    Drew Brees is a great QB. He puts up great numbers everywhere he needs to except the win column.

    NFC West

    Arizona Cardinals

    Kurt Warner is old, and Matt Leinart was never good enough to win the job from him.

    Seattle Seahawks

    Matt Hasselbeck is good, but like Warner is getting old. Seneca Wallace is not the long-term answer.

    St. Louis Rams

    Rumor has it that Marc Bulger may be gone, and there is no one else on the roster (Trent Green included) that can be the QB of the future.

    San Francisco 49ers

    San Francisco will probably draft Mark Sanchez from USC in the draft this year. Enough said.

    NFC East

    Dallas Cowboys

    Cowboys fans think Tony Romo is the greatest QB in the NFL. Far from it. The Boys haven't won a playoff game in 11 years. That wouldn't be the case if Ben had a star on his helmet.

    NY Giants

    Eli is a good QB, but not as good as Ben. Want to argue that? Look at the numbers. Very similar to Ben. Ben has two rings to Eli's one.

    Philadelphia Eagles

    Donovan McNabb is great, but getting old. Kevin Kolb is their QB of the future. Ben is the QB of now.

    Washington Redskins

    Jason Campbell is good, but another one that can't win in the playoffs. I'm actually surprised Daniel Snyder hasn't offered the Steelers 10 first day picks for Ben.

    Of all the quarterbacks in the league, only Peyton Manning and Tom Brady can compare to Ben. Sure, some QBs have better numbers. But if you look at what counts—wins and Super Bowls—the ONLY QB that is in Ben's class would be Tom Brady.

    If THAT isn't elite, I don't know what is.


    The best line:
    Kansas City
    "With a revolving door at the QB position, none of the QBs on the roster are good enough to even be a backup in Pittsburgh."

    ....sorry Hardliner but it did make me chuckle.
  • mshifko
    Starter
    • May 2008
    • 686

    #2
    Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

    ben has always been elite in my eyes, some used to think he was a game manager, some used to think he could only win if he threw the ball under 25 times, whatever let that go in one ear and out the other...big ben is a 2x champ and deserves all the accolades...
    "The standard is the standard" Mike Tomlin

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    • Djfan
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 5184

      #3
      Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

      Cincy is set with Carson Palmer—though Palmer has as many playoff wins as the Detroit Lions this decade. Not really a competition.
      I think I woke Mrs. Fan up laughing at this statement!!

      I am going to put words into Ben's mouth: "I don't care where you rank me, or who you think is better. I have two rings now and at least two more to come."

      That is how I feel about it, Ben!
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      • Uncle Rico

        #4
        Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

        Since we live in an era of fantasy football and Madden a lot of these dumbasses out there only look at statistics to determine who is good and who sucks. In Ben's case the guy just MAKES PLAYS and WINS GAMES and that's all he ever has to do to be an elite NFL QB in my book.

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        • Oviedo
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 23824

          #5
          Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

          The moniker of "elite" is meaningless, result are all that accounts.

          In the era of 24/7 media coverage and fantasy football clowns elite for a QB is really just:

          1. Lots of stats in terms of TDs and passing yards
          2. Passing the ball 40+ times per game so that ESPN and the NFL Netowrk have lots of raw footage for their "news Mcnuggets" segments.

          Ben will never be considered "elite" because he does not get the pretty "style points" a lot of other QBs like Manning and Brady get.

          That is why every off season is filled with Steelers bashing articles and "analysis" about the deficiencies of the Steelers. They cannot reconcile the success of team when they do not produce the stats that the typically uneducated "drive by media" needs to meet the demands of their editors for 24 hour sports print for the internet. It is easy for a lazy so-called journalist to just focus on stats for background and it feeds the fantasy football crowd with the info they need to play their little games.
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • papillon
            Legend
            • Mar 2008
            • 11340

            #6
            Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

            Originally posted by Oviedo
            The moniker of "elite" is meaningless, result are all that accounts.

            In the era of 24/7 media coverage and fantasy football clowns elite for a QB is really just:

            1. Lots of stats in terms of TDs and passing yards
            2. Passing the ball 40+ times per game so that ESPN and the NFL Netowrk have lots of raw footage for their "news Mcnuggets" segments.

            Ben will never be considered "elite" because he does not get the pretty "style points" a lot of other QBs like Manning and Brady get.

            That is why every off season is filled with Steelers bashing articles and "analysis" about the deficiencies of the Steelers. They cannot reconcile the success of team when they do not produce the stats that the typically uneducated "drive by media" needs to meet the demands of their editors for 24 hour sports print for the internet. It is easy for a lazy so-called journalist to just focus on stats for background and it feeds the fantasy football crowd with the info they need to play their little games.
            Ben plays the way Mike Tomlin described the Dallas win this year. "That was a beautiful game. You can't get hung up on style points, the Steelers showed their mettle today."

            That's Ben to a "T", he plays a beautiful game, his style points will always be less than Manning, Brady, Palmer, etc, but, he always shows mettle and wins games. This is fine by me and it makes watching Steeler football exciting, because, you never know what might happen late in a game.

            Pappy
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            1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
            3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
            3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
            4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
            5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
            7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27532

              #7
              Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

              fans of other QB's can brag about how pretty their QB's look when they lose games all day long....

              I have read a ton of Romo fans posting his 4th quarter ratings and such...
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • RuthlessBurgher
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 33208

                #8
                Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

                Originally posted by feltdizz
                fans of other QB's can brag about how pretty their QB's look when they lose games all day long....

                I have read a ton of Romo fans posting his 4th quarter ratings and such...
                The only 4th quarter rating that matters is if your team has more points than the other team at the end of the 4th quarter.
                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #9
                  Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

                  Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                  Originally posted by feltdizz
                  fans of other QB's can brag about how pretty their QB's look when they lose games all day long....

                  I have read a ton of Romo fans posting his 4th quarter ratings and such...
                  The only 4th quarter rating that matters is if your team has more points than the other team at the end of the 4th quarter.
                  That would be the "Roethlisberger stat"
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • us_steelinfrance
                    Rookie
                    • May 2008
                    • 39

                    #10
                    Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

                    Originally posted by papillon
                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    The moniker of "elite" is meaningless, result are all that accounts.

                    In the era of 24/7 media coverage and fantasy football clowns elite for a QB is really just:

                    1. Lots of stats in terms of TDs and passing yards
                    2. Passing the ball 40+ times per game so that ESPN and the NFL Netowrk have lots of raw footage for their "news Mcnuggets" segments.

                    Ben will never be considered "elite" because he does not get the pretty "style points" a lot of other QBs like Manning and Brady get.

                    That is why every off season is filled with Steelers bashing articles and "analysis" about the deficiencies of the Steelers. They cannot reconcile the success of team when they do not produce the stats that the typically uneducated "drive by media" needs to meet the demands of their editors for 24 hour sports print for the internet. It is easy for a lazy so-called journalist to just focus on stats for background and it feeds the fantasy football crowd with the info they need to play their little games.
                    Ben plays the way Mike Tomlin described the Dallas win this year. "That was a beautiful game. You can't get hung up on style points, the Steelers showed their mettle today."

                    That's Ben to a "T", he plays a beautiful game, his style points will always be less than Manning, Brady, Palmer, etc, but, he always shows mettle and wins games. This is fine by me and it makes watching Steeler football exciting, because, you never know what might happen late in a game.

                    Pappy
                    That is so true. You know, I saw strangely calm when the Cards scored their final TD. I figured the game wasn't over until the clock showed zero and the Steelers (mainly Ben) have shown they know how to pull out wins. Come to think of it, I wasn't stressing when the Cards looked like they were going to score right before the half either. It was like I knew the D would come up big.

                    I love Steeler football!!

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                    • Oviedo
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 23824

                      #11
                      Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

                      Originally posted by us_steelinfrance
                      Originally posted by papillon
                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      The moniker of "elite" is meaningless, result are all that accounts.

                      In the era of 24/7 media coverage and fantasy football clowns elite for a QB is really just:

                      1. Lots of stats in terms of TDs and passing yards
                      2. Passing the ball 40+ times per game so that ESPN and the NFL Netowrk have lots of raw footage for their "news Mcnuggets" segments.

                      Ben will never be considered "elite" because he does not get the pretty "style points" a lot of other QBs like Manning and Brady get.

                      That is why every off season is filled with Steelers bashing articles and "analysis" about the deficiencies of the Steelers. They cannot reconcile the success of team when they do not produce the stats that the typically uneducated "drive by media" needs to meet the demands of their editors for 24 hour sports print for the internet. It is easy for a lazy so-called journalist to just focus on stats for background and it feeds the fantasy football crowd with the info they need to play their little games.
                      Ben plays the way Mike Tomlin described the Dallas win this year. "That was a beautiful game. You can't get hung up on style points, the Steelers showed their mettle today."

                      That's Ben to a "T", he plays a beautiful game, his style points will always be less than Manning, Brady, Palmer, etc, but, he always shows mettle and wins games. This is fine by me and it makes watching Steeler football exciting, because, you never know what might happen late in a game.

                      Pappy
                      That is so true. You know, I saw strangely calm when the Cards scored their final TD. I figured the game wasn't over until the clock showed zero and the Steelers (mainly Ben) have shown they know how to pull out wins. Come to think of it, I wasn't stressing when the Cards looked like they were going to score right before the half either. It was like I knew the D would come up big.

                      I love Steeler football!!
                      I had the same feeling. I looked at the time and told everyone watching at the house it was "Big Ben time." It is almost like they are so confident they orchestrate this stuff to "torture" us fans
                      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27532

                        #12
                        Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

                        I think every Steeler fan knew what was going to happen at the end of the SB after the Cards scored. We have seen this happen for 5 years now... however the casual NFL fan had not... so they were left in awe... while we were quiet yet confident.
                        Steelers 27
                        Rats 16

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                        • us_steelinfrance
                          Rookie
                          • May 2008
                          • 39

                          #13
                          Re: If Big Ben Isn't Elite, Who Is?

                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Originally posted by us_steelinfrance
                          Originally posted by papillon
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          The moniker of "elite" is meaningless, result are all that accounts.

                          In the era of 24/7 media coverage and fantasy football clowns elite for a QB is really just:

                          1. Lots of stats in terms of TDs and passing yards
                          2. Passing the ball 40+ times per game so that ESPN and the NFL Netowrk have lots of raw footage for their "news Mcnuggets" segments.

                          Ben will never be considered "elite" because he does not get the pretty "style points" a lot of other QBs like Manning and Brady get.

                          That is why every off season is filled with Steelers bashing articles and "analysis" about the deficiencies of the Steelers. They cannot reconcile the success of team when they do not produce the stats that the typically uneducated "drive by media" needs to meet the demands of their editors for 24 hour sports print for the internet. It is easy for a lazy so-called journalist to just focus on stats for background and it feeds the fantasy football crowd with the info they need to play their little games.
                          Ben plays the way Mike Tomlin described the Dallas win this year. "That was a beautiful game. You can't get hung up on style points, the Steelers showed their mettle today."

                          That's Ben to a "T", he plays a beautiful game, his style points will always be less than Manning, Brady, Palmer, etc, but, he always shows mettle and wins games. This is fine by me and it makes watching Steeler football exciting, because, you never know what might happen late in a game.

                          Pappy
                          That is so true. You know, I saw strangely calm when the Cards scored their final TD. I figured the game wasn't over until the clock showed zero and the Steelers (mainly Ben) have shown they know how to pull out wins. Come to think of it, I wasn't stressing when the Cards looked like they were going to score right before the half either. It was like I knew the D would come up big.

                          I love Steeler football!!
                          I had the same feeling. I looked at the time and told everyone watching at the house it was "Big Ben time." It is almost like they are so confident they orchestrate this stuff to "torture" us fans
                          This is how they keep fans watching to the end (not that I wouldn't have anyway).

                          Now, I love me a shutout (see Christmas Eve Browns game) but I have to admit it's more exciting to watch a close game and pull out a victory in the fourth.

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